I totally agree with that, past behavioural history may have warranted confiscating the laptop permanently, but handling the way he did is immature and totally over the top.
Not a good example at all.
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Parenting win! Parent shoots kids laptop with a .45 as punishment.
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I totally agree with that, past behavioural history may have warranted confiscating the laptop permanently, but handling the way he did is immature and totally over the top.
Not a good example at all.
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TxGoat
Guest
And yet you're applauding a guy that's destroying property that he most likely paid for out of his own pocket to teach his daughter a lesson.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Indeed I am. Its about time parents started standing up to their children.
...or would you rather the child be undisciplined? Oh, I know, you'd be one of those parents that say "ground him/her" which obviously hasn't worked.
Oh, I know, let the kid do whatever he/she wants. Because that seems to be working real great for Generation-X.
As has been said there are other options to punish her that could have been better. He could have made her ride with him to goodwill and made her donate the laptop herself. The way he handled it gives me the impression that he was mad and got his gun to get even.
It has been said that the decision on how to parent is the responsibility of a child's parents alone which I can agree with but IIRC he posted this as a how to lesson so remember if your child does something that crosses you get your gun and camera
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
Darn it, I've gone and made my friend sad.
etc. Kidding aside.. the point of those who disagree with my take (and more importantly, my emphasis) on this and peripheral issues is not lost on me at all, and is the reason I go ahead with my thoughts about it from that standpoint (the child abuse thing).
I budge a bit on the thing of parental freedom to do as they choose, but I can't go over to the total "freedom to parent as they choose" side when safety of the kid is at stake. And that's a bit of a stretch in this one I admit, but it's brought up because it is on that "slippery slope" with regard to guns.
I've stated enough on it now to feel like the thread is better served with a reminder about the OP. It's just that it brings up:
- firearms responsibility (the shooter's actions could be seen as "plinking," which I do often in the country, using everything from soft drink cans and ice cream sticks to paper targets and pop-up police training apparatus)
- "parenting" wrongly or rightly
- shooter maturity in videoing the event for bravado and putting it up on the internet (I'm sure the kid's friends and others she knows are deriving a full spectrum of reactions to seeing that video, more child abuse that could have been thought of ahead of time, in my opinion: public humiliation, etc)
It's a done deal.. and I do worry about the kid now, at her home as well as out in the world. I wonder what she's having to deal with, whereas before it was just an issue at home.
Dark Jedi
Android Enthusiast
This is typical thinking of today's society. When it deals with a kid there has to be something outside that influenced the child's reaction. Its never the child's fault. Blame is always placed elsewhere. Then you have the parent who is held accountable for their actions and there isn't the same compassion of it has to be an outside source influences his or her actions.
How about hold the child accountable for their actions and not give them excuses. You heard her own words from Facebook. She is a spoiled brat and a father at his last straw to try and correct the way she thinks. Sometimes it takes extreme actions to open a kids eyes. What he did isn't child abuse as the child wasn't present for what happen. She wasn't physically or emotionally hurt.
Also what kid don't exaggerate on what they don't like. I am sure she had chores. Heck we all did but I doubt it was to the extremes she posted. Hell they had a cleaning lady lol. When a child don't like something they will make it sound line they are treated so terribly. Heck my son I could grab his wrist and hold it loose to where he could pull it out my thumb and index finger. He will scream bloody murder and yell how I am crushing his arm and he can make you believe him. He is that convencing.
So if your going to hold the parent accountable. Then hold the child accountable also and stop giving them loop holes to jump through. Heck all kids lies and exaggerate the truth to make them look like the victims. Their parents ad the monsters they are not.
How about hold the child accountable for their actions and not give them excuses. You heard her own words from Facebook. She is a spoiled brat and a father at his last straw to try and correct the way she thinks. Sometimes it takes extreme actions to open a kids eyes. What he did isn't child abuse as the child wasn't present for what happen. She wasn't physically or emotionally hurt.
