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Waiting patiently for OTA to come to my wife's Eris, will log as soon as that happens. Hopefully I still get the OTA after rooting, upgrading to 2.1 rom, then downgrading and flashing hboot back to 1.5...

If anyone sees me sleeping on the couch, it's because my wife's OTA didn't happen :(
 
I have looked, I didnt see anyone getting it today..

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or last night for that matter.
Not 1 person since yesterday morning. Last report I remember was around 11am
Not even reports of people knowing people who got it since then.
Sure they start out small, but it seems to be even smaller today, or non-existent.
But with the droid they did take a day off before they re-started again.
Maybe that is what today is.
 
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or last night for that matter.
Not 1 person since yesterday morning. Last report I remember was around 11am
Not even reports of people knowing people who got it since then.
Sure they start out small, but it seems to be even smaller today, or non-existent.
But with the droid they did take a day off before they re-started again.
Maybe that is what today is.

I suspect Big Red is taking the "pee in the pool" approach. Let out a little bit, make sure it doesn't turn the pool red, no massive panic, then let it flow!!! :D
 
With the Droid they did 1,000 at 11:59pm then waited 24 hours, and then did a larger batch.
With the Eris they did it before 11:59pm, but it also seems to have ended by 12pm noon on the 12th.
If they are taking a 24 hour break as they did with the droid, Im thinking we should see some reports around midnight tonight? Hoping anyway.
 
Dude, I give up trying to show evidence of people that frequent this forum getting the update. It is on the way. I'm not worried about it. However, now even Caddy is supporting the statement that v3 = official OTA.

I already have v3 installed so.........
 
Dude, I give up trying to show evidence of people that frequent this forum getting the update. It is on the way. I'm not worried about it. However, now even Caddy is supporting the statement that v3 = official OTA.

I already have v3 installed so.........

gotcha.
I agree. I realized yesterday when the people that did receive the OTA reported that the things deleted from the .pdf indeed were excluded from the update.
With all of the numbers matching, and no improvements over the v3 leak that were supposed to be there originally, it sure does seem to be the same. And now some more reputable posters are finally coming to support that idea.
Also like I said, I am thinking they are in the middle of a 24 hour break right now, and it should start back up tonight.
With the droid though, they explained how the process would go before it started, and people knew exactly when it would start (down to the minute), how many people would receive it on each day, and that there would be a break.
Would have been nice to have an explanation detailing exactly how this OTA is being rolled out. Seems like people think tons more people should have gotten it today, and when it didnt happen it caused mass panic.
They have kept us in the dark for months and months, and a simple press release or something like what they did with the droid could have avoided all this craziness.
 
Well guys... I'll be at work from 2300-0730 PT tonight and will definitely keep everyone posted. Even taking my camera with me just in case.
 
Coupla comments.

First, if this works, the immediate benefit will go to the devs: they will be able to unpack the contents of the Verizon .zip file and use them to release ROMs incorporating the latest and greatest (or bug fixes) from HTC/Big Red. After that happens, of course, the benefit will go the wider community - mostly folks who have already rooted, or who hold off installing the OTA in order to root and then get the benefit of the bugfixes/enhancements in the OTA software in a few days time.

What it will not do, though, is let non-rooters get the OTA update quicker. Why? Because the OTA delivers the .zip file into the /cache directory on the phone... and you need to have root privilege to do that. Sure, non-rooters can assemble the URL, and download the .zip file from Google's servers... but if they are not root, there's no way for them to stuff it into the right place on the phone or twiddle a couple of magic bits that make the phone recognize that it's there when the phone reboots. So, they will still need to wait around to get the OTA. If you are planning on staying "factory", and just want to help out, then: Thank you, your assistance is appreciated! But if you are helping because you think it will help others get the OTA a few days earlier - you're barking up the wrong tree.

Second, the savvy devs can certainly do this as well - they just need to roll their phones back to 1.5, get the OTA download, boot into recovery, and re-flash one of their saved ROMs to overwrite the OTA. So, eventually, folks with the right skills will get this job done. Having more people attempting it will get it done earlier, though; so please help out if you are inclined.

Third, it appears that some folks who are trying to set this up on the SDK computer are not too familiar with the command line, whether that is on a PC, Mac, or Linux. To those folks: thank you for your generousity. Setting up the SDK is a bit time consuming, and if you don't have a lot of experience doing this sort of thing, it can be confusing, and easy to mis-interpret what you are seeing - which results in it not working and frustration.

There are a couple of common mis-steps that I see in some of the posts above; if you are having trouble getting things going, check these things first. I'll give an outline first, and then more detail after the outline. [ Note: experienced users will already know all this stuff - this is for folks having troubles. ]

1) Connectivity to the phone; do you have it?
2) PATH setup issues.
3) Not understanding what ">" does on the command line.

OK, here goes
1) Connectivity issues.

If you are connected to the phone with the USB cable, and you have successfully installed the SDK and the device driver, and have enabled USB debugging on the phone, you should be able to check to see if you are successfully connected to the phone by typing the command:

adb devices

at the command line prompt. (And of course, hitting the enter key after you've typed it in :p ).

