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Malaysia Airlines tragedies

I think that the reporter jumped the gun on sidescan sonar.

But, if it's buried in that ridge or laying in the fault line, then that may be out.

PS - 5 search aircraft have reported seeing objects in the new search area. Again, have to wait for the ships to see.
 
Technology hindered, helped search for Flight 370

And even if we find it:

In the case of Flight 370, there's a problem. The cockpit voice recorders only save the last two hours of conversations. The plane flew for nearly seven hours after the transponder stopped emitting a signal. So, any cockpit conversation or noises from when the plane initially went off course were likely recorded over.

Answers my first question:

If a plane is 7 miles up in the air or flying over the ocean, the phone won't be able to connect with towers on land.
 
The Youtube account apparently has been deleted for the first vid !! spooky..
Could have been a copyright thing? :dontknow:

Anyway, it looks like he's been on a few shows with that.

Here's a different one, but same overall message -

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html?/video/bestoftv/2014/03/26/pmt-david-soucie.cnn

If that fails, Google for -

CNN David Soucie partial ping

PS - I think he answered about battery life and temperature in the second video.

I'll try to find the actual specs for those batteries and let you know.
 
They'll find no end of flotsam and jetsam...

Australians say latest objects need to be checked

"The objects cannot be verified or discounted as being from MH370 until they are relocated and recovered by ships," the authority said in a statement. "It is not known how much flotsam, such as from fishing activities, is ordinarily there. At least one distinctive fishing object has been identified."
 
Could have been a copyright thing? :dontknow:

Anyway, it looks like he's been on a few shows with that.

Here's a different one, but same overall message -

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

If that fails, Google for -

CNN David Soucie partial ping

PS - I think he answered about battery life and temperature in the second video.

I'll try to find the actual specs for those batteries and let you know.
Cheers Re. bats!

His comment right at the beginning and end was very interesting about the SatComs attena getting info directly from the engines and not having to go via ACARS. So depending on how well that worked on this flight does this mean when the plane first made that left turn there was no emergency as such!
And why didn't SatComs send a last full update when the Engines ran out of fuel!
That to me could mean it was under pilot control with no emergency message from the engines could that mean it was flown into the ocean just before running out of fuel!
Of course that's all guesswork. Hopefully they'll get some hands on evidence soon.
 
Cheers Re. bats!

His comment right at the beginning and end was very interesting about the SatComs attena getting info directly from the engines and not having to go via ACARS. So depending on how well that worked on this flight does this mean when the plane first made that left turn there was no emergency as such!
And why didn't SatComs send a last full update when the Engines ran out of fuel!
That to me could mean it was under pilot control with no emergency message from the engines could that mean it was flown into the ocean just before running out of fuel!
Of course that's all guesswork. Hopefully they'll get some hands on evidence soon.

Not really on the emergency turn, it's a bit of sensationalizing.

ACARS is supposed to send data periodically and with any major altitude change - takeoff and landing were the intended uses.

If the altitude change is associated with an emergency, then you'll get a slice of that, but it's not the intended purpose so even an emergency course change won't trigger an ACARS broadcast update.

Why was there no "out of fuel" broadcast? Rather than zero in on that, I think that it's really more part of - why were there no proper transmissions from this plane, pilot or automated? That's the $64 question really.

I think that the problem I have with interviews like this and others is the venue.

Don't have David Soucie talk to a reporter. Have a reporter manage to put him with an Inmarsat representative and someone from Rolls Royce and from Boeing. Then we could have heard either, "Great idea, Dave," or, "Doesn't work that way, Dave."

As it is, I don't know how to tell if what he's said is baloney or the real deal.

How does he know if the last partial ping was used by Inmarsat or not? I haven't seen the exact details released to anyone outside the investigators except to China.

And I get suspicious when he goes along with a talking head despite non-realities being said. That happened in the video that disappeared.

And SatCom is just satellite communications, meaning, power subsystem, SatCom antenna and message fusion from any number of systems.

You could say on a flight with passenger internet access that SatCom gets messages directly from your phone's wifi - and while no one would argue, it wouldn't be true. Other subsystems would be involved.

So, I don't know what "SatCom gets data directly from the engines" even means. Because it's missing details, that statement could have meant different things.
 
Black box detector to join Malaysian jet search

A warship with an aircraft black box detector was set to depart Australia on Sunday to search for the missing Malaysian jetliner, a day after ships plucked objects from the Indian Ocean to determine whether they were related to the missing plane. None were confirmed to be from the plane, leaving searchers with no sign of the jet three weeks after it disappeared.

Methinks it's running late...
 
Wow. The Ocean Shield is a warship now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADV_Ocean_Shield

"Australian Defence Vessel (ADV) Ocean Shield is a ship of the Royal Australian Navy (RAN). Ordered by DOF Subsea as the Offshore Support Vessel MSV Skandi Bergen, the ship was laid down by STX OSV. During construction, the vessel was sold to the RAN in March 2012. Renamed Ocean Shield, the ship entered service in June 2012 as a civilian-crewed humanitarian and disaster relief vessel, operating in support of the RAN's amphibious warfare."

