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Network vision & LTE rollout

I'm pretty sure the meter shows whatever signal you are useing it's one or the other but not just 1x. Now let me tell you why I think this before anybody goes crazy on me. Whe I use and air card and switch the same signal meter I use for 3g(cdma rev:a or 1x) changes when I push the button to change to 4g in this case (WiMax) the meter changes to reflect the connection. Now dont go crazy on me and say this is just a WiMax thing. But the same idea holds true for cell phone radios it only has one signal meter and it shows whatever signal it is useing and it can't use two at the same time. The best why to tell is go into the ##data# menu and change you device to only use LTE or CDMA and see what happens.
 
SurrealOne said:
I'm pretty sure the meter shows whatever signal you are useing it's one or the other but not just 1x. Now let me tell you why I think this before anybody goes crazy on me. Whe I use and air card and switch the same signal meter I use for 3g(cdma rev:a or 1x) changes when I push the button to change to 4g in this case (WiMax) the meter changes to reflect the connection. Now dont go crazy on me and say this is just a WiMax thing. But the same idea holds true for cell phone radios it only has one signal meter and it shows whatever signal it is useing and it can't use two at the same time. The best why to tell is go into the ##data# menu and change you device to only use LTE or CDMA and see what happens.
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I wont argue with you, as I am no expert, but I have learned a lot at S4GRU and very confident in my posts. (However, the WiMax thing is totally different and does not apply.)
One thing though, you say Sprint's devices can't use two signals at the same time. Thats not true. Almost all (if not, every one) of Sprints new Android devices are SVLTE and/or SVDO capable, so how do you say they cant use two signals at the same time?? Because if you're talking and surfing at the same time (aka SVDO/SVLTE), you're using 1x and LTE or EVDO at the same time. Which is using two signals at the same time.

Furthermore: Bars Lie for LTE Signal Strength! How to determine your actual LTE signal strength - Sprint 4G Rollout Updates
 
BenChase7 said:
I wont argue with you, as I am no expert, but I have learned a lot at S4GRU and very confident in my posts. (However, the WiMax thing is totally different and does not apply.)
One thing though, you say Sprint's devices can't use two signals at the same time. Thats not true. Almost all (if not, every one) of Sprints new Android devices are SVLTE and/or SVDO capable, so how do you say they cant use two signals at the same time?? Because if you're talking and surfing at the same time (aka SVDO/SVLTE), you're using 1x and LTE or EVDO at the same time. Which is using two signals at the same time.

Furthermore: Bars Lie for LTE Signal Strength! How to determine your actual LTE signal strength - Sprint 4G Rollout Updates
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good info thank you and I'm no expert and I'm not sure about useing two radios at the same time. And yes I have tried surfing and talking at the same time does not work so well that is dependent on the signal you are receiving not 1x and cdma rev:a at the same time. you only drop to 1x when your signal is really week but that is all about tower location and distance for signal. I Think :confused:
 
NYCHitman1 said:
I don't think you will see speeds that are that much improved, honestly. Sprint's LTE isn't made to be similar to VZW's or AT&T's. They are using half the amount of carriers, but on more towers so there is expanded coverage zones that overlap. At least, that is how it is supposed to be. In any event, I anticipate that you'll see a bump to maybe 7-8 on the downlink.
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7-8mps would be perfectly fine for me. I've never really been picky about speeds, unless they're so excruciatingly slow that they're worse than dial-up...LOL. I prefer battery life over connecting to the internet fast, while on the go, so as long as I see more improvements to overall coverage area and more consistency in connection, I'll be really happy.
 
drexappeal said:
7-8mps would be perfectly fine for me. I've never really been picky about speeds, unless they're so excruciatingly slow that they're worse than dial-up...LOL. I prefer battery life over connecting to the internet fast, while on the go, so as long as I see more improvements to overall coverage area and more consistency in connection, I'll be really happy.
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That much you should. At least that is my understanding of Network Vision. Every tower with multimodal infrastructure to increase coverage zones, which should create overlapping from tower to tower. In theory, this should decrease the amount of users on one particular tower in one setting, which would then promote stability.

