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While for the first time in my life I can vote absentee, I won't. It's a ritual of ours to make it to the polls. Something I kind of instilled into the minds of my children and now the grandkids. We'll pack up the car and go, even on other seemingly unimportant issues. If the polls are open, we all go. As much as many things suck, it's the only voice we have.
 
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I should add that "whatever" their position or who they choose to vote for, they DO. We will discuss the issues and ramifications (I'll admit that I might try to influence them <g>), but ultimately, it's THEIR CHOICE. They are the ones who will suffer or prosper, so it's up to them what happens. At least they can honestly say that they voted for or against whatever or whoever that suits them.

May God, Allah, or whatever your beliefs are, I hope he/she will bless us all. I'm so happy to live in a country that gives me a choice to believe in what I want. We are very fortunate...
 
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Why Trump Will Win: It's the Likability, Stupid!

I know it sounds crazy to say in a presidential year when the two candidates are supposedly the two most reviled in modern history that one of them is going to win -- I think going away -- because he's vastly more likable, but it's true.

And I say this not just because Donald Trump's rallies are better attended than Hillary Clinton's by a factor somewhere in the vicinity of 5000%. (No exaggeration. Donald routinely draws 10,000 people. A recent Hillary appearance at Temple University -- where she was supposed to make that final, serious pitch to nail down the votes of vacillating millennials -- attracted barely 200 out of a student body of 37,000.)​
 
Why Trump Will Win: It's the Likability, Stupid!

I know it sounds crazy to say in a presidential year when the two candidates are supposedly the two most reviled in modern history that one of them is going to win -- I think going away -- because he's vastly more likable, but it's true.

And I say this not just because Donald Trump's rallies are better attended than Hillary Clinton's by a factor somewhere in the vicinity of 5000%. (No exaggeration. Donald routinely draws 10,000 people. A recent Hillary appearance at Temple University -- where she was supposed to make that final, serious pitch to nail down the votes of vacillating millennials -- attracted barely 200 out of a student body of 37,000.)​
While we may differ in many of our opinions, I cannot help but like your post/link. What is billed as "the most important presidential election in (recent?) history," the enthusiasm just isn't there. This part from your link is so true:
Look at it this way: you wake up on November 9, 2016, and Hillary Clinton has won. Your (and most Americans') reaction would be to exhale, groan, shrug, and say "Do I really have to?" And then you fall back to bed for a few more hours of sleep. .

With Trump winning, you bolt up in bed with a start, throw off the covers, and say: "Oh, my God! Now what?!"

It's the last sentence that scares me...

EDIT: Apparently I'm not alone.
 
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DEBATE RULES: NO COUGHING BREAKS
**Exclusive**
Fri Sep 23 2016 11:30:40 ET

If presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton slips into a coughing fit or any other medical crisis during Monday's high-stakes debate, she will have to power through, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned!

"There are no commercial breaks," a commission source explains. "Period."

Debate moderator Lester Holt does not have the authority to cut away from the stage during the epic 90-minute showdown. And microphone audio for either of the candidates is not to be manipulated.

Clinton has experienced severe coughing episodes throughout the election year. During a Labor Day campaign stop she suffered a 4-minute choking marathon.

Monday's throwdown could top out at 100 million viewers, making it the biggest political event in history.

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Short Hillary wanted to debate tall Trump on a STEP STOOL – but was turned down – and she won't get commercial breaks for coughing fits or fainting spells

The Clinton campaign asked the Commission on Presidential Debates to give her a step stool so she wouldn't look much shorter than Donald Trump
Clinton stands 5'4", nearly a foot shorter than Trump's 6'2"
The commission turned down her request but is allowing a custom-built podium to minimize Trump's height advantage
There will be no commercial breaks during the 90-minute debate Monday night, leaving Clinton on camera if she faints or has a coughing episode

Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman asked the Commission on Presidential Debates to give the Democratic presidential nominee a step stool on stage Monday so she could avoid looking dramatically shorter than Republican rival Donald Trump, according to a new report.

The Clinton camp didn't get its wish, but Hillary will have a 'custom-made podium, which will accommodate the difference in stature,' according to a breaking news alert The Drudge Report published Friday morning.

