SurrealOne
Android Expert
Sorry I did screw that quote up. It was me that was way off base.
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I think the reference is to the lead in that states -
SurrealOne
Android Expert
I'm not trying to give you a hard time just looking for anything about the 800Mghz going away from Sprint.
I did click the links and the best I can find is this
<LI id=date>1/18/2012 <LI id=title>Public Safety And Homeland Security Bureau Announces Region 39 (Tennessee) Public Safety Regional Planning Committees To Hold 700 MHz And 800 MHz NPSPAC Meetings. <LI id=document>Public Notice: Word | Acrobat
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Thanks, that's an interesting site.
I probably should have said before that I prefer to show authoritative sources of information; ones that can be believed every time. In a time when anyone can put up a website and make a claim, discerning between what's real and what's gossip is an important skill to have. I mean, People magazine is fun to read, but it's not something that a wise person would trust blindly. Scientific American maybe, but not a gossip rag. I hope that makes sense.
I know that the FCC website is dry and technical, but it is the real deal. If other sources can get the facts straight with easier to digest packaging, great.
Are we having simple semantics problems?
I think that I may have started it referring to the "iDEN band" as my too-often lazy shorthand style of speech, as a substitute for, "the 850 MHz band previously used by Sprint for its iDEN services offerings."
I am wondering if we all got all cross-wired from that point or something similar?
I think we all agree that Sprint will be operating on 800/850 MHz (ok, SD, now you got me doing it
:rofl: ) providing 1x Advanced 3G and, someday later, LTE.
Or is any of that in dispute?
I think that I may have started it referring to the "iDEN band" as my too-often lazy shorthand style of speech, as a substitute for, "the 850 MHz band previously used by Sprint for its iDEN services offerings."
I am wondering if we all got all cross-wired from that point or something similar?
I think we all agree that Sprint will be operating on 800/850 MHz (ok, SD, now you got me doing it
:rofl: ) providing 1x Advanced 3G and, someday later, LTE. Or is any of that in dispute?
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Sorry. You must understand that I'm a long-time radio and TV guy, and am very comfortable with FCC-speak. I wasn't being considerate of those who don't deal with that kind of language every day, but unfortunately that's the only reliable thing I have right now. I'll see if I can find something more readable.
SurrealOne
Android Expert
Maybe it's Me but I do not see where Sprint is losing the spectrum. But anyways I'm not smart enough to read the FCC website I'm going back to playboy for dumb guys like me that works well 
Now back to the Topic....How do I spell LTE and Speed test? Anybody have any new new LTE reports to report<<<<< did I just repete myself
Now back to the Topic....How do I spell LTE and Speed test? Anybody have any new new LTE reports to report<<<<< did I just repete myself
SurrealOne
Android Expert
The FCC is a bunch of Old guys still trying to learn how to program the betamax recorder they have. Sorry I just had to add that.... He He
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Oh yes, that. That's the FCC, not a news article. Since it's not a news archive, the FCC does keep it current. It's not "from 2004". Click the links and read the documents please.No EarlyMon I was not quoting you. Read the post from speed
Originally Posted by Speed Daemon
Well the FCC and DHS disagree with you. No offense intended, but when it comes to "Moderator" vs. 3-letter federal agencies, I'm going with the word of the 3-letter agencies. I don't know why they keep chipping away at the 800MHz (and 700 for that matter) bands, but they say they need more for "public safety" and I don't think they're lying.
800 MHz Public Safety Spectrum
I was agree with you it was Speed that posted the link from 2004
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Where'd the quote go?
Anyway, that's the part where the FCC moved the (D)AMPS blocks to the LMR (including iDEN, SMR and public service) blocks. I presume there was a good reason for it, but can't for the life of me remember what it could be.
What I was referring to was news that the Department of Homeland Security was pressuring the FCC for even more RF spectrum to use for God knows what. The actual frequencies are somewhere in the FCC's database for those who must know all the gory details, and it's a pain to chart it all out, which is why we can't just Google the changes.
To get back to my original point, if the DHS decides once again to exercise eminent domain over the 800MHz band, this would not bode well for the companies (like Sprint) that are relying on getting more not less spectrum to run the bulk of their LTE operations from. That's why I suggested that if I was Sprint, I'd take advantage of the fact that there are phones already configured to operate in PCS mode (a.k.a. CDMA) down there and make it primarily for voice, and use their 1900MHz spectrum for LTE. I realize that doing so isn't ideal, but neither is their current plan.
SurrealOne
Android Expert
I think it might be a good time for the quotes to stop starting with ME.
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Forgive me for going into great detail and appearing nit-picky. The thing is that as a scanner enthusiast I had a great interest in the 800MHz band, and watched with great interest while Motorola bought up individual business band (SMR) frequencies, and then aggregated them into channel groups for use with a new radio technology called "trunking". As the owner of radios that are now set up bass ackwards for the new frequency plan, I followed the big swap with more interest than people who are only consumers of retail wireless phone service. These same radios have certain frequencies blocked due to a Draconian law that prohibited (for the first time in US history) people from listening to wireless phone calls.
