Pouring out my Kool-Aid...

[johnlgalt]

^The latest ever so laggy Motoblur that getting decent reviews?

Was it just heat issues....or Moto developing their own LTE chip as the reasons for the delays?

Why did they switch to OMAP from Tegra 2 for the Bionic and Droid 3? Had to be for a reason...was that part of the delays too?

So you think the OMAP doesnt compare to the Exynos huh....take a peak at bench marks of the LG 3D and the Droid 3....

The GS2 is a great phone...but its not so far ahead of other phones thats its a no contest.
Thin, S Amoled +, Touchwiz....makes it a no contest...still dont see the no contest part. No contest for sleekness, yes. Everything else...I just dont see it.

EDIT: ....well.....if this is true:

Rumor: Samsung Galaxy S II LTE (Celox) to Have Super AMOLED HD Display

I would definitely give the screen edge to the GS2....lol

And the reason (the main reason) that that part in bold is true is the fact that, when it came out it was definitely a game changer - but that was 4+ months ago. More than enough time for other manufacturers to have caught up with it, and, dare I say, perhaps even surpassed it.

 

[HanSolo]

Here is the part you don't understand. It's not about how good your phone specs are, it's about how good your experience is with your smartphone.......

Okay, first of all, it has nothing to do about "understanding", because everyone's preference is subjective. What's awesome to me might be totally stupid to you and vice versa.

Let me put it into perspective for you. Average Android user change his/hers phone between 1-2 times a year......

I can't believe this for a second. 99% of Android users have an upgrade roughly every 18 months. You're telling me that the average Android user buys a new phone at an unsubsidized price every 6 to 12 months? If so, those people will NEVER be satisfied with anything they get, so any talk of what constitutes the best phone would be irrelevant to them.

So again, you can get cought up with specs, but for most users it's about the pleasure they get out of the sheer interaction with the UI and it's simplicity not complexity.

If this is the case, those users wouldn't be caught dead in these forums. They'd be over on Apple's fanboy sites and on overstock.com looking for cheap sleeping bags to buy for when they start waiting in line 2 weeks before the iPhone's release.

 

[johnlgalt]

I must be below average - I've had my DROID now for 1.75 years lol

Or, does that make me above average? I'm usually well above average in everything ele, so that sounds much better...

 

[jinwons]

And the reason (the main reason) that that part in bold is true is the fact that, when it came out it was definitely a game changer - but that was 4+ months ago. More than enough time for other manufacturers to have caught up with it, and, dare I say, perhaps even surpassed it.

I don't think SGS2 is surpassed by any others yet in terms of processing performance. Maybe caught up by Bionic closely though. Until Tegra3, OMAP4460 at higher clock arrives in phones like Nexus Prime, Dinara, SGS2 still has performance edge.
But as overall package with display, camera, form factor, etc, SGS2 is still the one to beat IMO.

 

[milan03]

If this is the case, those users wouldn't be caught dead in these forums. They'd be over on Apple's fanboy sites and on overstock.com looking for cheap sleeping bags to buy for when they start waiting in line 2 weeks before the iPhone's release.

That's probably true, but let's be real although and give the credit where deserved. We are constantly trying to tweak something, get better battery life, get gingerbread on our phones even though it's a year old OS, etc...
Apple got many things right, and they realize the bigger picture than most Android OEMs. They sell the emotional experience, have full control over the Hardware AND software, and the OS is always solid comparing to Android that always felt like beta software buggy and unstable. The best experience I've had was using vanilla gingerbread and that was far cry from being finished or stable. My thunderbolt is everything but a stable device.

I'm just being real.

 

[AntimonyER]

I have to say I have no complaints with the stability of my Thunderbolt. The only issue I have had is a number of app force closures, quite a few more than my incredible. However it is usually when it is running in the background, so is never very intrusive.

I can agree with Apple comments. A friend of mine who is very tech savvy is a very big Apple fan. And while he has been influenced by some of the propaganda, he will readily admit that my phones are more powerful and capable then his. But he is willing to make that compromise for the experience which he enjoys.

 

[HanSolo]

They sell the emotional experience, have full control over the Hardware AND software, and the OS is always solid.

I can agree with Apple comments. A friend of mine who is very tech savvy is a very big Apple fan. And while he has been influenced by some of the propaganda, he will readily admit that my phones are more powerful and capable then his. But he is willing to make that compromise for the experience which he enjoys.

I agree with both of these statements. Honestly, I have no idea why we're semi-arguing.

My wife has an iPhone and it's the best phone (to her) that she's ever had. And I have acknowledged on a different thread that the fact that Apple produces both hardware and software means that it will most likely always be the most reliable, user-friendly phone out there. That's why their sales will ALWAYS trump Android. The number of phone-geeks that like to tweak is far less than the number of people who simply want their phones to work and look nice. In fact, after a couple of years of rooting and trying this rom or that rom, I'm probably in the latter category. I would probably look past the disgusting experience that is iTunes and get an iPhone if it had a screen size bigger than 4 inches. I really don't care as much as others about processor speed, because I don't use my phone for gaming.

The most important thing to me is screen size and vibrancy, but I also don't want a phone that lags. I don't think anyone does, regardless of whether they like Apple or Android.

 

[rushmore]

The SGS2 has heat issues too and two others common concerns: battery life and wifi strength. There is no current perfect device and if the SGS2 gets LTE, it will be not much different in regards too heat and batter and size.

Both 45nm and one clocked 20% higher. Bionic is chubby to accommodate LTE and no reason the SGS2 would not gain size as well.

 

[jinwons]

The SGS2 has heat issues too and two others common concerns: battery life and wifi strength. There is no current perfect device and if the SGS2 gets LTE, it will be not much different in regards too heat and batter and size.

