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What's Going On With Trump's Sniffling?

Cocaine would also give someone a grand sense of self. It would give someone sexual potency, which Trump has assured us he has. It would give a 69-year-old man boundless energy and the confidence that he could fulfill the duties of the highest office in the land despite having no experience in any public office.​
 
Oh.......We are definitely watching the same thing, we just aren't seeing it the same way.

By not completely blowing it, Trump passed stage one.

I don't just like it......I love it.

When you set the bar that low, it's not particularly difficult to clear it. What is difficult to imagine is anyone being proud of having cleared it.

And I can see how from a particular perspective, one could choose to view that as a success.

I agree, he did not completely lose it. But there was a definite turning point, about ten minutes in, when she clearly got under his skin; He started to lose it, and really never regained his composure. I observed it happen in real time, and much of the subsequent analysis I watched and listened to all alluded to same. I heard no one describe the exact moment I witnessed, but most had a sense that he was indeed cool, in control, and "winning" the earliest portions of the evening; Where Hillary seemed scattered and anxious. But for the majority of the event, it was rather lopsided in the other direction.

And if Al Gore deserved to get dinged for a few audible "sighs" in one of his now (in)famous debates.......Let's just say the split screen format was not donald's friend last night. If we are to hold both men to the same standard, then donald should certainly be ridiculed for his relentless, highly visible smirks, ticks, twitches and scowls...........While Hillary is occasionally dinged for being an emotionless robot........The split screen often showed her to be quite warm and amused by his antics. As if clearly aware she was in his head, and loving every delicious minute of it, she often appeared to be working overtime to contain her smile. It was far from presidential, I'll be the first to say; But this is clearly a unique campaign to this point; And look at the comedy fodder she had to work with, the joke that was in full view of the world.
At one point, donald went on a bit long, (as do all candidates, no problem there) and the suggestion was made that the "clock" be reset to allow her a full 2:00 to respond. It would have again been highly un-presidential, but I desperately wanted her to laugh out loud, and tell the moderator (something to the effect of) "Lester, I'm having so damn much fun here tonight, I can hardly stand it. And I don't want to miss out on any of it; But I don't need the full 2:00. Thirty seconds is all I would need to bury that one." (Eye roll, glance to camera left)

I agree, donald did miss a few opportunities to knock her down; And I felt she missed several really obvious opportunities of her own. Much could be said about those missed opportunities on both sides; Which of them were mere oversights, and which were calculated decisions to not engage, part of a larger strategy we might or might not agree with, regardless of our ideology.

And on several occasions, each candidate landed a nice punch; Deftly served up a line that I wished I had written, (again) regardless of political ideology. Lets face it; While it wasn't good for politics in general, Reagan's line about "youth and inexperience" to Mondale was definitely "one for the highlight reel".
But let's also face it; The moment was a total setup, another example of being overly self congratulatory after clearing a bar, set artificially and unreasonably low in the first place. That killer line came out of Reagan's puppet head, yet appeared so spontaneous. Written by someone else, and "Tee'd" up to perfection by the lovely and charming, thoroughly professional, non-partisan moderator / puppet master, Roger Ailes.

There is a piece of work for ya'.

Without a doubt, the guy is very, very, very good at what he does. Whether or not what he does is respectable, is another matter entirely. To paraphrase donald, when he gave us all an insight into his "whatever you can get away with is right" philosophy of life........"That's called being a political operative."
 
By not completely blowing it, Trump passed stage one.

that is a very odd statement... where else in life can you apply that mentality?

hhhhmmm......
I know... today in grade schools... kids..
if you show up to a game.. and don't blow it.. you will also win a trophy!
the show up and participate award.

that is what I want for president of my nation.. the most powerful nation on earth....
just show up... and not blow it!!!!

can we NOT expect more from the CAMANDER AND CHIEF?
DONT YOU expect more?
 
Clinton: ".....a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax....So if he's paid zero, that means zero for troops, zero for vets, zero for schools or health. And I think probably he's not all that enthusiastic about having the rest of our country see what the real reasons are, because it must be something really important, even terrible, that he's trying to hide.”

Trump: "That makes me smart."


Gee, donald......
I was solidly behind you; Right up until the moment you called me stupid for paying my taxes.
 
And that's why Trump, with no political experience, is so popular.
A thief is just a thief, and it seemed quite clear last night, He has taken advantage of everyone he's ever dealt with. How one could vote for a guy who made a fortune on OPM sickens me. Not to mention the lack of paying taxes...
 
Someone out there has a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very dry (and clever) sense of humor; Which I would admire greatly. And I readily acknowledge that I'm simply not smart enough to have yet figured out who that is, through the course of this peculiar campaign.
 