I have a picture of it posted a day back or so.

Warship. Not really.
 
It is about time they looked for the flight recorders. The recorders' transponder batteries are running out soon. I thought they should have started looking for them days ago once they were able to approximate the location of the plane using satellite pings.
 
Here’s How They’ll Piece Together What Happened to Flight MH370

The southern Indian Ocean is a vast, desolate and hostile place churned by relentless currents and vicious storms. It is rarely traversed by air or sea, and anything lost there may never be found. That includes Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

...

The three primary goals of any aviation accident inquiry are determining what happened, how it happened, and why it happened. Until the first question is answered, little headway is made on the others. If investigators don’t have wreckage and conclusive data, they can do little more than make educated guesses.
 
Quality of reports is really sliding fast. The Telegraph just said that it would be great if the black box were on the Broken Ridge because it's a huge, flat, featureless plateau. Mash up of reports from the old and new search areas, I really believe that the author had no idea that they were different.

And a lot of recycling. Not even the Crash News Network seems to have anything to say.

I expect the inevitable public burnout or editorial need for newness has caught up with the story and so we're going to see less coverage.

Meanwhile the coverage we did get never asked the right questions.

Last report I trusted said that the pinger locator could be towed at 1.5 knots. Ten days left, 24 hours, convert to statute miles, assume about a 10 mile side-to-side coverage (and that's being way generous) - and the math says - time enough to listen to 4140 square miles of floor under ideal sailing conditions.

I don't why, but I expected the obvious questions to arise over the new search area.

They didn't, so here's what I think that are.

We had two probable tracks. In this thread somewhere I posted the AMSA big picture of them. The west-most was the track straight back from the South China Sea. The east-most, shorter one, was the track back from the Malacca Straight.

Officials cautioned all along that the Malacca Straight radar data were never confirmed to the MH370.

The new search area, we were told, reexamined the radar data from the Malacca Straight, and was chosen by adjusting speed and fuel.

I don't think that the news was a better speed calculation.

I think it was there in plain sight - with the (somehow) new examination of the radar data, international SAR stopped on dime and moved to the track from the Malacca Straight.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think I am - did anyone here see any reports before that saying the Malacca Straight radar contacts were confirmed to MH370? I sure didn't.

It was instantly obvious when they moved the search area that they believed for a certain fact that the Malacca Straight contacts were from MH370.

After weeks of everyone agreeing that everyone involved had seen all of the radar data and could not confirm that.

I said repeatedly that I don't think that they know and they're telling us even less.

But that discrepancy is glaring.

With all of the "experts" and "inside sources" busy being quoted for their theories, where are the answers to these questions -

Regarding confirmation of the Malacca Straight radar contacts to MH370, what do you know, how did you find out, when did you find out, who did you tell, and what did they say?

That's the storm I was referring to when I first discussed the search area change.

Where is it?
 
Quality of reports is really sliding fast. The Telegraph just said that it would be great if the black box were on the Broken Ridge because it's a huge, flat, featureless plateau. Mash up of reports from the old and new search areas, I really believe that the author had no idea that they were different.

And a lot of recycling. Not even the Crash News Network seems to have anything to say.

I expect the inevitable public burnout or editorial need for newness has caught up with the story and so we're going to see less coverage.

Meanwhile the coverage we did get never asked the right questions.

Last report I trusted said that the pinger locator could be towed at 1.5 knots. Ten days left, 24 hours, convert to statute miles, assume about a 10 mile side-to-side coverage (and that's being way generous) - and the math says - time enough to listen to 4140 square miles of floor under ideal sailing conditions.

I don't why, but I expected the obvious questions to arise over the new search area.

They didn't, so here's what I think that are.

We had two probable tracks. In this thread somewhere I posted the AMSA big picture of them. The west-most was the track straight back from the South China Sea. The east-most, shorter one, was the track back from the Malacca Straight.

Officials cautioned all along that the Malacca Straight radar data were never confirmed to the MH370.

The new search area, we were told, reexamined the radar data from the Malacca Straight, and was chosen by adjusting speed and fuel.

I don't think that the news was a better speed calculation.

I think it was there in plain sight - with the (somehow) new examination of the radar data, international SAR stopped on dime and moved to the track from the Malacca Straight.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think I am - did anyone here see any reports before that saying the Malacca Straight radar contacts were confirmed to MH370? I sure didn't.

It was instantly obvious when they moved the search area that they believed for a certain fact that the Malacca Straight contacts were from MH370.

After weeks of everyone agreeing that everyone involved had seen all of the radar data and could not confirm that.

I said repeatedly that I don't think that they know and they're telling us even less.

But that discrepancy is glaring.

With all of the "experts" and "inside sources" busy being quoted for their theories, where are the answers to these questions -

Regarding confirmation of the Malacca Straight radar contacts to MH370, what do you know, how did you find out, when did you find out, who did you tell, and what did they say?

That's the storm I was referring to when I first discussed the search area change.

