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Network vision & LTE rollout

this is prolly the closest to truth I can quote without getting myself into trouble ..none of the below is official from sprint..or me... just found articles

funny thing is it's over a year old article

Sprint-Nextel giving up the iDEN network by 2014 - Charlotte Smartphones | Examiner.com


I can tell you they were very well aware of the spectrum auctions...and refused to pay those prices. Time will tell how that decision pans out.

They have so much in the works, and a very clear plan moving forward..the big question is will it work. SO many ifs.....


some more useful blurbs

"During the past three years, Sprint Nextel moved their transmitter frequencies to different places in the 800Mhz radio spectrum. This freed up spectrum for Public Safety."


"Next week, the Sprint Direct Connect, PTT network will start to move to CDMA network protocol. Sprint also plans to deploy CDMA 1X voice service in its 800 MHz spectrum and move CDMA traffic off its 1900 MHz spectrum. This will significantly increase throughput and reduce network congestion.

Sprint's 4G WiMAX high-speed network partners with Clearwire to cover the nation. Clearwire has had financially bad several years slowing their expansion. Analysts were also perplexed that Sprint isn't including Clearwire in its network revamp project because Sprint is a 54 percent owner of Clearwire.

This oversight started a spirited discussion with the financial analyst on Friday. They asked wouldn't it be cheaper to buy Clearwire and rebuild their system with LTE technology, rather than spending $10 billion to build Sprint's own LTE network? Sprint said they spend $1 billion a year in fees to Clearwire for WiMAX. Sprint executives’ answers did not satisfy the financial analyst and you can bet similar questions will continue in the future as Network Vision comes online."


"Part of the reason Sprint is stepping away from Clearwire is that Clearwire has chosen to install LTE TDD (time-division duplexing). TDD is used with IEEE 802.16 WiMAX radio switching protocol. Thus, Clearwire would not have to modify their radio signaling protocol.

Sprint is using LTE FDD because most cellular systems, including the UMTS/WCDMA Frequency Division Duplexing mode and the CDMA2000 system, already use it. Thus, Sprint will have a smoother transition between their LTE, CDMA EVDO, and 1X radio switching protocol devices. This will also lower the cost of manufacturing their dual-mode mobile devices.

Sprint says they will sell the (Clearwire) WiMAX devices through 2012. They also said they would support the WiMAX devices after 2012. This could be a way of leveraging Clearwire into selling off their 71 installed WiMAX locations. "


that article goes on to talk about the iphone and how it cost sprint to bring that on board. from what I understand sooooo much changed at that point.

anywhooo...that article is : http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...-real-4g-lte2c-wimax-slipping-into-limbo.aspx
 
I was out in downtown Houston tonight and never even saw it come on and I used my phone to take pictures all night. Guess I will check my prl and profile and try again tomorrow.
 
I was out in downtown Houston tonight and never even saw it come on and I used my phone to take pictures all night. Guess I will check my prl and profile and try again tomorrow.

It's been very spotty for me in the Dallas area. literally got it travelling one direction and not the other..on the same roads

great speeds when it was working though.


I guess we have to remember this is a soft launch. Switch on of 7-15..continued network enhancement through November/December

I want to say I read somewhere that completion would only be at about 10-20% as of the 15th
 
As the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... "barely coming to life" doesn't really acquit the decision to repeat the same organizational mistakes, does it?

Please elaborate on these organizational mistakes?

For crying out loud, I'm referring to the posts that I've read right here! You can scroll down; it won't kill you.

I'd still love to see some citations, not conjecture based on opinion.

:rolleyes: When are you going to stop beating your wife?

Huh?

If all it took was wishful thinking and a too little knowledge, we'd all be zillionaires. You apparently missed the obvious fact that all radios must still obey the laws of nature. It's all moot because SDR transceiver technology is still in the development stage, but if they went that way, they still have to work with conventional RF amplifiers, feed lines and antennas. Do you have a software defined antenna ready to go to market?

Have you not seen the lightning fast pace the mobile market has been moving? Especially in the hardware arena?


So you say. I don't know about Sprint's cash reserves, but the data I can find disputes your claim. If they're so flush, how come they're taking the partnership road after it failed so miserably with Clearwire?

What data is this? Sprint just invested another $1.6 billion into Clearwire, and they still have more. That's a lot of money.


Although you spin the loss of Nextel as somehow being a revenue source, the fact of the matter is that it works the opposite. When you lose customers, revenue goes down, not up.