Clinton is 5-feet, 4-inches tall, according to famed news aggregator Matt Drudge. Trump towers 10 inches above her at 6'2", he adds.​
 
Why Cruz flipped on Trump

Cruz positioned himself during the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July as the rare politician who would put principle ahead of party loyalty, pointedly refusing to endorse Trump during a primetime speech.

Sources familiar with Cruz’s thinking say he now acknowledges he underestimated the intensity of the negative backlash that would ensue.

The end of his speech could barely be heard above the clamor of boos. Establishment Republicans quickly piled on, arguing that Cruz’s has few friends in Washington because of his overweening ambition.​
 
we all have our opinions of course, but I happen to feel that we will be severely damaged if Hillery wins.

Trump on the other hand, I feel will do what Reagan did, and surround himself with the best advisors he can find in each arena.... and if he can succeed in nullifying all of Obama's executive orders, that will be one of the better things to have happen.

Obama has been trying to turn our country into another Muslim mecca, and there are a lot of 2nd Amendment folks who are going to rebel against that if it keeps getting worse in that respect.

I have no objections to one looking towards their own religion, but I have a LOT of objections when that is forced on anyone else.
 
we all have our opinions of course, but I happen to feel that we will be severely damaged if Hillery wins.

Trump on the other hand, I feel will do what Reagan did, and surround himself with the best advisors he can find in each arena.... and if he can succeed in nullifying all of Obama's executive orders, that will be one of the better things to have happen.

Obama has been trying to turn our country into another Muslim mecca, and there are a lot of 2nd Amendment folks who are going to rebel against that if it keeps getting worse in that respect.

I have no objections to one looking towards their own religion, but I have a LOT of objections when that is forced on anyone else.
You must be a carpenter.. Hit that nail dead on. I'm with you, Brother. It's normal to not arm or import your enemies into the county you live in but Obama & Hildebeest are doing exactly the opposite at the expense of the lives of American civilians. It's looking like Trump may be our only redemption for safety vs what They have planned.. and that bothers me too but I'll bite the bullet & vote for him if it means I don't have to worry so much about my daughter/children getting raped and beaten to death or blown up in a cloud of whatever. [emoji49]
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You must be a carpenter.. Hit that nail dead on. I'm with you, Brother. It's normal to not arm or import your enemies into the county you live in but Obama & Hildebeest are doing exactly the opposite at the expense of the lives of American civilians. It's looking like Trump may be our only redemption for safety vs what They have planned.. and that bothers me too but I'll bite the bullet & vote for him if it means I don't have to worry so much about my daughter/children getting raped and beaten to death or blown up in a cloud of whatever. [emoji49]
FWIW, I happen to live < 40 minutes from one of the largest populations of Muslims in the Country (Dearborn, MI). You don't hear anything on the national stage about violence there do you? TRUE Muslims are as peaceful or more than most religions and I have ZERO fear of going there. It's those who are "radicalised" that present the problem. How does one stop that? I haven't the answer, nor does anyone else INCLUDING Trump (or Hillary for that matter). Scared? Yes I am. Not of Muslims, but of Trump. Apparently I am not alone...
 
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Trump on the other hand, I feel will do what Reagan did, and surround himself with the best advisors he can find in each arena.... and if he can succeed in nullifying all of Obama's executive orders, that will be one of the better things to have happen..

I have not seen any smart advisors around him... only yes men.. his family..
and people will eventually fire...
and people that will sue him so that they will get paid...

stop drinking the bankrupted Trump-Cool-aid brand drink.....
 
Yeah, I kind of hoped we might have evolved a little since that first ever televised debate, but clearly things have only gotten worse.

Just because the better choice in that 1960 election won the televised debate, and ultimately won the office......Doesn't mean that the triumph of style over substance is ever a good thing, or that I was happy with the dangerous precedent set on that evening.
I just hope one candidate or the other doesn't come down with a sniffle or a pimple tonight, because that would surely render them entirely unfit to lead.

And Donald has neither substance or style, merely superficial appeal; He is polling well because there are a significant number of (proud) deplorables out there who are easily snowed.

There is a part of me that was glad that Nixon eventually did hold the office, if for no other reason to allow him to clearly demonstrate to the world what a slimeball he was, what a real crook looks like....... So we could all recognize it, and not get fooled again. But even slimeballs enjoy a core constituency, like minded individuals who will "stand by their man" no matter what.

9/25/16 LA Times:
"Scope of Trump's lies unmatched. No modern-day major presidential nominee has been so provably dishonest-Not that his loyalists mind."