If things are not set up correctly, you might see the adb command report strange messages like "waiting on the phone", et cetera.

If everything is set up correctly, the above command should display your phone's identifier, which starts with "HT", and is composed of upper-case letters and digits (mine is 12 characters long, and starts with "HT9A"). Get this working before you experiment with "adb logcat".

If you can't get this working, the things to check are the driver install, the toggle state of the USB debugging setting on your phone (Settings...Applications...Development...USB debugging). Probably it is also a good idea to turn on the "Stay awake" toggle in that same menu as well.

Note that if you run the "adb logcat" command without redirecting it's output to a file using the "> filename.txt" technique, you should see it displaying all sorts of things as you remain connected with the USB cable and fool with different apps on your phone. Seeing this happening should convince you that adb is communicating with the phone correctly before you begin accepting the OTA update. (Hit Control-C to stop the "adb" command when trying this.)


(2) PATH setup issues.

A couple of folks have reported that they installed the SDK, but got messages like "not found" (Unix/Mac) or "Command or Program Not Found" (Windows). This has nothing to do with the SDK - it's the way that command shells work in Unix (including Mac Terminal) and also in Windows "cmd" or "command" windows. There is a list of folders (directories) that are searched every time you enter a command - if the folder containing the SDK command "adb" (on Windows, it will be "adb.exe") is not in that list, then you'll get something similar to the above error message: "command not found".

You can fix this up by following the instructions in Step #2 of the Android SDK Install Instructions

Alternatively, if the current directory is in your PATH, (symbolically represented by the component "."), instead of fixing up your PATH environment variable, you can just "CD" to the tools folder of the SDK and run the adb command.



3) Not understanding what ">" does on the command line.

One or two folks said something like "it just sits there", or "the command wasn't found, but it produced the file logcat_accept.txt anyway" :D

What is going on is that the ">" character on the command line you entered causes any output from the adb program to be captured onto a file, rather than being displayed on your screen.

Normally, the "adb logcat" command will just continue to run forever unless you kill it (Control-C), or if the PC loses connection to the phone (for instance, if the phone reboots to start the OTA install, or if you yanked the USB cable out). So, yeah: if you run

adb logcat > logcat_accept.txt

and you "don't see anything happening" - that's normal! Believe me, there is lots of output piling up inside that file... and "adb logcat" will not stop running until you interrupt it (Control-C), or the phone reboots.

As for the person that wrote (paraphrased) "the SDK didn't install correctly, but I got a file anyway, I'll just point out that you could type anything as a command, such as

there_is_no_such_command > logcat_accept.txt

and it will produce a zero-length file in the current directory.

Finally, note that there is nothing special about the file name "logcat_accept.txt" - you can name it anything you want, but it is a good idea to use a .txt extension so that it will be recognized by your OS as a "plain text" file.


Hope this helps someone

eu1
 
@erisuser
We don't know what's exactly in that zip so if we go back to stock and get the update, it could over write our recovery thus removing root permanently, yes we could try and stop installing, but them we might just have a Pretty brick sitting on our desk, and the thing about this not benefitting leakers is wrong because where do you think the ota is saved...ON OUR SD CARD. Its not saved in our phone. the script to continue installation after reboot is in the cache which leakers can't write to but don't need if we start the installation from boot loader. Why do you think that when we did leaks it rebooted? To install the right hboot and then continue installation. I'm about 90 % sure that the ota can be installed by just having it on your root of the sf card and booting into boot loader.
Sorry for long post and all the mistakes in it but I'm doing it fast from my phone.
 
Droid App, Log Collector, can send the log directly from the phone via mail, though beware it is going to be one _long_ email. Also don't know if the log for entire installation is appended to when the phone reboots after installation.
 
We will need more instructions for a Mac. If I had my PC with me, this would be no problem. Right now I only have my MBP which I've only had for about a week.

Edit: Sorry, I'm new to OSX and it took me a minute to find the Terminal.

For those running Mac OSX

1. Download the Mac Android SDK
2. Go to Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal
3. Navigate to where your Android SDK folder is located using the CD (change directory) command.
4. Type adb logcat > logcat_accept.txt

You will get an error that adb is not a valid command, however it still creates a logcat_accept.txt file in the Android SDK folder.

If I receive the update, I will make sure the right people get the .txt file.

Real fast, I just tried this (no, I haven't received the update; just rehearsing) and, at least on my Mac, after navigating to the proper directory, the command should be:

./adb logcat > logcat_accept.txt

(You could also give the full path to adb instead of period slash, but ./ is much easier.) Also, if you have the finder opened to the tools directory, in the top of the finder windows you will notice there is a small folder icon. If you have the terminal open, type "cd" then space at the prompt, then you can fill in the rest of the path by dragging that folder icon down into the terminal window. It saves some typing, anyway.
 
I am also under the impression v3 is in fact OTA. Sorry guys.

Why would you think that?
Does V3 have pinch to zoom in maps? V3 has all the but fixes shown on the pdf from big red?
I'm running a rooted v3 and I don't have those...so I can say that Ota!=v3 sorry to say it but your are a **** if you think v3 is the ota, they might have the same version number but they are not the same. If the have the same version you can easily flash it over v3 leak.
 