At least, this is my interpretation of Network Vision. I could be wrong.
 
NYCHitman1 said:
That much you should. At least that is my understanding of Network Vision. Every tower with multimodal infrastructure to increase coverage zones, which should create overlapping from tower to tower. In theory, this should decrease the amount of users on one particular tower in one setting, which would then promote stability.

At least, this is my interpretation of Network Vision. I could be wrong.
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Been keeping my eye out on s4gru for updates, so we'll see...but yes, that was my interpretation as well and would love seeing that happen.

btw...congrats on the title update! Thumbs Up.
 
For the first time in 3 years I'm thinking of ending my contract and going pre-paid. In Phoenix, data speeds have been terrible, under 500kbs and most of the time under 100kbps. Its not even usable. I'm paying verizon and ATT prices to get what cricket customers got on 1x years ago, what a joke. What the hell is up with Phoenix? How can they expect to keep customers. Everyone I know on Sprint wants to jump ship, most to verizon, even though its limited.

Where is Phoenix on the NV map? Do they realize how many customers they're going to lose just in this market? I'm on the tipping point right now and I don't see anything positive on the horizon that would keep me.
 
2strokenut said:
For the first time in 3 years I'm thinking of ending my contract and going pre-paid. In Phoenix, data speeds have been terrible, under 500kbs and most of the time under 100kbps. Its not even usable. I'm paying verizon and ATT prices to get what cricket customers got on 1x years ago, what a joke. What the hell is up with Phoenix? How can they expect to keep customers. Everyone I know on Sprint wants to jump ship, most to verizon, even though its limited.

Where is Phoenix on the NV map? Do they realize how many customers they're going to lose just in this market? I'm on the tipping point right now and I don't see anything positive on the horizon that would keep me.
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I don't blame you. Phoenix has been one of those really troubled Sprint areas for as long as I can remember, kind of like Chicago. Sprint has recently put forth an effort towards helping the Chicago area out with more coverage after a public outcry (and some bad press).

Band together and make some noise and maybe you can move up the priority list of markets that need desperate attention?
 
NYCHitman1 said:
They are improving the network, but it takes a little bit of time. Some areas are being improved faster than others, but it is what it is. Just be a little patient and you'll see that Sprint is here for the long haul, and worth every penny you spend per month to keep their services.
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Be patient? I've been with Sprint since 2000. Sprint sent me an email saying they already made the improvements in my area. Showed me a map and did a whole song and dance about how its supposed to be better. I havent even talked about the LTE service, but the amount of dropped calls I am getting now, is becoming ridiculous.
 
aeiou2 said:
Be patient? I've been with Sprint since 2000. Sprint sent me an email saying they already made the improvements in my area. Showed me a map and did a whole song and dance about how its supposed to be better. I havent even talked about the LTE service, but the amount of dropped calls I am getting now, is becoming ridiculous.
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At that point, you would have to weigh what would be the best option for you then. I would think that much to be for certain.
 
A couple of points concerning Clear, while Sprint no longer owns a majority share they are still the largest single shareholder, this is the main reason for Softbanks interest, Clear's enormous spectrum portfolio, also sadly enough for everyone who has complained about Wimax's poor coverage they currently have a larger footprint than Sprints LTE coverage does. Sprint's future including Softbank funding is directly related to being able to leverage Clears spectrum both for enhanced WiMax services in some areas and reallocation of their significant spectrum for LTE rollout and coverage in a large number of geographical areas. Sprint's future is firmly hitched to Clears wagon.
 
OverByter said:
A couple of points concerning Clear, while Sprint no longer owns a majority share they are still the largest single shareholder, this is the main reason for Softbanks interest, Clear's enormous spectrum portfolio, also sadly enough for everyone who has complained about Wimax's poor coverage they currently have a larger footprint than Sprints LTE coverage does. Sprint's future including Softbank funding is directly related to being able to leverage Clears spectrum both for enhanced WiMax services in some areas and reallocation of their significant spectrum for LTE rollout and coverage in a large number of geographical areas. Sprint's future is firmly hitched to Clears wagon.
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Yeah hence why they own the stake and I thought they still did hold the majority. Either way they still are in the drivers seat
 
PyroSporker said:
I don't blame you. Phoenix has been one of those really troubled Sprint areas for as long as I can remember, kind of like Chicago. Sprint has recently put forth an effort towards helping the Chicago area out with more coverage after a public outcry (and some bad press).