In short, the 800MHz band is a lot like a person who I know well.
It looks to me that not enough people here share my interest in the history and future of this slice of spectrum to make it worthwhile for me to continue talking about it. And I can see that those who have new LTE service are more interested in posting their speed tests, so I'm going to bow out of the discussion and let the majority prevail.
Gotta know when to fold 'em and walk away..."
SurrealOne
Android Expert
Ok 1 more quote...Where'd the quote go?
Anyway, that's the part where the FCC moved the (D)AMPS blocks to the LMR (including iDEN, SMR and public service) blocks. I presume there was a good reason for it, but can't for the life of me remember what it could be.
What I was referring to was news that the Department of Homeland Security was pressuring the FCC for even more RF spectrum to use for God knows what. The actual frequencies are somewhere in the FCC's database for those who must know all the gory details, and it's a pain to chart it all out, which is why we can't just Google the changes.
To get back to my original point, if the DHS decides once again to exercise eminent domain over the 800MHz band, this would not bode well for the companies (like Sprint) that are relying on getting more not less spectrum to run the bulk of their LTE operations from. That's why I suggested that if I was Sprint, I'd take advantage of the fact that there are phones already configured to operate in PCS mode (a.k.a. CDMA) down there and make it primarily for voice, and use their 1900MHz spectrum for LTE. I realize that doing so isn't ideal, but neither is their current plan.
Call crazy but Sprint is putting LTE in the 1900MHz spectrum. Right?
MIX MODE will be down the line. 2014 If I recall
http://betanews.com/2012/07/16/spri...s-hot-in-15-cities-in-southern-united-states/
No quotes? Are you saying we don't need no stinking quotes, SurrealOne?
Ok, now I follow.
I don't envy the carrier guys working in that political environment. Just before the FCC decision dropped in May, I was posting that the FCC wouldn't go for it, LoL.
I don't want to sound like an apologist, but I can see how they formulated their present plan - I think they worked with what they had at the time.
As a site representative, I'm proscribed from making political observations that might be attributed to Androidforums.com instead of to me personally.
I can say that the idea of a spectrum showdown between DHS and commercial interests would indeed prove interesting.
Going only by the observation that the last DHS reference that I saw from casual checking was from January and the decision that appears in Sprint's favor is from May, I think that the scales presently tip in Sprint's favor.
Meanwhile, it may be a good idea to set threat condition mauve (I don't even know what color that is) for the carrier bandwidth.
Btw, quotes within quotes don't get preserved, it's an artifact of our forum software.
Ok, now I follow.
I don't envy the carrier guys working in that political environment. Just before the FCC decision dropped in May, I was posting that the FCC wouldn't go for it, LoL.
I don't want to sound like an apologist, but I can see how they formulated their present plan - I think they worked with what they had at the time.
As a site representative, I'm proscribed from making political observations that might be attributed to Androidforums.com instead of to me personally.
I can say that the idea of a spectrum showdown between DHS and commercial interests would indeed prove interesting.
Going only by the observation that the last DHS reference that I saw from casual checking was from January and the decision that appears in Sprint's favor is from May, I think that the scales presently tip in Sprint's favor.
Meanwhile, it may be a good idea to set threat condition mauve (I don't even know what color that is) for the carrier bandwidth.
Btw, quotes within quotes don't get preserved, it's an artifact of our forum software.
Forgive me for going into great detail and appearing nit-picky. The thing is that as a scanner enthusiast I had a great interest in the 800MHz band, and watched with great interest while Motorola bought up individual business band (SMR) frequencies, and then aggregated them into channel groups for use with a new radio technology called "trunking". As the owner of radios that are now set up bass ackwards for the new frequency plan, I followed the big swap with more interest than people who are only consumers of retail wireless phone service. These same radios have certain frequencies blocked due to a Draconian law that prohibited (for the first time in US history) people from listening to wireless phone calls.
In short, the 800MHz band is a lot like a person who I know well.
It looks to me that not enough people here share my interest in the history and future of this slice of spectrum to make it worthwhile for me to continue talking about it. And I can see that those who have new LTE service are more interested in posting their speed tests, so I'm going to bow out of the discussion and let the majority prevail.
Gotta know when to fold 'em and walk away..."
Start a new thread, you're raising interesting info and I think we're always ready for that.
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Thanks for your reply, SurrealOne. As I said in my previous post (we were probably writing at the same time) I'm out of discussing band plans here. But since you took the trouble I will say that I've never heard of betanews.com, don't know their reputation, and have read news in several places that does not match what that article claims.
AFAIK Sprint is still planning to use its 1900MHz spectrum that's not being used for CDMA2000 (ie. voice and 3G data) for LTE. My understanding is that they have 25MHz of spectrum there for data-only. What I don't get is how Sprint can monetize any of the spare spectrum that they own without having to convince most of their customers to ditch their new smart phones for new ones every time they find a morsel of bandwidth to use for LTE. No doubt there are a whole lot of people who like spending hundreds of dollars on cue to have the latest thing. I just thought that they were the ones committed to the iPhone.