Where is it?
This wiki page is a pretty good almost day by day step by step list of events for MH370.
It makes several mentions of the Malacca Straight and the first appears to say the plane was reported to have been tracked. Check 62 on the list of entries.
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This brings you here;
Malaysia military source says missing jet veered to west | Reuters

And so on, but the time line for the other news story isn't listed so don't know if the contradiction from Tengku Sariffuddin Tengku Ahmad was stated before after that!
Malaysia's Berita Harian newspaper quoted Air Force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the plane was last detected at 2:40 a.m. by military radar near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca. It was flying about 1,000 meters (3,280 feet) lower than its previous altitude, he was quoted as saying.
That story seem to circle back here with reference to Reuters.
Berita Harian | TUDM nafi kesan pesawat di ruang udara Selat Melaka
I'm pretty sure the headline didn't mean how it could possibly be implied! But is there even a small chance external force could have been involved while my mind wonders off!

While I'm here, I'm not sure if they have moved all assets to the new search area further North, but my feeling on this is that I hope they left at least one ship searching for debris. If they're refining distance on fuel then has the exact amout of remaining fuel and exactly how much MH370 was topped up with been 100% confirmed.

And if the plane was high at the point of running dry and was under control how far could a very good pilot make it glide further South from 35,000 ft?
Just my brain running in overdrive perhaps. I would be interested in seeing if there was any data on the flight simulator that suggested any engine off gliding was tried out!

BTW; why can't the pinger locator be towed better than 1.5 knots?
This would seem to suggest 1 to 5 knots depending on depth, so I assume they will speed up to the max where the ocean floor is higher!
https://www.supsalv.org/00c2_tpl.asp?destPage=00c2

Is it [FONT=&quot]Malacca Straight or [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Malacca Strait. I only spotted that after a search as I make more typo's than I would like to mention :)[/FONT]
 
It's Malacca Strait and I was swyping wrong.

Yeah, I'm aware of all of the early prattle about the radar.

And the quotes that were denied as ever having been said.

There were scads of allegations that the radar contacts belonged to MH370.

Most of the early and sustaining theories of what went wrong are based on them.

But - the government, and Daud, insisted that he was misquoted (I posted about that) and then after the investigators reviewed, those contacts were not confirmed as belonging to MH370.

The ref 62 on Wikipedia.

And the timeline on the radar statements has been pretty clear - it's in this thread.

Regardless, the official word repeated all along has been that no confirmation occurred.

But that's getting lost in the fact that the press made allegations before, so it's OK, or who knows.

I'll try again -

1. Bunch of BS is reported about radar.

2. Denials.

3. Independent and open review of Malaysian radar. Malaysia insisting that they turned everything over - US participating in the review.

4. Review established that some contacts occurred.

5. The contacts were at specific times, not matching the BS times.

6. Review was specific - no way to confirm the contacts were MH370.

7. A day later, a major news outlet reposted the old BS story, I issued a jackass award and by the end of the day, everyone was back to the old story.

8. Malaysia brings it up again - no, the contacts were not confirmed and could not be confirmed, an independent review of the data has established that.

9. Change search area, give fuel as excuse. Say that it came from further independent review. Never explain what happened to the independent review that said that the radar data were insufficient.

I'm sorry but you just did what the press evidently did - "oh yeah, the whole Malacca Strait angle, it's been done. It's there, who knows, now it was true."

No. It really hasn't.

And the last thing that anyone who cares about the truth of what just happened in the investigation wants to do is be complacent because of the early stories.

Anyway. I'm sorry. I've done my best to explain the problem. I've failed.

As for the TPL, I must have had a bad mental image of the number.

Multiply my area by 3, get a larger but still very small area possible.
 
Is "Malacca" in Swype's dictionary? When I typed it on the Samsung keyboard it was suggesting "Malaga", but then "Swype" wasn't in the Samsung dictionary either.
 
Is "Malacca" in Swype's dictionary? When I typed it on the Samsung keyboard it was suggesting "Malaga", but then "Swype" wasn't in the Samsung dictionary either.

No idea.

I swipe with SwiftKey, it learns spelling. The last I checked, Sammy's swiping keyboard was made by SwiftKey.
 
Renamed Ocean Shield, the ship entered service in June 2012 as a civilian-crewed humanitarian and disaster relief vessel, operating in support of the RAN's amphibious warfare."

I have a picture of it posted a day back or so.

Warship. Not really.
They have ambulances in wars. ;)
 
MH370′s last words were not ‘all right, good night’ – and the search continues

The most pertinent point seems to be that the pilot’s final words were not “all right, good night” — they were actually a much more normal-sounding “good night Malaysian three seven zero.”

...

There appear to be two likely options. The most pertinent point still seems to be that the plane’s ACARS (automated reporting system) was manually disabled. This would indicate that the plane was either hijacked, or that the ACARS had to be disabled for some other reason (a fire). It’s possible that there was some kind of disaster on-board, killing or disabling everyone, and the plane continued on auto-pilot until it ran out of fuel. It’s also possible that the plane was hijacked (perhaps by a passenger or one of the pilots), and they continued to fly the plane on some kind of suicide mission.
 
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