Also what kid don't exaggerate on what they don't like. I am sure she had chores. Heck we all did but I doubt it was to the extremes she posted. Hell they had a cleaning lady lol. When a child don't like something they will make it sound line they are treated so terribly. Heck my son I could grab his wrist and hold it loose to where he could pull it out my thumb and index finger. He will scream bloody murder and yell how I am crushing his arm and he can make you believe him. He is that convencing.
So if your going to hold the parent accountable. Then hold the child accountable also and stop giving them loop holes to jump through. Heck all kids lies and exaggerate the truth to make them look like the victims. Their parents ad the monsters they are not.
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TxGoat
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As someone else pointed out, the parent seems immature with his approach. I'm sure that has something to do with the child's behavior. It's not about "Standing up to their children", one stands up to a bully, to a corrupt system. One disciplines a child, teaches a child how to be respectful. That didn't take place here, but if you want to applaud this guy because you think he's showing upstanding parenting skills, go right ahead. We're all entitled to our opinions.
I know the area where he lives so seeing that the police have applauded him is no shock to me. My cousin who lives in the same city started dipping there when he was 12, I asked where he got it and he said he buys it at the store just like everyone else in his school. Kinda a backwood country area not that there is anything wrong with that.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Yes.. a lot of people seem to forget.. the gun culture there is vastly different than most parts of the world. It's ingrained into their lives. So all the liberdem type people who feel "Gun Control" is a must "for the kids" and to help against "terrorist" are certainly going to be those that are most in shock.
AntimonyER
CHANGED FROM AF ADDICT MIKESTONY
His response to the whole incident sure doesn't seem like a deranged, violent, dangerous gun toting dad to me. Seems pretty honest with himself about the whole situation. He regrets smoking the cigarette and cussing, because he wants to set a better example. But has no regrets about using the gun to destroy the laptop. Again, I stand by my original statement, this guy loves his daughter and just wants her to be an upstanding citizen.
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
Well. .. ok.
It's just that love isn't everything.
Upstanding citizens do make marginal to bad choices in dealing with family, though. He did that, in my opinion.
That guy had so many other alternatives to using a weapon against the computer that I do question his seeming regrets about it.. he's already proven his showmanship by recording the event, and showmen have a way of thinking through their actions along with their perceived notions of the viewers' reactions. This guy thought it through quite thoroughly, anticipating how to perform for the audience (your) reactions.
If it were just about his kid's reactions, there would have been no video.
If it would have been a confiscation and delivery to a distant relative or secured locker somewhere, no video.
If it would have been a counselling environment with a true, proven expert on parent/child relationships, no video.
If it would have been bringing well liked peer of the daughter, who agreed with the dad, into the discussion, no video. If it would have been .. ad infinitum.
This guy's other efforts are well noted, but .. no video. The video is about the #$%&! gun. The destruction. The macho (read, "bully") persona.
Dark Jedi
Android Enthusiast
How do you know he hasn't used many alternative options? You don't know what he had done to get to this situation.Well. .. ok.
It's just that love isn't everything.
Upstanding citizens do make marginal to bad choices in dealing with family, though. He did that, in my opinion.
That guy had so many other alternatives to using a weapon against the computer that I do question his seeming regrets about it.. he's already proven his showmanship by recording the event, and showmen have a way of thinking through their actions along with their perceived notions of the viewers' reactions. This guy thought it through quite thoroughly, anticipating how to perform for the audience (your) reactions.
If it were just about his kid's reactions, there would have been no video.
If it would have been a confiscation and delivery to a distant relative or secured locker somewhere, no video.
If it would have been a counselling environment with a true, proven expert on parent/child relationships, no video.
If it would have been bringing well liked peer of the daughter, who agreed with the dad, into the discussion, no video. If it would have been .. ad infinitum.
The video is about the #$%&! gun. The destruction. The macho (read, "bully") persona.
