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[Official] Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE Pre-release thread - Sprint official launch is Saturday, June 2

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I agree with everyone here. I saw the Phandroid link and I am totally fine with that. It is like Windows. You want to change a default app association, then you change it. I don't see it as a big deal. The comments on that link state one guy won't get a phone because of that. Everyone has an opinion, but I still plan to get one. I have the OG Evo and friends on At&T left Iphone and I pointed them to an HTC last year.
The real question is.. If customs opens the phones to check, wouldn't they technically not be "new" phones anymore??
 
I agree with everyone here. I saw the Phandroid link and I am totally fine with that. It is like Windows. You want to change a default app association, then you change it. I don't see it as a big deal. The comments on that link state one guy won't get a phone because of that. Everyone has an opinion, but I still plan to get one. I have the OG Evo and friends on At&T left Iphone and I pointed them to an HTC last year.
The real question is.. If customs opens the phones to check, wouldn't they technically not be "new" phones anymore??

Welcome to the forums! :)

(Sorry we all missed saying that yesterday!)

I'd expect that customs will only spot-check a unit or two and that the loss is expected.

That just scares me even more. Anytime the word "litigation" shows up...oh boy. Again that to me says this is more than just customs needing to check out a few phones, it's Apple claiming that the issue was never fixed and they are still violating the patent. If so then this thing is going to stretch out. Can someone point me to an article that says otherwise?

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

From the article -

Taipei, May 17 (CNA) Minister of Economic Affairs Shih Yen-shiang said Thursday his ministry will provide smartphone vendor HTC Corp. with assistance, if necessary, to deal with the ongoing litigation on patent infringement brought against the Taiwanese firm by rival Apple Inc.

Shih told lawmakers at a legislative session that the ministry has kept in close touch with HTC to keep informed of the progress of the particular litigation.

I have a different takeaway on that, fwiw. Here's a snapshot of the HTC stock values -

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The rapid spike downwards was when the decision went against HTC and the market panicked. The news these past few days has hit them again.

HTC's loss impacts jobs and their GNP and it would have been odd had their government not shown themselves to be taking steps to support their one of their own industries in the face of this outrage.

Like I say, that's just my opinion - let's hope you're wrong about more litigation coming here.

If it does, as I said before, I hope Apple gets sued into the stone for restraint of trade when it comes out that HTC has corrected the (bs) issue and had product held up for no reason other that legal bullying.
 
Welcome to the forums! :)

(Sorry we all missed saying that yesterday!)

I'd expect that customs will only spot-check a unit or two and that the loss is expected.



Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

From the article -



I have a different takeaway on that, fwiw. Here's a snapshot of the HTC stock values -


The rapid spike downwards was when the decision went against HTC and the market panicked. The news these past few days has hit them again.

HTC's loss impacts jobs and their GNP and it would have been odd had their government not shown themselves to be taking steps to support their one of their own industries in the face of this outrage.

Like I say, that's just my opinion - let's hope you're wrong about more litigation coming here.

If it does, as I said before, I hope Apple gets sued into the stone for restraint of trade when it comes out that HTC has corrected the (bs) issue and had product held up for no reason other that legal bullying.

I could def. see that as well. All we can do is hope right now. We need a lawyer up in here to clear this up. The first article seemed to make it like this was a normal customs procedure that HTC and Sprint forgot about or something...but that just seems almost implausible to me and the fact that Engadget hinted that Apple was behind this just adds more fuel to fire. Certainly a head scratchier.
 
Also this would be bad for us but if somehow and I'm not saying this will happen or there is even a chance...but if the phone never got released those folks who got review units could make serious bank!
 
If it does, as I said before, I hope Apple gets sued into the stone for restraint of trade when it comes out that HTC has corrected the (bs) issue and had product held up for no reason other that legal bullying.
I hope so too! But like I said earlier, it's going to be an INCREDIBLY tough battle for HTC or the Govt this time (I think that's why Apple did it this way).