Band together and make some noise and maybe you can move up the priority list of markets that need desperate attention?
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What bad press in chicago besides the needed spectrum which it just acquiesced from uscc. My city did not get the treatment Phoenix got lol. Chicago has wimax ALL over the city and LTE in majority of the city. Did you guys even get wimax lol. But Phoenix is supposed to be getting lte from cricket and sprint soon
 
greenghost2212 said:
What bad press in Chicago besides the needed spectrum which it just acquiesced from USCC. My city did not get the treatment Phoenix got lol. Chicago has Wimax ALL over the city and LTE in majority of the city. Did you guys even get Wimax lol. But Phoenix is supposed to be getting LTE from Cricket and Sprint soon
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Here is one quick example. And there were others like it that I recall.

Problem Solver: Dropped calls become towering annoyance - Chicago Tribune

I even remember a link to watch Sprint troubles reported on the local 10PM Chicago TV news from a while back.

As for the rest of your message I'm having trouble following what you are saying.
I'm not in Chicago or Phoenix though, and if I know about their network troubles (and have for years) then there is honestly a big problem. With the influx of new capital, Sprint has taken some small steps to help rectify the problems in Chicago, surely they can be replicated in short order in Phoenix, LA, and New York just to name a few.
 
Sprint already announced that nv was the cause of everything in that article. And I thought u was in Phoenix. Seeing as my city so big of course its gonna be bigger problems but those are ironed out already my grandparents are with att and they voice quality is garbage and dropped calls
 
PyroSporker said:
Here is one quick example. And there were others like it that I recall.

Problem Solver: Dropped calls become towering annoyance - Chicago Tribune

I even remember a link to watch Sprint troubles reported on the local 10PM Chicago TV news from a while back.

As for the rest of your message I'm having trouble following what you are saying.
I'm not in Chicago or Phoenix though, and if I know about their network troubles (and have for years) then there is honestly a big problem. With the influx of new capital, Sprint has taken some small steps to help rectify the problems in Chicago, surely they can be replicated in short order in Phoenix, LA, and New York just to name a few.
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This is all old news, now, but....

In Chicago there was an issue with the new Network Vision equipment handing off signals to the old equipment. So, essentially, as the upgrades were taking place, as your phone switched from one tower to another, it would drop the call. As a result, Sprint accelerated Network Vision upgrades in Chicago, which is why NV is further along in Chicago than any other market. Kind of a blessing in disguise, in my opinion. I could deal with a few months of dropped calls for what NV brings. Now, nearly all of Chicago's towers have been upgraded ( Network Vision/LTE Deployment Running List - Sprint 4G Rollout Updates )

The following link, posted way back in April, (which has also already been posted in this very thread) kind of explains the problems they were having in CHI. Sprint battling Network Vision deployment woes in the Windy City - Sprint 4G Rollout Updates
 
If you guys could only be here in PHX to see and experience how bad service is compared to the other three, you would think Sprint were some crappy prepaid carrier. Its so sad. I don't know how they still get subscribers. I'm regretting defending SPrint for so long, I got a lot of friends to switch to them and now they are giving me crap because it is just so terrible.
 