Lust the video isn't about the gun. The gun was holstered during the whole video. He never once brought the gun up until he was ready to shoot the laptop. You choose to focus on the gun than how a child talks about her parents negatively. Who are you to judge this mans actions? Do you hold a degree in child upbringing? What makes you the expert to tell him he is wrong? You have nothing and no right as you are just like every other parent trying to raise their child they best he or she can. Its on tape because this is a digital age. Everything is taped no a days and I bet he wanted it for future problems. The kid acts up again and he just has to pop the tape in. She already knows he did it once and will do it again.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Well. .. ok.
It's just that love isn't everything.
Upstanding citizens do make marginal to bad choices in dealing with family, though. He did that, in my opinion.
That guy had so many other alternatives to using a weapon against the computer that I do question his seeming regrets about it.. he's already proven his showmanship by recording the event, and showmen have a way of thinking through their actions along with their perceived notions of the viewers' reactions. This guy thought it through quite thoroughly, anticipating how to perform for the audience (your) reactions.
If it were just about his kid's reactions, there would have been no video.
If it would have been a confiscation and delivery to a distant relative or secured locker somewhere, no video.
If it would have been a counselling environment with a true, proven expert on parent/child relationships, no video.
If it would have been bringing well liked peer of the daughter, who agreed with the dad, into the discussion, no video. If it would have been .. ad infinitum.
The video is about the #$%&! gun. The destruction. The macho (read, "bully") persona.
No. The video was to fight fire with fire. To fight social media.. with social media. He's simply speaking the language of the younger generation, in a format they understand. Seems perfectly logical to me.
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TxGoat
Guest
Well. .. ok.
It's just that love isn't everything.
Upstanding citizens do make marginal to bad choices in dealing with family, though. He did that, in my opinion.
That guy had so many other alternatives to using a weapon against the computer that I do question his seeming regrets about it.. he's already proven his showmanship by recording the event, and showmen have a way of thinking through their actions along with their perceived notions of the viewers' reactions. This guy thought it through quite thoroughly, anticipating how to perform for the audience (your) reactions.
If it were just about his kid's reactions, there would have been no video.
If it would have been a confiscation and delivery to a distant relative or secured locker somewhere, no video.
If it would have been a counselling environment with a true, proven expert on parent/child relationships, no video.
If it would have been bringing well liked peer of the daughter, who agreed with the dad, into the discussion, no video. If it would have been .. ad infinitum.
The video is about the #$%&! gun. The destruction. The macho (read, "bully") persona.
The showing of the gun aside (as I don't really have any aversion to him
pulling out his gun and destroying property that he most likely purchased since it speaks more about his "intelligence" and his "Yeehaw" mentality), him posting the video to "show up" his daughter is the EXACT SAME behavior he's chastising his daughter for, "You disrespect me and your mother....by posting a nasty note about us on your Facebook page........So I'm going to destroy something of yours on video and post it on your Facebook page."
This seems like some sort of "one-upmanship" on the father's part and is most likely the reason that the daughter behaves the way she does. As a father all he's doing is reinforcing her behavior. "Oh look at all the hooting and hollering I got from my buddies because I shot my daughter's laptop (that I paid for) on Youtube and posted on her Facebook page! She got served, yeah dawg!" I'm sure a few days earlier, after the daughter's post, all her friends were admiring her Facebook antics in similar fashion.
Where some people see great parenting taking place, I see a father reinforcing his daughter's behavior with slight tones of "I have a gun, therefore you need to respect me", with a slight pinch of MTV's Jackass meets the old TV show Hee-Haw. But that's just my interpretation.
NO.. i see it different about the father posting it online. (not talking about the gun).
he tried other ways to correct her online behavior.. she obviously does not understand why it was bad.. why it we disrespectful.. why it upset the family.
so he did the "same" to her.. so that she can feel .. first hand why they felt.
she was embarrassed..and hurt... by the posting of personal family business.
he tried other ways to correct her online behavior.. she obviously does not understand why it was bad.. why it we disrespectful.. why it upset the family.
so he did the "same" to her.. so that she can feel .. first hand why they felt.
she was embarrassed..and hurt... by the posting of personal family business.