Why would Sprint lose customers? The qChat PTT solution is working quite well, and my place of business has switched all 30 radios to it. It's getting very positive reviews from legacy Nextel customers as well, because of the new data capabilities of the newer CDMA based devices. When Sprint Direct Connect Now finally hits, PTT will be available on more handsets than ever.


That's beside the point. While you're obviously counting un-hatched eggs, Sprint's track record gives wise people good cause to be skeptical. I hope that Sprint makes a strong comeback, but I'm not going to bet on it.

Sprint's track record? You mean like first nationwide all digital network? First 3G network? First 4G network? Sprint had a handful of bad years sure, but that doesn't define them as a company. Sprint's been around for a long time, and believe it or not is a pretty big player in the grand scheme of things. For instance, their backbone infrastructure is excellent.

https://www.sprint.net/network_maps.php

You have been touting Sprint's little sliver of the completely full 1900MHz band as a panacea, but again the fact of the matter is that Sprint can't break the rules of nature. Sure they have spectrum. But the point is that nobody has enough 1900MHz spectrum to be able to offer 4G data rates and cellphone calls to enough people to make it profitable. There's simply not enough bandwidth to support it. That's why everybody else bought a lot of very expensive spectrum when the FCC auctioned it off over the last decade or so. They're all moving their data services to clear spectrum where they can provide big bandwidth on a grand scale because they can't do it on the 1900MHz band.

I'm sorry, but here you're flat out wrong. 1900Mhz can handle much more bandwidth than the recent 700mhz auctions. Now, tie that in with 800mhz for range, and 2.5ghz for peak capacity out doors, and it's the ultimate powerhouse of speed, coverage, and reliability.

With the exception of Oak Lawn, which is at least more than a stone's throw from a major interstate, it looks no better than previous rollouts. When I'm in the Northbrook / Deerfield / Glenview / Wheeling area next month, I'll see if my favorite Sprint store will lend me a LTE phone to see for myself. I'm not holding my breath, though.

LTE hasn't launched in the Chicago market yet.


And that's the base of my whole point. Sprint covers the areas where it gets a lot of business from less than mobile users, but has Swiss cheese coverage that makes their high speed data services impractical for people with cars, and/or who live and work in the suburbs and smaller cities. I live in Madison, and will be in Lake Zurich next year. Can you tell me truthfully that I'll see Sprint LTE where I need it? I don't think so!

As stated before, when Network vision is complete, not only will legacy coverage be greatly expanded, everywhere that currently has 3G EVDO will in fact have LTE coverage.

Great! When will the LTE airave be shipping? :D

I'm perfectly happy with Sprint's PCS service, at least now, after a lot of waiting for the EVDO rollout to become complete enough to be useful. But let's be real for a change. Sprint will be a PCS-only carrier for a very long time, except for a few select markets. The point is that's the same slow rollout that I'm so tired of. The point is that it's no longer acceptable for Sprint to leave its customers perpetually 5 years behind the curve.

Now that it's clear that Wi-Fi and other 802.11 isn't going to do come through for us, it's up to the cellphone providers. My next data dongle isn't going to be like the last one, "good enough for when there's no Ethernet". It's going to be good enough to use for my best home Internet connection if need be. And if Sprint hasn't gotten around to offering that in my neighborhood when others have, then they'll lose out and rightly so.

I'm not a Sprint fanboi; I'm a serious customer who expects service, not hype.

So far Sprint's LTE expansion has been nothing but on schedule, if not early. I suggest heading over to S4GRU.com if you want to see the time tables. AFAIK, the network vision project should be complete by late 2013. In the grand scheme of things, that's not long at all.

Cheers. ;)
 
Here's my speedtest :-)

~~ Sorry, my original post was done from Tapatalk, so apologize for the brevity. I'm in the Atlanta market and noticed the 4G icon Sunday morning after I saw the post on androidcentral. Then did an immediate speedtest, and that's what's posted. This was at home in Duluth, Ga.

At work this morning in Decatur, GA and I have a 3G icon and not great reception in my office.
 

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According to the sprint map my area is all lit up but still can't get a signal. Have shut phone on and off done the prl profile update. Please don't tell me I need to do a factory reset. I really don't want to set my phone up all over again.
 
