***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

[Ytram]

Didn't the guy on Google+ from Chicago that got a hands on preview from a friend say that the phone was running on Verizon's network? Why would this be so if the phone was not coming to Verizon?

He also said that the bezel was capacitive and controlled the visibility of the on-screen buttons. But I digress.

The question is NOT whether or not this phone is compatible with Verizon. It's not a question of whether or not Verizon was involved with the manufacture and testing of the device. There's plenty of evidence of that(the Galnex pictured with the Verizon 4G LTE logo, the "Verizon Wireless" text on the notification pull-down in the Samsung video, etc.).

The real questions are these: Is Verizon going to follow through with it? Is there a quality issue that's in Samsung's hands? Is Verizon sand-bagging the release temporarily to improve RAZR sales? We KNOW that the phones were running on Verizon, that doesn't mean Verizon won't scrap this at the last minute.

 

[burntorangefan]

I'm totally not getting where the Moto hate is coming from. The Honda Civic is now on its 9th generation, but I don't see anybody complaining that they've been re-using the same name for the last 28yrs.

Do you seriously think the RAZR isn't a large improvement over Bionic?

Blue, that quote notwithstanding I'm not sure that most of us feel that way. There's no reason to regurgitate the specs, but the RAZR and I think most agree, is an awesome phone. If the bootloader was unlocked, I'd be giving it serious consideration. Because it isn't, I'm not, but if Verizon drops the ball with the Nexus I may just relent and go that direction. I loved my OG, but again it was unlocked...

 

[Stretlow]

I don't think it stacks up at all.

In what way? i honestly only know about the omap from this forum. I have a Desire and its honestly been the best phone ive ever had so im noticing the new HTC.

On the other hand I want something different but something is going to have to do well to pull me away from the Nexus

 

[BabyBlues]

I'm totally not getting where the Moto hate is coming from. The Honda Civic is now on its 9th generation, but I don't see anybody complaining that they've been re-using the same name for the last 28yrs.

Do you seriously think the RAZR isn't a large improvement over Bionic?

I have had nothing but issues with their phones in the past. Its purely my feelings on it (and some friends and family members happen to agree).
I would hope the RAZR is an improvement over the Bionic since it's their newest delivery but I would rather limp along on a phone that is dying than use Blur.
Again - all personal.
If you've used Motorola and loved it and had no issues then more power to you.

 

[rushmore]

I'm totally not getting where the Moto hate is coming from. The Honda Civic is now on its 9th generation, but I don't see anybody complaining that they've been re-using the same name for the last 28yrs.

Do you seriously think the RAZR isn't a large improvement over Bionic?

My Droid 3 rocks, but has a 4430 and based on the heat at 1ghz, I would never overclock it. Seems Moto may have used a "check into cash" approach with this cost decision.

 

[Ytram]

Does anyone know how the 1.5 processor in the vigor (rezound) stacks up against the 4460.

Dont think ive read it anywhere

Stret

I don't think it stacks up at all.

I haven't been able to find anything that declares what type of processor they're using in the Vigor. I know it's supposed to be 1.5 GHz, but I haven't seen who makes the chip.

Plus, a couple of weeks ago, a lot of folks would have sworn that the Galnexy would be using a 1.5 GHz chip.

 

[HanSolo]

The whole presentation would have to be reworked. Those things are rehearsed and changes have a ripple effect whether large or small.

They just dont go on stage and wing it

The whole presentation wouldn't have to be rewritten; are you kidding me? If it was Verizon-centric, of course. But from the outset in the CTIA invites, it was always going to be about Samsung and Google, that's it. They didn't announce U.S. carriers for the Note event in Berlin, but AT&T is definitely getting it, and who knows who else. Samsung's Unpacked Events are about the product only, not about carriers.

Also, they said it was coming to the U.S. Who else do you see getting an LTE device from Google?

I know you refer to those who think it's coming to Verizon as "wishful thinkers", but I honestly feel that it takes more effort to conjure up these terrible thoughts of Verizon not getting it, than it takes to simply see with your eyes and know that Verizon's name has been all over this thing since Day 1 all the way up to the day it was announced.

 

[cereal killer]

I'm totally not getting where the Moto hate is coming from. The Honda Civic is now on its 9th generation, but I don't see anybody complaining that they've been re-using the same name for the last 28yrs.