Yea, in Phoenix, Network Vision can't come soon enough. I hope it stays on track and they start this winter. I have noticed my phone no longer connects to the EVDO network, it now connects to eHRPD. So, hopefully that means they are on schedule for that winter start. Luckily, Alcatel Lucent is doing Phx, as they have been pretty solid in the other markets which Sprint has contracted them for Network Vision.
 
greenghost2212 said:
Sprint already announced that NV was the cause of everything in that article. And I thought u was in Phoenix. Seeing as my city so big of course its gonna be bigger problems but those are ironed out already my grandparents are with ATT and they voice quality is garbage and dropped calls
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Network Vision is not the cause of everything in that article. Chicago has been having capacity issues and call drop issues since way before Network Vision was even a conceptualized idea. Like, 2 years ago and older. Its easy for Sprint to write it off as a Network Vision problem though because they are currently resolving some of the problems with Network Vision. Why would they admit that there has been serious problems there for years prior when they can sell it off in the present?

BenChase7 said:
This is all old news, now, but....

In Chicago there was an issue with the new Network Vision equipment handing off signals to the old equipment. So, essentially, as the upgrades were taking place, as your phone switched from one tower to another, it would drop the call. As a result, Sprint accelerated Network Vision upgrades in Chicago, which is why NV is further along in Chicago than any other market. Kind of a blessing in disguise, in my opinion. I could deal with a few months of dropped calls for what NV brings
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Yeah it is all old news, I only brought up old stories because I was prompted to.
I'm quite familiar with the articles posted, while it may be a recent contributing factor with a clear cause and effect + solution, it doesn't change the reality of the on going issues Chicago has dealt with.

BenChase7 said:
Yea, in Phoenix, Network Vision can't come soon enough. I hope it stays on track and they start this winter. I have noticed my phone no longer connects to the EVDO network, it now connects to eHRPD. So, hopefully that means they are on schedule for that winter start. Luckily, Alcatel Lucent is doing Phx, as they have been pretty solid in the other markets which Sprint has contracted them for Network Vision.
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In my opinion Sprint should accelerate NV for Phoenix the same as they did for Chicago. It would be a brilliant Public Relations move if they could pour a little bit of extra resources into their most troublesome markets to get things off the ground, and add some sensibility to the roll out.
Yeah Alcatel-Lucent do a bang up job.
 
PyroSporker said:
Network Vision is not the cause of everything in that article. Chicago has been having capacity issues and call drop issues since way before Network Vision was even a conceptualized idea. Like, 2 years ago and older. Its easy for Sprint to write it off as a Network Vision problem though because they are currently resolving some of the problems with Network Vision. Why would they admit that there has been serious problems there for years prior when they can sell it off in the present?



Yeah it is all old news, I only brought up old stories because I was prompted to.
I'm quite familiar with the articles posted, while it may be a recent contributing factor with a clear cause and effect + solution, it doesn't change the reality of the on going issues Chicago has dealt with.



In my opinion Sprint should accelerate NV for Phoenix the same as they did for Chicago. It would be a brilliant PR move if they could pour a little bit of extra resources into their most troublesome markets to get things off the ground, and add some sensibility to the roll out.
Yeah Alcatel-Lucent do a bang up job.
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They need to hurry up with Chicago lol.. On the highway I keep getting caught in between 3g and 4G and it leaves me without data unless in switch to 3g mode only.
 
PyroSporker said:
Network Vision is not the cause of everything in that article. Chicago has been having capacity issues and call drop issues since way before Network Vision was even a conceptualized idea. Like, 2 years ago and older. Its easy for Sprint to write it off as a Network Vision problem though because they are currently resolving some of the problems with Network Vision. Why would they admit that there has been serious problems there for years prior when they can sell it off in the present?



Yeah it is all old news, I only brought up old stories because I was prompted to.
I'm quite familiar with the articles posted, while it may be a recent contributing factor with a clear cause and effect + solution, it doesn't change the reality of the on going issues Chicago has dealt with.



In my opinion Sprint should accelerate NV for Phoenix the same as they did for Chicago. It would be a brilliant Public Relations move if they could pour a little bit of extra resources into their most troublesome markets to get things off the ground, and add some sensibility to the roll out.
Yeah Alcatel-Lucent do a bang up job.
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Personally I have this same thought about Philadelphia PA. I'm in the car earlier with my fam. Everybody connected to the Internet and me sitting there sulking.

Kind of foolish trying to show off such a high end phone that can't even connect to FB unless on WiFi.
 
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