AntimonyER
CHANGED FROM AF ADDICT MIKESTONY
And I respect your interpretation, however different from my own.
I would suggest you consider this scenario. After the girl decides to bad mouth her parents, they decide as punishment, they will take away her laptop, and give it to charity. This girl, furious at her parents, starts venting at school to anyone who will listen, furthering the disrespect towards them.
The way he did it, she has to abide by the facts of the situation, because everyone knows EXACTLY what happened. Its a lot harder to disrespect them in this scenario. Now many people may form negative opinions, but it saves the daughter from being the one to express them, and in fact she may be compelled to defend them. (Which she did by stating she understood the punishment, and accepted it, defending her parents actions).
Just a different perspective on the situation
Dark Jedi
Android Enthusiast
It was never proved he existed lol. That's for another debate.
You can't ask your kids if you do a good job or not. They would be biased because it directly affects them. That would be like asking a crook if he was guilty or not. Of course he would say he wasn't guilty.
I have told my son when he gross up and has kids then judge me on how I corrected you. Views changes. When the kid grows up and has kids of his or hers own. It opens their eyes of how they acted as kids when they have to be the parent. I have told my mom I was sorry for the way I treated her and behaved. When I had my son and see what he does is the same as i did as a kid.
Parenting is the toughest job around and we try our best to do what's right. We may not get it right every time but we can learn from our mistakes and try to do better. I will be the first to say I am not the perfect father but I do my best and I think I have done a good job with my son so far. He may not like my tactics but he listens and if he doesn't he knows thee will be a punishment. Be it a spanking, sitting in his room, grounding, losing his video games, even position of attention. I don't do it because I like doing it. I do it because if I don't he will only get worse.
As another famous person said. Nip it in the bud. Deputy Barney Fife.
You can't ask your kids if you do a good job or not. They would be biased because it directly affects them. That would be like asking a crook if he was guilty or not. Of course he would say he wasn't guilty.
I have told my son when he gross up and has kids then judge me on how I corrected you. Views changes. When the kid grows up and has kids of his or hers own. It opens their eyes of how they acted as kids when they have to be the parent. I have told my mom I was sorry for the way I treated her and behaved. When I had my son and see what he does is the same as i did as a kid.
Parenting is the toughest job around and we try our best to do what's right. We may not get it right every time but we can learn from our mistakes and try to do better. I will be the first to say I am not the perfect father but I do my best and I think I have done a good job with my son so far. He may not like my tactics but he listens and if he doesn't he knows thee will be a punishment. Be it a spanking, sitting in his room, grounding, losing his video games, even position of attention. I don't do it because I like doing it. I do it because if I don't he will only get worse.
As another famous person said. Nip it in the bud. Deputy Barney Fife.
Some famous dude once said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Why don't we ask our own children to join the discussion and evaluate the parenting jobs we've all done? We all might not be as "right" as we think we are.
My son lost interest and when I told him what happens he watched then giggled and said he shot it then asked to watch it again. He is 4.
My daughter was too entertained with being able to touch the screen and make things like the play button appear and disappear then asked for.juice and the potty. She is 2.
Perhaps my kids are too little to provide any real incite as to if shooting a laptop is an effective parenting technique
Roze
Hiding behind a mystery
I was a perfect angel as a kid
I answered, 'Yes Sir and Ma'am' when an adult talked to. I never interrupt when an adult is talking unless I am spoken to and given permission to speak. I was taught to never talked back to an adult. My room is always cleaned. I do well in school. I pray that when I have kids...he/she will be just like me. Think that's possible? lol<5 years old is the BEST age
DO IT!My son is 22. I'd ask him, but he's likely to tell the truth.
Dark Jedi
Android Enthusiast
Lets hear about the teenage years lolI was a perfect angel as a kid
<5 years old is the BEST age
DO IT!