Do you seriously think the RAZR isn't a large improvement over Bionic?

Me likes the RAZR. I think it's a huge improvement over the Bionic. Matter of fact I MAY just buy it if the Nexus falls through. I said may though...the bootloader is tearing my heart out. If the bootloader were unlocked I'd purchase it over the Nexus in a heartbeat.

Damn, why can't somebody make the perfect device. It's really not that hard is it?

 

[nexusprimepls]

The whole presentation wouldn't have to be rewritten; are you kidding me? If it was Verizon-centric, of course. But from the outset in the CTIA invites, it was always going to be about Samsung and Google, that's it. They didn't announce U.S. carriers for the Note event in Berlin, but AT&T is definitely getting it, and who knows who else. Samsung's Unpacked Events are about the product only, not about carriers.

Also, they said it was coming to the U.S. Who else do you see getting an LTE device from Google?

I know you refer to those who think it's coming to Verizon as "wishful thinkers", but I honestly feel that it takes more effort to conjure up these terrible thoughts of Verizon not getting it, than it takes to simply see with your eyes and know that Verizon's name has been all over this thing since Day 1 all the way up to the day it was announced.

You are right that Verizon has been involved from day 1, but VZW was SUPPOSED to get the SGII as well. I personally doubt that it will fall through with Verizon, but there is certainly room to speculate at this point, especially given that we know there is tension among the Verizon folks and Google/Samsung. I am with you though, I truly believe that Verizon will carry the Galaxy Nexus exclusively for a period of time, and it will be a pure Google ICS on board. I also believe that it's the last time we ever get a pure unlocked Google phone on Big Red. They won't be fooled again. Cue The Who

 

[kastleberg]

I'm totally not getting where the Moto hate is coming from. The Honda Civic is now on its 9th generation, but I don't see anybody complaining that they've been re-using the same name for the last 28yrs.

Do you seriously think the RAZR isn't a large improvement over Bionic?

Honda also didn't stop making the civic, wait a few years, and redesign an accord and label that a civic.

Sure this razr is a major improvement over the bionic. The bionic is unsellable. Hahaha. But making a tweeked up X and calling it the razr to seem semi-retro? Im not hating, its just as dumb as every other marketing ploy.

 

[Sandroidfan]

In what way? i honestly only know about the omap from this forum. I have a Desire and its honestly been the best phone ive ever had so im noticing the new HTC.

On the other hand I want something different but something is going to have to do well to pull me away from the Nexus

Dual snapdragon S3 (Evo3D, Sensation) has been consistently beaten by Exynos in SGSII in many benchmarks. It's like 2300 vs 3300 in Quadrant for example. GPU benchmarks are similar story. Even at 1.5Ghz, it can't come close to 1.2Ghz Exynos or OMAP4.

 

[BabyBlues]

You are right that Verizon has been involved from day 1, but VZW was SUPPOSED to get the SGII as well. I personally doubt that it will fall through with Verizon, but there is certainly room to speculate at this point, especially given that we know there is tension among the Verizon folks and Google/Samsung. I am with you though, I truly believe that Verizon will carry the Galaxy Nexus exclusively for a period of time, and it will be a pure Google ICS on board. I also believe that it's the last time we ever get a pure unlocked Google phone on Big Red. They won't be fooled again. Cue The Who

That was my thought as well. At this point I think they know there are too many people anxiously awaiting the announcement. They are going to give this one shot - and if it doesn't sell astronomically well they will be able to say 'we tried' but it didn't go well so we don't think we'll do it again.

 

[BlueBiker]

I have had nothing but issues with their phones in the past. Its purely my feelings on it (and some friends and family members happen to agree).
I would hope the RAZR is an improvement over the Bionic since it's their newest delivery but I would rather limp along on a phone that is dying than use Blur.
Again - all personal.
If you've used Motorola and loved it and had no issues then more power to you.

Okay, I can understand that. If you've had a rotten experience w/them, and especially if you don't like Blur (um, does anybody?) then I could see heading in a different direction.

I just still love my OG after all this time, and would probably load another launcher on any non-ICS phone. BUT... non-replaceable battery is a deal-breaker for me, so no RAZR in my future.

 

[HanSolo]

You are right that Verizon has been involved from day 1, but VZW was SUPPOSED to get the SGII as well.. . . .