I'm not a lawyer, so I can't give legal advice or apply the law here, but I can tell you that you should Read This

The parts you may find interesting in this wikipedia article are:
Noerr-Pennington doctrine
"private entities are immune from liability under the antitrust laws for attempts to influence the passage or enforcement of laws, even if the laws they advocate for would have anticompetitive effects."
"Under the Noerr-Pennington doctrine,'[a] party who petitions the government for redress generally is immune from antitrust liability.'"
"Petitioning is immune from liability even if there is an improper purpose or motive."

Reason:
"The doctrine is grounded in the First Amendment protection of political speech, and "upon a recognition that the antitrust laws, 'tailored as they are for the business world, are not at all appropriate for application in the political arena.'"

Scope:
"Private parties may be immunized against liability stemming from antitrust injuries flowing from valid petitioning." Including "...liability arising from the antitrust injuries caused by government action which results from the petitioning."

Exception:
"There is a "sham" exception to the Noerr-Pennington doctrine which holds that using the petitioning process simply as an anticompetitive tool without legitimately seeking a positive outcome to the petitioning destroys immunity."
"The sine qua non of a "sham" proceeding is not the purpose to harm a competitor, but rather the absence of any purpose to actually obtain government action. Thus, initiating an administrative proceeding that one actually hopes to win in order to harm one's competitors is within the ambit of the Noerr-Pennington doctrine, while initiating a similar proceeding that one does not meaningfully intend to win solely to delay one's business competitors is within the sham exception."

Even then, the exception only removes the immunity. It's not a cause of action in itself.




I hope HTC and/or the State can overcome the hurdles necessary to nail Apple to the wall. But it seems that such a battle will be, not only an uphill one, but practically vertical, like fighting uphill while rock climbing.
 
Hey guys, so how long does everyone think this hold up will take? I know 'nothings been confirmed' & all that, but just figured i'd ask for some opinions.

I personally hope not too long, my shift is on its last leg. I preordered from best buy, will cross my fingers and call them tomorrow but hope by early next week it will be available. But from customs, i have no idea how long the shipping to warehouses/etc takes, thats why i ask, maybe someone has some kind of idea? My upgrade was availble feb 1 & ive been (kind of im-)patiently waiting for this phone. *cant wait*

Side note. Ive been stalking this thread, among a few others, and love all the info always posted here, thanks to everyone for always sharing info! Even the unconfirmed rumors! (That usually wind up being true!)
 
Regarding anti-trust, that would nice but Microsoft was much more obviously guilty and look how long that took, and how little was done.

Restraint of trade would be a civil action, and juries are known to award to five times the actual damages and that's upheld because when trade is restrained by underhanded practices, the guilty must be dissuaded from attempting it again.

So - I am not a lawyer - but it wouldn't bother me to see one at Sprint stand up and use 5x the original Evo sales figures, adjusted for inflation and adjusted for the larger smartphone market today than 2010, as a basis for a suit.

I don't know if HTC or Sprint has the will to try that with Apple, but with a potential for 10x the original Evo sales figures, plus the ability to make Apple think twice about this - mighty tempting.

Then again - there's that wonderful iPhone contract that Sprint committed to, so I doubt they'll do it. But I'd like to see it done anyway.

I'd like to see Apple's stock take a hit for finally being called out for what they've become and what they are.

PS to Orion - c'mon, you're not done. Little button to the lower right... c'mon, you know you want to. :rofl:
 
I like how my status went from on or before 5-18-12 to on or before the national launch date.

And I think we should be able to thank our own posts. This is our right as Americans and as or soon to be android users. I want to start a petition for that. Who is with me?
 
I like how my status went from on or before 5-18-12 to on or before the national launch date.

And I think we should be able to thank our own posts. This is our right as Americans and as or soon to be android users. I want to start a petition for that. Who is with me?

There. Is. Absolutely. Only. One. Possible. Response. To. That. Idea.