Overall, this looks like a disappointing start. I have a VM Evo 3D that is on the Sprint/Clearwire WiMax network, and have been averaging better DL speeds than most of the Sprint LTE speedtests I have seen. Also, consider that fact that all of my posted WiMax speedtests were taken in the day, and in or near Chicago, which likely means I was sharing the tower with a large amount of other devices. When are these carriers going to learn that the network backhaul needs to be upgraded first, not the stupid "G" number... WiMax 1 has a max theoretical DL of 37mbps, so Sprint should have gotten their subscribers to around that point before they even considered upgrading to LTE. I could upgrade my WiFi network from 802.11B to G, then to N, and now to AC, but if I have a 6mbps DSL line feeding in, noting is going to happen...
 

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It's a little off-topic, so we ought not dwell too much on it, but yes, DISH is also after bandwidth, so it relates to competition in this area -

What Is Dish's Strategy With Wireless Broadband? - Forbes

Anyway, let's please limit that here, cheers, thanks.
I still think that mixed-use slice of spectrum will be used to expand their satellite services. That's by far the more plausible explanation. I don't see DISH making any noises like they intend to do LMR. Even if they did, what would they use as a backhaul?
 
According to the sprint map my area is all lit up but still can't get a signal. Have shut phone on and off done the prl profile update. Please don't tell me I need to do a factory reset. I really don't want to set my phone up all over again.
Based on the telltale clusters of ostensibly reduced service in wealthy neighborhoods that I've noticed, I'm inclined to believe that the map is mostly fictitious. They're coloring in large swaths, being overly optimistic, and don't correct it until enough people complain that they can't get that service where they live.

Chances are slim that they'd shortchange their best customers on purpose, and the most privileged are most likely to complain. Therefore those dots aren't tiny house-sized drop-outs, they're the customers who said "I don't get your [EVDO | WiMAX | LTE] service where I live!" That means that a lot more of that big orange area shouldn't be orange.
 
A dud...huh?
If you are lucky enough to be in one of the markets where the tower upgrades have been made (and have a LTE device), it should be all good. I've heard nothing but positive from people receiving a LTE signal so far (except maybe you?). For the rest (majority) of us, it's just a waiting game as to when it will arrive.
 
Based on the telltale clusters of ostensibly reduced service in wealthy neighborhoods that I've noticed, I'm inclined to believe that the map is mostly fictitious. They're coloring in large swaths, being overly optimistic, and don't correct it until enough people complain that they can't get that service where they live.

Chances are slim that they'd shortchange their best customers on purpose, and the most privileged are most likely to complain. Therefore those dots aren't tiny house-sized drop-outs, they're the customers who said "I don't get your [EVDO | WiMAX | LTE] service where I live!" That means that a lot more of that big orange area shouldn't be orange.

The coverage map clearly states LTE rolling out soon. I don't believe sprint has made any promises or guarantees

"Sprint 4G LTE
Sprint 4G LTE is available in select cities." Is exactly what the coverage map reads.

As others have posted...the LTE network is max 50% completed right now..build out will continue with launch cities being completed by the end of this year and more cities being added as they move forward.


I also have seen nothing to persuade me into a belief that the Sprint customer base is an elite group of wealthy individuals or what not... concentration is more likely to be based on population of current and prospect subscribers.
 
Yeah, dud. I'm in Atlanta and not once have I received a signal. Would like to have had this thread by itself to get more feedback on the actual launch. Most of what I have read shows people that are actually getting a signal, only get them briefly. If the 15th was the launch as stated by Sprint it was a terrible one.
 
I tried everything yesterday to get a little stupid 4G symbol to pop up on my phone. Reboots, PRL, Profile, you name it, nothin. I gotta bad feeling about this. I'm starting to get a WiMax feeling...you know that feeling when you pay an extra $10 a month for 2 years for something can hardly ever use because it SUCKS so bad?

Anyone have a similar experience? I read on another forum a guy with an S3 called angry to Sprint, they reported the 2 nearest towers to him were completed and LTE good, and he drove to them, held his phone up in the air and nada zilch.

What a bonehead move (Sprint) to announce an LTE launch, and then bungle it like this. No wonder you're number 3.:mad:
 
ok.. so now that Sprint LTE is live in 5 areas... but i am interested in Dallas, Ft Worth area, because that is where i live, work, and play.

please list
general area, phone
speeds for 3G (they say it should improve)
and LTE (if you got it) or Wimax
did speeds get better for you??

I am first:
NW arlington, OG evo rooted
3g: 350kb down 350kb up
4G: wimax.. today i can not get a signal. normal i get a weak one

not impressed at a all. was expecting a lot more! well at least something!
 
It was a soft launch and it will continue to grow.

Sprint was in no way deceiving about it....thus why you did not see a ton of marketing behind it.

Plenty of discussion on this in the Sprint carrier thread
 
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