Why would you think that?
Does V3 have pinch to zoom in maps? V3 has all the but fixes shown on the pdf from big red?
I'm running a rooted v3 and I don't have those...so I can say that Ota!=v3 sorry to say it but your are a **** if you think v3 is the ota, they might have the same version number but they are not the same. If the have the same version you can easily flash it over v3 leak.

You either have not paid any attention to any of the posts by the users who have already received the OTA, ,or you dont believe any of them.
But it has been reported over and over again that you do not get pinch to zoom for google maps in the OTA, you do not get friendstream, you do not get the voice to text microphone on your keyboard for texting, you do not get 3D gallery.
The OTA also has the 50% without signal bug, and the less signal bars bug, same as v3 leak.
 
@erisuser
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and the thing about this not benefitting leakers is wrong because where do you think the ota is saved...ON OUR SD CARD.

That could be correct... the past OTA updates were in /cache (see logcat message), but they were quite small - about 4-6 MB, whereas this will likely be much bigger as it replaces practically everything.

OTOH, try a

# cat /proc/mtd

and you'll see that the /cache partition (/dev/block/mtdblock4) is pretty large. Quite huge, actually - plenty large enough to hold a 100 MB file. And as far as rolling out OTAs to customers goes, VZW can be sure that the customer will have /cache available; whereas the same can not be said for SD cards. That's what makes me suspect they will use /cache - not only did they do past OTA updates that way, but also because they can be sure it will "take" onto the customer's phone. (I can easily imagine lots of customers pulling their SD cards for fear that the install will wipe their cards, for instance).

I'm willing to be corrected, though, and will admit that built into my statements was an assumption that HTC/VZW won't materially depart from what they did for past OTAs... anyone know for sure?

Why do you think that when we did leaks it rebooted? To install the right hboot and then continue installation.

For previously-experienced PB00IMG.ZIP install method, the new bootloader is installed *before* it even reboots, so, yes - there is a risk to a dev with a rooted phone that rolls back to 1.5 and initiates an OTA update - even with an immediate battery pull, as the S-OFF bootloader could have already been nuked. It's only 512 kB, so it flashes really fast.

But I never denied that this was a possibility... and I think that most of the devs have a pretty good idea what the risks are.

I'm about 90 % sure that the ota can be installed by just having it on your root of the sf card and booting into boot loader.
Sorry for long post and all the mistakes in it but I'm doing it fast from my phone.

I'm 90% sure that it won't. Not trying to start an argument though, because neither of us will really know for sure until someone actually goes through with it and observes what happens - and puts up a report of it somewhere. I'm happy to be corrected, if that's what happens.

For that matter, HTC/VZW could also just decide that there's no point of spewing that informational message that goes into the system log just before the reboot - and then this whole exercise would become moot.

eu1
 
You either have not paid any attention to any of the posts by the users who have already received the OTA, ,or you dont believe any of them.
But it has been reported over and over again that you do not get pinch to zoom for google maps in the OTA, you do not get friendstream, you do not get the voice to text microphone on your keyboard for texting, you do not get 3D gallery.
The OTA also has the 50% without signal bug, and the less signal bars bug, same as v3 leak.
Ok you caught I haven't been paying attention to other post, but according to your logic if ota has same bugs as v3 it means that v3=ota.
If we follow your logic v2& v1=ota, I mean both those previous releases had that audio bug...it could be almost the same, but v3 is not the ota....
 
Why would you think that?
Does V3 have pinch to zoom in maps? V3 has all the but fixes shown on the pdf from big red?
I'm running a rooted v3 and I don't have those...so I can say that Ota!=v3 sorry to say it but your are a **** if you think v3 is the ota, they might have the same version number but they are not the same. If the have the same version you can easily flash it over v3 leak.

Just because it's on that PDF from big red, doesn't mean it's true.. They've already changed it once, they can change it again at any time.
 
@erisuser yea but I doubt that they made the zip so you can only flash it as an actual ota I'm sure it can be flashed . But were getting off topic so lets agree to disagree.
 
Ok you caught I haven't been paying attention to other post, but according to your logic if ota has same bugs as v3 it means that v3=ota.
If we follow your logic v2& v1=ota, I mean both those previous releases had that audio bug...it could be almost the same, but v3 is not the ota....

I dont think that would be following my logic.
I dont see why you would make those conclusions.
Some other bugs from the previous leaks clearly have been fixed. Remember signing in to google after every reboot? (V1) Grainy contact pictures (V2)
Also some new features have been added since earlier versions.
The thing is that there are no further feature additions from v3 to OTA, and the same bugs that are still left on V3 are still present on OTA.
So those 2 are the same.
I dont see how anyone can conclude that OTA = the older leaks though. I thought it was blatantly obvious there have been many changes along the way.
 
I'm saying the just because they didn't fix the audio bug it doesn't mean that the v3=ota.
The fixes they implanted could be minimal and not big bugs like the audio, but again I say we cut it here and get back on topic.
I could wrong I hope I'm not wrong otherwise leakers are going to be stuck with acrapy OS.
 
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