Naturally, the article goes on to make the point, citing numerous specific instances and the verifiable facts; Details which even (intellectually honest) Republicans will agree are correct.

But it doesn't matter to the deplorables, they have their minds made up, and no amount of evidence can sway their "well informed" views. While the LA Times makes no claim to being entirely independent and neutral, it is a paragon of journalistic integrity compared to rags like the New York Post. Publications like that are several steps down the ladder from celebrity tabloid rags, and the sort of things posted online by the average 12 year old with access to a meme generator.
Read it for entertainment value, and I can (almost) respect that. Read it as the primary source of information about the world and politics; And no one with a shred of respectability should ever see you as much more than deplorable. Continue to surround yourself with other likeminded deplorables; Continue to feed on a steady diet of the garbage that The Post offers, and you will never see a world view that doesn't confirm what you have already been conditioned to believe. See those views often enough in print, and you will be increasingly convinced that The Post must be offering you "the truth"; All tied up with a neat little bow and a delightfully clever cover, tailor made for the small minded.
They have a more politically correct word for it now, but it used to be known as "brainwashing".
And step one of the conditioning process always involves convincing the subject that they are the one who sees things clearly. That they are the one in control, and certainly not the one being played.
And the smaller the brains, the quicker the laundry gets done.

I have suffered the consequences of quite a few elections gone wrong over the years, but never had a sense that it was impossible to respect the officeholder, their constituents, or that either could do any irreversible damage to the nation. Not this time.

Dan, I was with you up until a few months ago; it was abundantly clear to me what a load this guy is, and I was confident that would become readily apparent to all just how completely unfit a leader, and what a despicable (That's right, the donkey found a thesaurus, and managed to dig up another adjective) human being he is. He was obviously destined to be buried in the biggest electoral landslide of all time. It's becoming clear, however, just how wrong I was to give so much credit to the average American. It now seems clear that regardless of what happens tonight, this is going to be a frighteningly close election; And it may even break the wrong way.

At least I can console myself with the notion that "the donald" would likely do as other "brilliant leaders of the recent past" have done; Surround themselves with the "best and the brightest", the "smartest people in the room". Perhaps the likes of Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Rove, etc. can be talked out of retirement to take a well deserved bow, do a little encore number for us.
Just a reminder of how it went the last time a charming idiot with appeal to the common man took the levers of power:
The most ill advised military action of modern history, under demonstrably false pretenses, which neatly lay the groundwork for much of the instability in the region; Which the current administration gets the blame for having failed to clean up.
And an economy in such an unprecedented, horrifying tailspin; That expressions like "too big to fail" were created just to describe the mess. Another mess that was left to the current administration to subsequently "fail to clean up."
Maybe we can even talk Kenneth Lay out of "retirement", to have dinner at the White House, see if we can't get a cozier relationship between business and government. That doesn't always end badly, and I wouldn't be unconditionally opposed to having a good business man in the office of the presidency; But we would have to find one first.

I'm still puzzling over why our electric rates briefly went up 400% overnight, why my Epi-pens cost 600% more from one year to the next, and why traffic was momentarily so bad on the GWB that day........But there is no time for that now, I need to figure out why I suddenly have two additional bank accounts with Wells Fargo that I didn't authorize.
I wish I was exaggerating, for comic effect. Tell me again about how bad government intervention is, how government is always out to screw me........ While I consider what cabinet post Donald's good friend Chris Christie should be appointed to.

And P.S: The first debate begins any minute.....I would say, "May the best man win".........But we all know that has nothing to do with anything in presidential politics. So I'll just say "May the good Lord have mercy on our souls".
 
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The man (a mixture of confused, psychotic, thirsty, and Mussolini)..... is absolutely burying himself at 6:45........Hardly with any of her help.

But it won't matter.......She's gonna' get dinged for blinking too much, and his core won't smarten up.
 
Watched the debate for 65 minutes and gave up.

She is not doing so well, and he is remaining on point a lot better.
 
She revealed herself to be more of what I believed her to be prior to the debate;

He revealed himself to be more of what I believed him to be prior to the debate;

It wasn't even a close contest, but at the end of the day, it really won't matter much to the final outcome.