1900 MHz LTE SGS3 and Evo LTE seem to be rolling out at a steady clip.
Lots of folks ready to upgrade after up to 2 years with their old handsets.
And new customers can snag the Evo from Amazon for $80 right now. Pretty good deal.
And while waiting for whatever in network updates, the new phones do great on 3G and last longer per charge.
Lots of folks ready to upgrade after up to 2 years with their old handsets.
And new customers can snag the Evo from Amazon for $80 right now. Pretty good deal.
And while waiting for whatever in network updates, the new phones do great on 3G and last longer per charge.
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
A new thread? A NEW THREAD??? AAAAAHHHHHHHHHKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!Start a new thread, you're raising interesting info and I think we're always ready for that.
Today I was supposed to get there early for the Full Compass Lighting Expo to see the latest LED TV lighting equipment, and maybe get a great deal on a nice kit in a box on wheels. What did I do instead? I was glued to my computer, reading the Android Forums and trying in vain to keep up with the replies! I blew off a weekly team meeting as well.
And you want me to start a thread? OHMYGODSHOOTMENOW...
Seriously though, I just got myself out of a mind-numbing situation where they wanted me to research the 3.6GHz licensed band, sifting through the FCC's often cryptic online ULS database. I ended up here after spending some time on my phone, and remembering that I wanted to learn more about rooting and what it would get me...just in time for ICS to hit.
I hope you can understand that the last thing I want to do right now is wade through the FCC's website. It would be interesting to write a history of the 800MHz band as I've seen it. There are some pretty interesting tales, like the Chicago Fire Department boondoggle, that has real geek chic as well as rare insights into Chicago politics and corporate influence. Just not right now.
A new thread? A NEW THREAD??? AAAAAHHHHHHHHHKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!
Today I was supposed to get there early for the Full Compass Lighting Expo to see the latest LED TV lighting equipment, and maybe get a great deal on a nice kit in a box on wheels. What did I do instead? I was glued to my computer, reading the Android Forums and trying in vain to keep up with the replies! I blew off a weekly team meeting as well.
And you want me to start a thread? OHMYGODSHOOTMENOW...
Seriously though, I just got myself out of a mind-numbing situation where they wanted me to research the 3.6GHz licensed band, sifting through the FCC's often cryptic online ULS database. I ended up here after spending some time on my phone, and remembering that I wanted to learn more about rooting and what it would get me...just in time for ICS to hit.
I hope you can understand that the last thing I want to do right now is wade through the FCC's website. It would be interesting to write a history of the 800MHz band as I've seen it. There are some pretty interesting tales, like the Chicago Fire Department boondoggle, that has real geek chic as well as rare insights into Chicago politics and corporate influence. Just not right now.
Welcome to Androidforums.com!
You're going to fit in quite nicely.
We all entered through the same door.
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
I live in Madison, WI where the local ILEC, TDS did have WiMAX running for over three years. They never entered into a roaming agreement with Sprint, and in fact never found WiMAX suitable for mobile (or indoor) use. A couple months ago, TDS shut down their WiMAX plant for good. Neither Sprint nor Clearwire has shown any interest in taking it over to give Madison pre-4G service for the who knows how many years we're going to be waiting as the LTE installers to move slowly north from the deep south.
In the Chicago area, I no longer live in or got to the city, but must report that in the northern and northwest suburbs that WiMAX service is very spotty. Maybe a few people get it, but it's not suitable for general use. That's a real shame and a big fumble for Sprint, because this area is full of Fortune 500 companies' headquarters and other major facilities. Between the affluent neighborhoods and affluent business districts, Sprint is losing out big time.
There are (or were) many other WiMAX installations in the Chicago area, but no roaming, so no good for Sprint phone owners.
In the Chicago area, I no longer live in or got to the city, but must report that in the northern and northwest suburbs that WiMAX service is very spotty. Maybe a few people get it, but it's not suitable for general use. That's a real shame and a big fumble for Sprint, because this area is full of Fortune 500 companies' headquarters and other major facilities. Between the affluent neighborhoods and affluent business districts, Sprint is losing out big time.
There are (or were) many other WiMAX installations in the Chicago area, but no roaming, so no good for Sprint phone owners.
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Rub it in, why don't you...Welcome to Androidforums.com!
You're going to fit in quite nicely.
It would be fun to do a historical primer of the mobile phone. I'll have to jot down some stuff.
AlkiDweller
Android Enthusiast
For those that have seen zero 4G, but have been expecting to...
I don't mean to sound like Captain Obvious here, but when my Samsung GNex came out of the box the Network Mode was set to CDMA and not LTE / CDMA.
Ya got it turned on?
I don't mean to sound like Captain Obvious here, but when my Samsung GNex came out of the box the Network Mode was set to CDMA and not LTE / CDMA.
Ya got it turned on?
In my case, yes it's on. This launch was just horrible though. We're a few days in and I've yet to hit an LTE live area. I would have preferred they just wait until there was some real coverage in the market before stating there is some type of launch for the service. Turns out this just the same old Sprint.
Mr. Ed
Extreme Android User
There have been quite a few in Atlanta post great speed tests....bad phone maybe?