Both 45nm and one clocked 20% higher. Bionic is chubby to accommodate LTE and no reason the SGS2 would not gain size as well.

Heat and battery is valid concern. But leaked LTE SGS2 spec yesterday says it's only about 9.4mm thick and slick picture doesn't show any thick hump like Bionic.

 

[YankeeDudeL]

I don't think it's fair to say that the Bionic is using old tech. It may not be next gen tech, but it's current and will be a combination of current tech that's not in any other phone. Same can be said about SGS2. Nexus Prime/3/HD is pure speculation at this point with nothing confirmed. I mean we don't know who the carrier is or that Samsung is, indeed, the manufacturer (correct me if that has been confirmed). And the Vigor is HTC so I can't say I trust it it completely (though I really do like the Sensation).

The Bionic won't be so bionic for too long, sure. But it's gonna be the best phone on the best network when it drops. If you can wait for the next best thing, have at it. I just don't think I can.

But that Samsung Celox...god, why did you have to show your face.

 

[HanSolo]

The Bionic won't be so bionic for too long, sure. But it's gonna be the best phone on the best network when it drops. If you can wait for the next best thing, have at it. I just don't think I can.

But that Samsung Celox...god, why did you have to show your face.

Completely agree. The Bionic is going to be the best thing out for all of a few weeks, I'm sure. But the important thing (to me) is that the CPU and 4G capability will allow it to be perfectly fine and adequate for the 18 months or so I'm going to have it.

I'm so sick of this stupid waiting game. Celox, if you're here on the same day as Bionic, fine, we'll talk. If not, congrats to whoever gets it, or the Dinara, or the Prime.

I couldn't care less at this point.

 

[Vehtemas]

Completely agree. The Bionic is going to be the best thing out for all of a few weeks, I'm sure. But the important thing (to me) is that the CPU and 4G capability will allow it to be perfectly fine and adequate for the 18 months or so I'm going to have it.

I'm so sick of this stupid waiting game. Celox, if you're here on the same day as Bionic, fine, we'll talk. If not, congrats to whoever gets it, or the Dinara, or the Prime.

I couldn't care less at this point.

Exactly, the Bionic will last me for the 20 months I will have to keep it under contract, after that I will pickup whatever sweet 16 core phone with ultra amazing cooling that has a battery life of 15 seconds on a full charge.

One must eventually be happy with one's lot in life, or else one will lose said marbles.

 

[redraider1]

Just to be clear, I'd never get an iPhone. So my question is really directed to Motorola and VzW. What is their business strategy in deploying a phone that uses last generation's technology, at the same time that Apple will be releasing it's next-gen phone?

How is it last gen tech? ddr2 memory is way faster than memory in most current phones. Also dual core is dual core what do you expect? Also what is iphone coming with that is so next gen? only dual core, most likely less ram, same screen that has been on the phone since i4 just maybe bigger, no lte. I dont understand what people expect then they bitch and moan because battery is not very good but they want quad cores and all these other features that will drain battery. I am waiting to see what comes out in the next few months but people just expect to much for things that arent even out yet.

 

[tehsusenoh]

How is it last gen tech? ddr2 memory is way faster than memory in most current phones. Also dual core is dual core what do you expect? Also what is iphone coming with that is so next gen? only dual core, most likely less ram, same screen that has been on the phone since i4 just maybe bigger, no lte. I dont understand what people expect then they bitch and moan because battery is not very good but they want quad cores and all these other features that will drain battery. I am waiting to see what comes out in the next few months but people just expect to much for things that arent even out yet.

I mostly agree. Calling the Bionic last-generation while comparing it to an iPhone? Don't.

That being said, we are beginning to see devices just around the corner with 1.5+GHz, HD screens, ICS, near-field, etc.

But they put 8 months of effort into it, it would be ignorant to just throw it out because the iPhone 5 is coming.

I'm pretty sure, with some good advertising, the Bionic will be the hit of the summer (of course the summer is over, but still).

 

[rushmore]

I don't think it's fair to say that the Bionic is using old tech. It may not be next gen tech, but it's current and will be a combination of current tech that's not in any other phone. Same can be said about SGS2. Nexus Prime/3/HD is pure speculation at this point with nothing confirmed. I mean we don't know who the carrier is or that Samsung is, indeed, the manufacturer (correct me if that has been confirmed). And the Vigor is HTC so I can't say I trust it it completely (though I really do like the Sensation).

The Bionic won't be so bionic for too long, sure. But it's gonna be the best phone on the best network when it drops. If you can wait for the next best thing, have at it. I just don't think I can.

But that Samsung Celox...god, why did you have to show your face.

Due to the long dev cycles from design to release, all devices appear to be old tech, out of the gate

 

[HanSolo]

Due to the long dev cycles from design to release, all devices appear to be old tech, out of the gate

Especially if all you do is read the forums and get immersed in nothing but rumors and speculations of things 6 months down the pipeline.

To the average joe, the Bionic will be a beast.

 

[cybercruiser]

then wait and see what the Stratosphere and Vigor have to offer. You've waited this long.....that's the plan I'm following. I'm not jumping on the Bionic on day one.

Ditto, just hoping that the Startosphere and Vigor complete specs and release date are known before Sept 8th.

If either has a decent jump in specs and is less than 30 to 45 days beyond Bionic, I'll probably wait, as painful as that will be....

Not sure how much longer my D1, bought Day 1(Nov 6, 2009) can go???

 

[tehsusenoh]

To the average joe, the Bionic will be a beast.

I don't think that many people here are named Joe, if you catch my drift.