SLY AND THE FAMILY STONE THANK YOU FALETTINME BE MICE ELF AGIN - YouTube

Enjoy! :) :rock:

OK, that was so good, here's the longer live version from Soul Train! :)

That song just needs two listens on days like this. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ptrc2cWRxU
 
Someone mentioned getting this story out into the press yesterday.

My wife is a television (news) producer. I told her all about this story, even the technical boring stuff (her words, not mine) and she indeed had the story in her show last night.

We live in Kansas City, Sprint HQ being about 5 miles away.

So even though it wasn't top-of-the-show ~cough~ "Breaking News" it did make the show and I'm sure made an impact.
 
Someone mentioned getting this story out into the press yesterday.

My wife is a television (news) producer. I told her all about this story, even the technical boring stuff (her words, not mine) and she indeed had the story in her show last night.

We live in Kansas City, Sprint HQ being about 5 miles away.

So even though it wasn't top-of-the-show ~cough~ "Breaking News" it did make the show and I'm sure made an impact.

Excellent!

Since Hesse was voted back in yesterday, maybe he has time now to comment on this debacle.

PS - tell Mz. Skid71, many thanks from the gang here! :)
 
I hope this is true - it's from a Phandroid comment on the HTC workaround story -

this doesn't work like it should, though, as there's no option for things like links for YouTube. to disable their workaround, you must be rooted. just rename HtcLinkifyDispatcher.apk to HtcLinkifyDispatcher.apk.bak =) now you'll get that pop-up window back.

I am so going to try this when they come out.

BTW - hey Apple, blow me a little kiss. :cool:
 
I wish Google would help out. And even if they can't help HTC right now I hope google is sifting through all the Motorola patents they have to find a few legitimate patents apple infringes and at least try to show you care about your OEMs. Google I think would crucify apple and that's why apple never goes after google.
 
If the Htc Evo 4G LTE is being held up in customs, how are the Htc One X phones being shipped? I was watching American Idol last night (wife made me do it) the contestants were given those with the wireless Beats box.

If the phone's base software is technically the same how is there a block one and not the other? Which if not mistaken, Apple's suit involves the way Sense handles messaging and an API level?
 
If the Htc Evo 4G LTE is being held up in customs, how are the Htc One X phones being shipped? I was watching American Idol last night (wife made me do it) the contestants were given those with the wireless Beats box.

If the phone's base software is technically the same how is there a block one and not the other? Which if not mistaken, Apple's suit involves the way Sense handles messaging and an API level?

Unlike the LTEvo, some of the One X phones were already here.

That supply is drying or dried up, and the shipment in question has the One X and LTEvo models being held hostage.
 
If the Htc Evo 4G LTE is being held up in customs, how are the Htc One X phones being shipped? I was watching American Idol last night (wife made me do it) the contestants were given those with the wireless Beats box.

If the phone's base software is technically the same how is there a block one and not the other? Which if not mistaken, Apple's suit involves the way Sense handles messaging and an API level?

The One X is being held up in customs as well, but those were released way before this whole thing started Tuesday night.
 
If the Htc Evo 4G LTE is being held up in customs, how are the Htc One X phones being shipped? I was watching American Idol last night (wife made me do it) the contestants were given those with the wireless Beats box.

If the phone's base software is technically the same how is there a block one and not the other? Which if not mistaken, Apple's suit involves the way Sense handles messaging and an API level?
There was a deadline by which HTC had to comply with the ITC ruling on the infringing practice. From what I understand, it did before that and One X phones were shipped in large quantities here.

Either the ITC/Customs or Apple decided to do a product check to enforce this ruling in the past few days, and this is holding up both One X and Evo shipments equally. The only difference is that the One X has been on sale for the past month or so there is existing inventory.
 
So how long do you think this whole debacle will take? I understand we don't have any idea but just a guestimate. I think it will go on sale maybe next week.
 
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