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Mosque Being Built 2 Blocks Away From Ground Zero... What Do You Think?

Stinky Stinky said:
Hmm,

Look mpw dude,

I think there are only a few reasons they wud want to build a mosque near the 9/11 site dude, to humiliate those that lost their lives on 9/11 or something like that... they are trying to send out a message....a message i don't like at all...

Why do it? I mean come on... 9/11 was not good at all... this doesn't improve things at alll...it does not help the situation dude... if you want to be friends with some1 forgive them.... don't go rub it in their face. That's not cool at all dude,

Keep well dude

Stinks
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Manhattan has a huge Muslim community
You want them to have to worship an hour away from where they live?
 
shadowninty said:
Manhattan has a huge Muslim community
You want them to have to worship an hour away from where they live?
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Howzit Shadowninty boetjie! (afrikaans for "brother" ;) ),

Yes u have a good argument there / here dude...but sadly i don't think that is why they want to build it at that exact location for... i think it is like a type of revenge or humiliation type of thing buddy,

It is not fair to those that have to live with the death of those of 9/11, but yes it is not fair for those that need to travel further to get to a mosque!

Keep well boet... good to hear from u again dude :)
 
Timothy Mcveigh was christian and killed 168 people in a bombing. Christian's now can't build a church within 2 blocks of the Federal Building bomb site in Oklahoma?
 
Hmm okay good points every1 maybe i was wrong...

Anywayz maybe now that i think about it maybe it shud be alllowed to be built there...

Hmm ja i think so... :) maybe iu shud research this more? dunno...
 
LickTheEnvelope said:
Timothy Mcveigh was christian and killed 168 people in a bombing. Christian's now can't build a church within 2 blocks of the Federal Building bomb site in Oklahoma?
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Slightly different in that mcveigh didn't do it to get virgins and gold in the afterlife. It amounts to common decency. The same reason you don't protest at funerals. Legally you have the right but are you seriously that kinda jerk? And KNOWING a percentage of the population thinks poorly about this and then STILL pushing the issue....what does that say of the man/organization/religion that whats the mosque.
 
mpw said:
What about the two they've given, and which seem entirely reasonable; it's their neighborhood & they want specifically to try and bring the different communities within their neighborhood community together?
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Since it's become fairly obvious that it's tearing the community apart... and any reasonable person who wants to accomplish a particular goal, will change what they are doing if they are failing to accomplish said goal... that being their true goal doesn't really make sense anymore.
 
Crude said:
Slightly different in that mcveigh didn't do it to get virgins and gold in the afterlife. It amounts to common decency. The same reason you don't protest at funerals. Legally you have the right but are you seriously that kinda jerk? And KNOWING a percentage of the population thinks poorly about this and then STILL pushing the issue....what does that say of the man/organization/religion that whats the mosque.
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I guess you domnt realise that Al Queda DO NOT represent Muslims

It doesnt matter what I say your bigoted views will likely remain unless sth dramatic happens to you.
 
Crude said:
Slightly different in that mcveigh didn't do it to get virgins and gold in the afterlife. It amounts to common decency. The same reason you don't protest at funerals. Legally you have the right but are you seriously that kinda jerk? And KNOWING a percentage of the population thinks poorly about this and then STILL pushing the issue....what does that say of the man/organization/religion that whats the mosque.
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See I am more interested in what they are preeching than the optics of building a Mosque. There's different sects of Islam and the majority preech peace just as much as most christian sects.

They could be beneficial to the community.
 
mpw said:
Can't you see how closed-minded and prejudiced that argument is?

The idea of building a community centre is not what's tearing the community apart, it's the prejudice and ignorance of those opposing an attempt to do something positive for the community as a whole, that is the problem.
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I didn't say that building the mosque was the cause. However, it IS the focal point.

The community center is NOT bringing the community together. The community center is the center of a raging storm that is tearing the community apart.

It is the fuel. If he really wanted to promote unity... he would cave.
 
mpw said:
Can't you see how closed-minded and prejudiced that argument is?
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I didn't realize that acknowledging that the community was being torn apart by this controversy that is being fueled by this community center was closed-minded and prejudiced.

It seems more like a fact to me.

Who knew.
 