I just think we all need to take a step back and relax, and a have look at the entire big picture. Verizon was rumored to be getting the SGSII, but that rumor was never substantiated by anyone official. Samsung never said it, Verizon never said it. There was wild rumors out there, and one "industry insider" who said it was coming first to Verizon on August 12, and has since lost all credibility and has been branded as an idiot for the rest of his leak career. Even CK (who I know I am hard on sometimes, but I think he knows I like him, but not in that way) was duped into believing SGSII was coming, but not from anyone who actually said it was coming; it was based purely on specs and he assumed it was that.

We never saw it even get bluetooth certification or wifi. Nothing.

This is a completely different animal. BMX played with the thing on Verizon LTE. It's gotten bluetooth and wireless certification. Steven's Love Tunnel, who has been confirmed to work for Verizon by the staff here on AF, has seen the device. Yes, it was back in July, but as recently as a yesterday (or the day before, don't remember), he assured Steven it was coming. Samsung has confirmed it's coming to Verizon (on their web page, on their promos in the unveiling, on facebook). Verizon has confirmed it (Verizon employees, Cellebrite systems). The list goes on and on.

Anyone who says that it's a 50/50 shot it's coming to Verizon or not, they're not looking at the big picture. All they're seeing is one windsock's opinion that is being repeated ad nauseum throughout the internet, and taking it as fact, when all the evidence is stacked against it. It's bordering on being pessimistic just for the sake of being pessimistic.

I can't tell anyone how to feel. We all have the right to think what we want. But this forum is so freaking emotional, and it goes up and down like the tides, that I hate to see it get dragged down to the bottom from repeated negative comments.

But, let them continue. I just wanted my point of view out there. And yes, it's only my opinion. It's as valid or non-valid as anyone else's. I just advocate the taking a step back and looking at the big picture approach.

 

[rushmore]

Point is the Razr will have to consume more power and produce more heat than would have with a 4460.

Are we sure the Nexus has no sd slot? Yeah, I know.

 

[jasaero]

First, complexity. These beasties are SoC packages - system on (a) chip.

Compared to the PC world, that's taking a number of chips, glue logic, motherboard piece(s) - and putting that all on to one - single - chip.

And the idea of jumping circuits in nanometer design - not something I'd like to expect. On-chip wiring today vs a decade ago is like comparing angel hair to a oak trunk. (I exaggerate, but only slightly. We started calling the thick to thin oxide wiring comparisons "bamboo" and that was years ago.)

It's not about number of transistors.

It's about cookie cutting.

If you want a higher yield per wafer, you have 4 choices:

• shink the dice, shrink the chips by going from 65 nm manufacturing process to 45 nm to 32 to 28 to 17 to ... the limits of our machinery technology
• increase the wafer size
• increase your manufacturing quality to have less loss during production
• combination of above

I wasn't referring to onchip jumping so much as jumping fuses built into the packaging of the chip. I would guess stuff like this is done now with some sorta post packaged chip validation testing?? Pretty sure the fuses on these old AMD chips were blown by a laser if it could only pass as a lower model or they needed more volume on the lower model. As margins improved you could just reconnect the fuses and the chip thought it was a higher model. My impression is that newer chips do stuff like this with some sorta internal settings the validation testing equipment can set.

Basically it just seems that there aren't many difference with 4460 and 4430 from what I have read to design two totally independent chips. It seems you would want them too be the same so you can adjust volume of each on the fly during packaging to allow for dynamic adjustments too demand for each. ATI and nVidia will have one die for GPU's that ship with all variety of features and cores enabled and disabled. Some of this is margin based so they can just sell a chip with a few things defective as a lower model, but it also seems to partially be a convenience thing for having a few price points off the same design.

 

[Sandroidfan]

I also believe that it's the last time we ever get a pure unlocked Google phone on Big Red. They won't be fooled again. Cue The Who

Verizon wouldn't push Nexus for sure. It's up to us to do its marketing by words and show verizon it's worth of getting next version.

 

[HanSolo]

Point is the Razr will have to consume more power and produce more heat than would have with a 4460.

Are we sure the Nexus has no sd slot? Yeah, I know.

Maybe that's why it's got an aluminum/Kevlar backing, so that your hands don't burn off.