Edit: They both made some significant mis-steps, they both missed some golden opportunities to hit it out of the park, and they both got some genuinely well crafted jabs in.....I can recognize and admit it on both sides........But at the end of the day, it really won't matter much to the final outcome.
 
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Evidently, rambling, disorganized, and utterly failing to answer the question of the moment..........Qualifies as "on point".

And I am grateful that a man who served little more function than that of a doormat, a man who certainly can't be accused of leaning toward my political beliefs........Gave him more than enough rope to hang himself, seldom stepped in to play the role of "moderator".

I like Lester as a newscaster, but the real embarrassment tonight was his inability to flex any muscle, regardless of who it may have benefited.
 
I looked up at the TV on occasion while listening to all the BS, as I updated my Linux Mint box to the latest. Ho-hum for the most part, but SUCCESS here ;)

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Mint is finally using the Xenial Xerus (16.04 Ubuntu) base now. Pretty painless, but it took awhile. The upgrade log is > 10k lines and about 650k in size, but everything is working fine!
 
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there is an argument that the moderators job is to keep the debate on track..
the jabs and punches should be left to the participants.

but I do agree .. that the moderators need to call someone on direct lies and errors in statements... so that the audience have better understanding of the battle.
 
I struggled a great deal with the idea of what the job of (any) moderator is tonight.

I ultimately decided that "fact checking" is not part of the job, (despite a sense that the service would benefit my candidate wildly)......The American public should always be trusted to sort that out for themselves.:rolleyes:.

Where Lester failed, was to keep candidates on subject, and to ensure that "camera time" is equally distributed......On some occasions it seemed (to me) to benefit my prefered candidate; On other occasions it seemed to benefit the other candidate. It seemed somehow not the correct balance for a presidential debate, no matter who was ultimately benefiting from it.
I'm far from non-partisan, but if I find myself unimpressed on all fronts, by a man who is supposed to be (generally) invisible to the process, and one who I seldom have any quarrel with on a night to night basis......I gotta think it was a less than stunning performance by the moderator.

And Father-G.......Any help with Mint would be greatly appreciated, I'm listening. My last Windows 10 machine was an enormous disappointment; I went Ubuntu first, Mint after that......The ultimate results are a matter of ugly public record here; But I'll clearly need to pick myself up, and try again. Regardless of the results of the previous election.;)
 
And Father-G.......Any help with Mint would be greatly appreciated, I'm listening. My last Windows 10 machine was an enormous disappointment; I went Ubuntu first, Mint after that......The ultimate results are a matter of ugly public record here; But I'll clearly need to pick myself up, and try again. Regardless of the results of the previous election.;)
Being so off topic, I replied here. No matter WHO wins, we STILL lose...
 
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He's not a presidential candidate, but there is a clown here engaged in a local election, his tactics have the same "appeal" to the same lot of deplorables as other contests we are discussing on this thread, so why not?

We are suffering through the worst drought in memory here, the sole source of water for a community of 80K+ people is at record lows. And the moron running for local office on the Republican ticket is campaigning on a promise to raise the height of the dam, increase the capacity of the reservoir. "Forward thinking", 21'st century solutions, he refers to it as!:rolleyes: Something his opponent wasn't smart enough to consider.

This ding-dong has no sense that if it doesn't rain, there isn't any water to store in the first place. It could rain at twice the yearly average, for a decade, and still not fill that lake.
Another clever Republican, appealing to idiots searching for easy answers; And anxious to issue as many building permits as possible to grow his own personal fortune; The rest of us, and the consequences be damned.

As the donald said earlier tonight........."That's called being a smart business man".

The people who fall for that, deserve what they get.

I, however, do not; Don't burden me with your poor choices.
 
hey Drumpf supporters....

what are your thoughts from last night's battle/debate???

he said himself.. he takes advantage of the laws and situation .. to benefit himself and his family and business. and fuuck anyone else!!
So once he is in the WHITE HOUSE... do you think he will do anything to benefit himself...
and take advantage of America.. and FUUUUCK everyone else???

hhhhm.......
OPEN your EYES!!!!
 
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Trump missed several opportunities to knock her down.
Trump didn't lose any current supporters but probably didn't win over many undecideds.
By not completely blowing it, Trump passed stage one.
 
ok... I think we are not watching the same thing.
or some kind of reality distortion field in full throttle.

Steve Jobs had a good one..
but Drumpf has a battlestar size one!
 
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