I'm sure if it was a synagogue, temple, or church we wouldn't be bitchin so much right?Who's really stereotyping now?

And that invading the Middle East for what-we-thought-was-real-but-fake WMDs grinded their gears too, am I right? But the difference is they couldn't really do anything about it.
 
LickTheEnvelope said:
Timothy Mcveigh was christian and killed 168 people in a bombing. Christian's now can't build a church within 2 blocks of the Federal Building bomb site in Oklahoma?
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God, the tired old argument. Listen Sport . . . we were attacked by Muslim extremists, September 11, 2001. This was a hostile act by extremists that believe we all need to die. These asswipes are hell bent on our destruction.

Stop mentioning McVeigh because it IS NOT, NO WAY IN HELL, THE SAME THING.

Damn, We buy them books and they eat the pages.

Bob Maxey
 
Vinsanity93 said:
I'm sure if it was a synagogue, temple, or church we wouldn't be bitchin so much right?Who's really stereotyping now?

And that invading the Middle East for what-we-thought-was-real-but-fake WMDs grinded their gears too, am I right? But the difference is they couldn't really do anything about it.
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Get it through your head that worldwide, a huge percentage of those out to destroy us and our way of live are not Christians, Jews, or other Christian religions. They are Muslim extremists.

So stop bringing peaceful groups into some uneducated argument that compares those sane groups you mentioned to the few Muslim groups that truly need to be hunted and killed outright.

Bob Maxey
 
Bob Maxey said:
Get it through your head that worldwide, a huge percentage of those out to destroy us and our way of live are not Christians, Jews, or other Christian religions. They are Muslim extremists.

So stop bringing peaceful groups into some uneducated argument that compares those sane groups you mentioned to the few Muslim groups that truly need to be hunted and killed outright.

Bob Maxey
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(Sigh) How about you get it through your head that Muslims aren't the only ones who have killed a lot of people. If you think Christians (which I am) are so high and mighty that it's impossible for them to commit crimes then you obviously haven't been learning your history. How about you stop stereotyping people because of their religion, huh? You talking about uneducated sounds hypocritical.

And "sane groups?" LMFAO Yes, because it's so obvious that the Spanish Inquisition was done by a bunch of "sane" Christians and that the Adolf Hitler, who was an extreme Christian, was most definitely "sane."

And yea, just because you're Muslim means you're a terrorist, just because you're Asian means you're smart and have slanty eyes, just because you're black means you'll steal someone's shit, just because you're a Jew means you're a greedy mofo, just because you're Spanish automatically makes you able to mow lawns

The ignorance is this world :mad:. Sure I make fun of people's stereotypes but I wouldn't automatically assume that they would have/do it.
 
Bob Maxey said:
God, the tired old argument. Listen Sport . . . we were attacked by Muslim extremists, September 11, 2001. This was a hostile act by extremists that believe we all need to die. These asswipes are hell bent on our destruction.

Stop mentioning McVeigh because it IS NOT, NO WAY IN HELL, THE SAME THING.

Bob Maxey
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Please explain why Tim McVeigh and Mohammed Atta are not, at least in some ways, the same.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Get it through your head that worldwide, a huge percentage of those out to destroy us and our way of live are not Christians, Jews, or other Christian religions. They are Muslim extremists.

So stop bringing peaceful groups into some uneducated argument that compares those sane groups you mentioned to the few Muslim groups that truly need to be hunted and killed outright.

Bob Maxey
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Right and if Muslim 'Extremists" were building this Mosque I would not be happy either.
 
electric monk said:
Please explain why Tim McVeigh and Mohammed Atta are not, at least in some ways, the same.
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McVeigh attacked a government struckture as retaliation for waco which is widely seen as an attack by our government on it's people. He was correct in holding our leaders responsible for their actions but he did it in the most misguided way possible and in the process killed a few hundred people. Summary he did it for political reasons with a hint of being a psychopath.

His attack was on the establishment.

atta attacked civilians airlines and structures for religious reasons. His actions led the to death of ~3000 civilians and caused me personally to hate flying (what a PITA).
"check your weapon before you leave and long before you leave.

His attack was on human life.

"You must make your knife sharp and you must not discomfort your animal during the slaughter" atta

Now lets stop comparing the two and move on.
 
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