 

[Stretlow]

Dual snapdragon S3 (Evo3D, Sensation) has been consistently beaten by Exynos in SGSII in many benchmarks. It's like 2300 vs 3300 in Quadrant for example. GPU benchmarks are similar story. Even at 1.5Ghz, it can't come close to 1.2Ghz Exynos or OMAP4.

Looks like there's nothing there to tempt me away then, thanks

 

[tpags]

The whole presentation wouldn't have to be rewritten; are you kidding me? If it was Verizon-centric, of course. But from the outset in the CTIA invites, it was always going to be about Samsung and Google, that's it. They didn't announce U.S. carriers for the Note event in Berlin, but AT&T is definitely getting it, and who knows who else. Samsung's Unpacked Events are about the product only, not about carriers.

Also, they said it was coming to the U.S. Who else do you see getting an LTE device from Google?

I know you refer to those who think it's coming to Verizon as "wishful thinkers", but I honestly feel that it takes more effort to conjure up these terrible thoughts of Verizon not getting it, than it takes to simply see with your eyes and know that Verizon's name has been all over this thing since Day 1 all the way up to the day it was announced.

+1 to that!! It sounded like u were hammering a perp on the stand. If I ever need a good lawyer in the Chi I'm gonna look u up.

 

[BlueBiker]

Honda also didn't stop making the civic, wait a few years, and redesign an accord and label that a civic.

Sure this razr is a major improvement over the bionic. The bionic is unsellable. Hahaha. But making a tweeked up X and calling it the razr to seem semi-retro? Im not hating, its just as dumb as every other marketing ploy.

For a long time the Mustang was built on the same platform as the lowly Fairmont and boaty Lincoln Continental(!), but it ended up as the best pony car of its day.

 

[zx10droid]

Anyone interested?


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by saying shipping on nov 16-17, maybe they know something we dont???

edit: and just noticed its the gsm model, hmmmmmmmmmm...............

 

[nexusprimepls]

Anyone who says that it's a 50/50 shot it's coming to Verizon or not, they're not looking at the big picture. All they're seeing is one windsock's opinion that is being repeated ad nauseum throughout the internet, and taking it as fact, when all the evidence is stacked against it. It's bordering on being pessimistic just for the sake of being pessimistic.

I can't tell anyone how to feel. We all have the right to think what we want. But this forum is so freaking emotional, and it goes up and down like the tides, that I hate to see it get dragged down to the bottom from repeated negative comments.

I don't disagree with you in the least Han. As a matter of fact, I am quite sure that if someone were so inclined to search all of my posts, which have been almost exclusively in this thread I believe, they would see my sentiments have mirrored yours on this subject.

(DISCLAIMER!!!! Please nobody waste your valuable time doing that, lol)

However, I can understand why the other posters in here feel uneasy, if you will, due to the tensions that we know about, and the lack of an official word by Verizon.

I will also say this, if Verizon DID screw this up, which there is a .00000000000000001% chance of in my mind, I will leave them for whatever carrier has the best deal on this phone. My $.02 worth.

 

[nexusprimepls]

by saying shipping on nov 16-17, maybe they know something we dont???

edit: and just noticed its the gsm model, hmmmmmmmmmm...............

I noticed that as well, but look at the location it is shipping from.... What's that about?

 

[EarlyMon]

Dual snapdragon S3 (Evo3D, Sensation) has been consistently beaten by Exynos in SGSII in many benchmarks. It's like 2300 vs 3300 in Quadrant for example. GPU benchmarks are similar story. Even at 1.5Ghz, it can't come close to 1.2Ghz Exynos or OMAP4.

Sigh. At 1.5 GHz, my S3 is just a wink above the SGS2 @ 1.2 in CF-Bench for CPU benchmark (comprehensive math in native and Java modes). Nenamark 2, ~36 fps vs. 45 on SGS2, so that part is true.

It's about the overall phone - it's not about benchmarks.

And it's never about Quadrant. I have a screen shot of my S3 at 1.2 GHz hitting just over 2400 and I did _nothing_ special. When I overclocked and trimmed fat and the whole phone started screaming faster, guess what my new Quadrant score was?

700

Quadrant == not good for assessing dual core phones at all.

I know I said I'd stop with the benchmarks, but seriously...

It's about the overall phone - it's not about benchmarks.

And how is the Nexus just overall not the best thing out there right now?

Bob Dylan said it best - Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows!