***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

[Namrak]

You think so? What are the boot times of current-gen devices?
My TP2's boot time is at least 2 or 3 minutes, and it runs slowly for a few minutes after that, so anything's an improvement

I thought so...until I just tried on my tbolt. Took 1 min 30secs. Yikes. I wouldn't necesarily consider it current gen but I do see your point. I had thought sarcasm because I remember reading somewhere that the razr time was 20-30 secs, don't remeber where though. Anyways, I figured of the razr gets that time then 40 secs must not be considered fast. Guess that thinking was wrong

 

[saulback]

Only when it freezes, which I am hoping won't be a problem with the Nexus.

I'm glad you mentioned the freezing. That is my number one complaint with my Droid Charge. I think the freezing has something to do with the small amount RAM. But freezing on a phone is absolutely unnecessary and annoying. How many android phones out there freeze? All of them? Is it something we just live with?

I really hope the Nexus solves the freezing. When I want to make a phone call I shouldn't have to wait for my phone to do a hot boot.

 

[HanSolo]

Thanks Han. How could people be like that. I'm not asking for important info. If you have it, give us a little itty bitty clue on the batt life (so we have something to talk about as we wait patiently)

I have seen the same question asked to him a billion times. I am the ONLY one that got a reply. Maybe he'll rethink and give us something. if he even has it.

It's irritating. If you want to brag about having something no one else does, expect to answer some questions, or shut your mouth and don't say anything in the first place. Otherwise you come across as a little schoolyard dbag.

IMO of course.

 

[Namrak]

I'm glad you mentioned the freezing. That is my number one complaint with my Droid Charge. I think the freezing has something to do with the small amount RAM. But freezing on a phone is absolutely unnecessary and annoying. How many android phones out there freeze? All of them? Is it something we just live with?

I really hope the Nexus solves the freezing. When I want to make a phone call I shouldn't have to wait for my phone to do a hot boot.

All of them freeze. Even the coveted iPhone freezes (albeit less). My tbolt and the droid x I used to have freeze. Its a sad (and annoying) fact of owning a smartphone...Sometimes they are not so smart

 

[jbdan]

Wow the razr looks really nice nice a lot of hands on today. It would take a razr x 63 though to make me change my mind on the sgn! What I loved about the Bionic and moto in general is the call quality....I mean wow it's stunning. I do actually use my phone as a phone Haven't seen anything solid on the 17th changing so:



10 more days!

 

[TheRoosevelt]

It was me. What wasn't polite about it? i thought it was normal question with a little poke to maybe get an answer. People like you have tried a thousand times with no luck. I agree with Stigy. he's an ass.

No offense meant, wedge. I was just saying that we all know P3 likes being treated like a god, so anything less isn't going to get anything out of him.
Anyway, in retrospect I suppose it was worth the effort, same result either way

Wow, this day was weird. We got bad news, but did we really? I don't think anything we heard can really be counted as news. Just more sludge from the bad-rumor mill. It's been frustrating.
I'm gonna blame it on Monday. When in doubt, blame it on Monday.
Tomorrow will be better (I hope).

 

[OfTheDamned]

Your question was fine. Thanks for asking it.

I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even have it. The pic he posted of it says Team Black Hat, with a date of last week.

I have a feeling that sometimes he posts pics of phones he doesn't have, but someone else he knows does, and implies that he took the pic. (Like that weird picture of the SGN with the aluminum backside; people started asking him questions about it and he just ignored them. One guy asked him what was up with the metal back, and asked if it was real, and he cursed him out.)

Thanks Han. How could people be like that. I'm not asking for important info. If you have it, give us a little itty bitty clue on the batt life (so we have something to talk about as we wait patiently)

I have seen the same question asked to him a billion times. I am the ONLY one that got a reply. Maybe he'll rethink and give us something. if he even has it.

While I don't see anyone in our community (Android as a whole) as being required to answer questions or offer information about an unreleased device, I have to say that it really does show bad form to flaunt something like that and then refuse to say anything. Why post information that you have a highly anticipated device in your presence and then disrespect people looking for information? It makes no sense other than a desperate need for attention. Now, I have no idea what P3's plans are regarding the device. He could post a boat load of information or even a full review with video later on, but it is pretty odd for someone to post images like that and then attack anyone asking questions. Especially when it is obvious that a person seeks the attention they are receiving.

 

[Ninjak]

Do any of you guys actually ever turn off your phone?

I'm not that interested in cold boot time since it's always on.

I have to completely turn my phone off daily before I enter my secure building, so that'd actually be helpful for me to know. Droid 2 takes too long to turn on, and even sleep mode and airplane mode are discouraged. They don't like electronics here with cameras and any sort of wireless ability.

 

[dr01d3tte]

Wow this thread is still cooking!
(returning to RAZR forum now)

 

[HanSolo]

My sister finally got back to me. She was in meetings with executives all day. She didn't want me texting her, because she was placing and receiving important calls throughout the meetings, so she couldn't silence her phone.

My response:

"So why couldn't you just explain that yesterday? Verizon's stupid reluctance to release important details is rubbing off on you."

I followed that with an angry smiley.

She hasn't texted back.

 

[Stigy]

what a day. what. a. day.

Good or bad pal?

My sister finally got back to me. She was in meetings with executives all day. She didn't want me texting her, because she was placing and receiving important calls throughout the meetings, so she couldn't silence her phone.

My response:

"So why couldn't you just explain that yesterday? Verizon's stupid reluctance to release important details is rubbing off on you."

I followed that with an angry smiley.

She hasn't texted back.

What a tease.

 

[TheRoosevelt]

I thought so...until I just tried on my tbolt. Took 1 min 30secs. Yikes. I wouldn't necesarily consider it current gen but I do see your point. I had thought sarcasm because I remember reading somewhere that the razr time was 20-30 secs, don't remeber where though. Anyways, I figured of the razr gets that time then 40 secs must not be considered fast. Guess that thinking was wrong

Just checked Youtube and the Bionic boot time is around 50 seconds.

While practically speaking, boot time doesn't have much application if you don't turn your phone off much, but it does give you a good idea of speed in general, doesn't it? The more bloated the OS is, and therefore the more things to load on boot, the slower it'll be right?

I'm no expert, like I said, this is gonna be my first really good smartphone, so we'll see.

 

[BabyBlues]

My sister finally got back to me. She was in meetings with executives all day. She didn't want me texting her, because she was placing and receiving important calls throughout the meetings, so she couldn't silence her phone.

My response:

"So why couldn't you just explain that yesterday? Verizon's stupid reluctance to release important details is rubbing off on you."

I followed that with an angry smiley.

She hasn't texted back.

You in trouble now!!!!

 

[OfTheDamned]

I'm glad you mentioned the freezing. That is my number one complaint with my Droid Charge. I think the freezing has something to do with the small amount RAM. But freezing on a phone is absolutely unnecessary and annoying. How many android phones out there freeze? All of them? Is it something we just live with?

I really hope the Nexus solves the freezing. When I want to make a phone call I shouldn't have to wait for my phone to do a hot boot.

I read someplace (no idea of the validity) that with Samsung devices running TouchWiz that a lot of the freezing can be attributed to the way Samsung did the file system. It isn't standard and therefor can cause problems.

Now, phone freezing in general can be attributed to the cache in many cases. Clearing out the cache on your apps and with some phones the call log as well can speed things up a bit. Sounds contrary to what you would imagine, but it works on plenty of the older phones.

The Nexus should not have the file system that other Samsung devices have had. I think they even changed that for the SGS2 as well.

 

[Trooper]

You in trouble now!!!!

Indeed he is.

 

[wedgemoose]

No offense meant, wedge. I was just saying that we all know P3 likes being treated like a god, so anything less isn't going to get anything out of him.
Anyway, in retrospect I suppose it was worth the effort, same result either way

Wow, this day was weird. We got bad news, but did we really? I don't think anything we heard can really be counted as news. Just more sludge from the bad-rumor mill. It's been frustrating.
I'm gonna blame it on Monday. When in doubt, blame it on Monday.
Tomorrow will be better (I hope).

No offense at all. I know what you meant exactly. I was saying it as "we already tried the nice way" so i tried the "nice way with a little something else". But it still didn't work.

We will all know someday......cry cry cry. until then it's all a guessing game

 

[MMcCraryNJ]

I read someplace (no idea of the validity) that with Samsung devices running TouchWiz that a lot of the freezing can be attributed to the way Samsung did the file system. It isn't standard and therefor can cause problems.

Now, phone freezing in general can be attributed to the cache in many cases. Clearing out the cache on your apps and with some phones the call log as well can speed things up a bit. Sounds contrary to what you would imagine, but it works on plenty of the older phones.

The Nexus should not have the file system that other Samsung devices have had. I think they even changed that for the SGS2 as well.

That's pretty much spot on. For my Vibrant, the stock ROMs use the RFS file system, which is a Samsung-based FS. It is painfully slow on read/writes and it causes a lot of issues with data corruption.

I have never seen it "freeze" my phone totally, but it does make it lag like crazy. With a medium-loaded phone, sometimes it would take 5-10 seconds to get an app to open after you tap on it.

This is gone however as of the Nexus S, which doesn't use it. Also, all of the original Galaxy S variants have a hack from supercurio called "Voodoo Lag Fix", which runs on boot and converts all of the RFS partitions to EXT4. After that is done, it is pretty smooth. All of the lag caused by RFS disappears.

 

[Interestingman]

All of them freeze. Even the coveted iPhone freezes (albeit less). My tbolt and the droid x I used to have freeze. Its a sad (and annoying) fact of owning a smartphone...Sometimes they are not so smart

Indeed. Every smartphone I've had freezes up occasionally - even the fruit. I preemptively do battery pulls, restarts or clear the cache to keep it from happening. Nothing worse than needing to make a phone call and you have to do a battery pull first.

Looking forward to better performance on the SGN, but will still probably pull the battery once a week.

 

[BabyBlues]

That's pretty much spot on. For my Vibrant, the stock ROMs use the RFS file system, which is a Samsung-based FS. It is painfully slow on read/writes and it causes a lot of issues with data corruption.

I have never seen it "freeze" my phone totally, but it does make it lag like crazy. With a medium-loaded phone, sometimes it would take 5-10 seconds to get an app to open after you tap on it.

This is gone however as of the Nexus S, which doesn't use it. Also, all of the original Galaxy S variants have a hack from supercurio called "Voodoo Lag Fix", which runs on boot and converts all of the RFS partitions to EXT4. After that is done, it is pretty smooth. All of the lag caused by RFS disappears.

in red is where my eyes glazed over and went into 'what is that??!!' mode.

 

[wedgemoose]

Here's a funny one for you guys. I called Verizon today for something and brought up the Gnex. Not only did she not know what i was talking about. she asked me for a few websites so she could go look at it. I had to give here the specs!!!!!!!

The funny part is, she said "WOW, i'm saving my upgrade for that phone now. I was going to get the 4S".

She loved it.
She also said i was the 20th person to ask her about that phone today.

 

[RadYOacTiVe]

Yes, the Charge has an RFS file system vs EXT4 in other android phones.

I would like to see confirmation that this has changed with the GNex.

I read someplace (no idea of the validity) that with Samsung devices running TouchWiz that a lot of the freezing can be attributed to the way Samsung did the file system. It isn't standard and therefor can cause problems.

Now, phone freezing in general can be attributed to the cache in many cases. Clearing out the cache on your apps and with some phones the call log as well can speed things up a bit. Sounds contrary to what you would imagine, but it works on plenty of the older phones.

The Nexus should not have the file system that other Samsung devices have had. I think they even changed that for the SGS2 as well.

 

[OfTheDamned]

That's pretty much spot on. For my Vibrant, the stock ROMs use the RFS file system, which is a Samsung-based FS. It is painfully slow on read/writes and it causes a lot of issues with data corruption.

I have never seen it "freeze" my phone totally, but it does make it lag like crazy. With a medium-loaded phone, sometimes it would take 5-10 seconds to get an app to open after you tap on it.

This is gone however as of the Nexus S, which doesn't use it. Also, all of the original Galaxy S variants have a hack from supercurio called "Voodoo Lag Fix", which runs on boot and converts all of the RFS partitions to EXT4. After that is done, it is pretty smooth. All of the lag caused by RFS disappears.

Ah very good. I ran Voodoo for a while. Then the Froyo update came and that plus Voodoo messed up my phone really bad. So, now I am stock with root. The second reason I want the Nexus is to get rid of TouchWiz. The first is because I want the Nexus.

 

[RadYOacTiVe]

She was jerking your chain. She was asked 20 times about the phone but tells you she did not know what you were talking about.

Probably some sales rep trying to get her phone time up.

Here's a funny one for you guys. I called Verizon today for something and brought up the Gnex. Not only did she not know what i was talking about. she asked me for a few websites so she could go look at it. I had to give here the specs!!!!!!!

The funny part is, she said "WOW, i'm saving my upgrade for that phone now. I was going to get the 4S".

She loved it.
She also said i was the 20th person to ask her about that phone today.

 

[EKG]

My impatience is tempting me to pick up the RAZR....it looks so nice...but I want that ICS!!!! Gah. Verizon is killing me. I will not succumb to the RAZR!

EDIT: 500th post! This is a big moment...

 

[EarlyMon]

Just checked Youtube and the Bionic boot time is around 50 seconds.

While practically speaking, boot time doesn't have much application if you don't turn your phone off much, but it does give you a good idea of speed in general, doesn't it? The more bloated the OS is, and therefore the more things to load on boot, the slower it'll be right?

I'm no expert, like I said, this is gonna be my first really good smartphone, so we'll see.

Not an indication of end speed at all. During startup, I have both cores going full-tilt.

Depending on which configuration/junk-load-of-mine I've configured for (I do flash back and forth), my startup takes either about a minute or more than two. Yet all configurations run at the same high speed once loaded.

Get a bunch of apps vying for a net update on startup and that's going to slow startup, for example.

Startup time is by and large not an indication of anything other than the services started - and pre-starting more stuff rather than waiting can actually lead to a speed savings at normal run-time. With limited memory resources, that's not an absolute truth, but meant to illustrate that start-up time is mostly a meaningless metric for most of us.

And aside from flashing, I tinker with lots of app combinations and beta test for people - so I get memory hogs and failures that require me to restart to feel secure that I've cleared things out.

Said it before - I run Sense 3 - and my SGS2-toting pals have no pity for me in response - they're impressed to discover that their assumptions are just wrong on expected response time of my phone.

I'll stress it again - fast operation on a good dual-core phone is all about user configuration and sensible resource management by the kernel.

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And I'm not running crapware - all bets are off when you run carrier bloatware, I think that's just a given.