Someone out there has a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very dry (and clever) sense of humor; Which I would admire greatly. And I readily acknowledge that I'm simply not smart enough to have yet figured out who that is, through the course of this peculiar campaign.
Simple. You are screwed no matter what. MONEY runs the world. If you truly believe that Lincoln’s Gettysburg address was correct in saying "all men are created equal," yer sadly mistaken. If born of money (as Trump, Paris Hilton, and the like) you inherit the elite. I highly doubt most "born of money" would know which end of a shovel is "up."
 
Agree to disagree (to agree), padre.....until I can sort it all out for myself.;)


While the line you cite did indeed appear in Lincoln's address, he was of course merely quoting the thoughts of a giant who spoke those words generations earlier.......Lincoln was paying tribute to, and acknowledging the foundations that made (and make) this nation great, even 150 years ago. He was not telling the nation what a craphole he thought this country was, in order to serve his own twisted personal agenda; Not arrogantly suggesting he was the only one smart enough to put things right, clever enough to build a wall to separate us from those who (somehow) do not qualify as "all men".........."The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here....." suggests a level of humility entirely out of donald's childish and self centered vision of the world.
The better part of a million men lay dead, and Lincoln somehow still managed to resist the temptation to refer to his own personal sacrifices; All the buildings he put up.

Kennedy is a name that doesn't exactly warm the hearts of those who disagree with us, father; But more than one in the family devoted their lives to public service; Despite being born into great wealth, didn't need to work for a living; Some highly notable human failings aside, they shared a sincere desire to grow the pie for all, to give back, and share the dream of this nation with everyone. A sincere belief that government could be a tool for the betterment of all, not an instrument to enrich the few.

donald didn't dispute the fact that his empire is built upon a 14 million dollar loan his father gave him in the 1970's. The real problem is, that mere moments later, he referred to it as "A small loan".:rolleyes: From Daddy.o_O

There is a man of the people.

I had a mere graduate degree, but worked my balls off, and saved every bit I could for decades, (all the while proudly paying my taxes every year, along with my student loans.).......And finally had enough to buy a modest piece of property, without going into any kind of irresponsible debt, in one of the nicest parts of coastal California, (where no one has ever lost money in the history of real estate on the planet)......And a few years later, the Bush administration was face planting the economy so hard core, that unprecedented losses were incurred by many, myself included.

Blah, blah, blah, (Some highly public and accurate statement about donald actually rooting for the housing collapse)........To which he proudly replied "That's just business", like it was nothing. Yeah, I'm anxious for more of those kinds of policies, they work so well for "we the people".

By all means, let's have a (mature, intelligent, responsible) business man in the oval office. But donald is not the man for the job; Any who thinks he is, needs to get their head checked. Because they are either not smart enough to see what he truly is; Or they are the kind of sociopath who closely identifies with him and aspires to someday be like him. (And aren't smart enough to understand that despite their loyal vote, they will still never likely be invited into his filthy inner circle.)

The American dream, is very much a reality, and it is among the many things that make this nation so great; A beacon to the world, an example of all that is noble in the human spirit. The opportunity does indeed exist for all........The guarantee of success, however, exists for none; And political hacks like donald gain appeal and support among those gullible enough to be convinced that everything will inevitably work out well for all of them, all the time......If only they turn over the keys to the castle, without asking any questions.

Wake up, trump wannabees.
 
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At least he admits it, doesn't hide it in a Foundation.

Foundation... for charity?
one Drumpf uses to pay off his business and personal lawsuits...
and buy expensive crap for himself?
and does NOT put any money into?
whom he ask others to donate to?

I see your perspective.. and I find myself blind to truth.


wake up and walk out into the real world!
 
Foundation... for charity?
one Drumpf uses to pay off his business and personal lawsuits...
and buy expensive crap for himself?
and does NOT put any money into?
whom he ask others to donate to?

I see your perspective.. and I find myself blind to truth.


wake up and walk out into the real world!

Right back at ya. You think the Clinton Foundation is for charity.. What "cause"? The answer is her purse. That's your real world. I'm disgusted with both candidates but Your constant disdain of people is getting outta bounds. Not everyone is pro Trump but I swear you're always the loudest person in the room. Do you see Republicans heckling the Dem's threads? No, were working &/or doing something useful. I haven't been posting much in this thread but holy crap.. you need to chill the "F" out.
BTW: being loudest doesn't mean "you win", it just shows ppl the kind of person you are
 
I personally think Dan has been kinda' quiet, lately.......But what do I know, who am I to judge?

I guess she could be stuffing all the foundation money into her pockets; But I imagine a little digging could dredge up records of a check for 50, maybe even 100 bucks to some worthless cause or another.

Shame on you Dan.......Speak up.;)

But if you do, you should know (by now) that the only speech which is welcome, comes from other people who already agree with a particular point of view. Anything you have to say that runs to the counter.....should be posted on another thread, (where your silly opinions will feel warm and familiar.)

It's hard to heckle the like minded; And the alternative is just a self congratulatory circle je.......

People's actions and words do indeed reveal a great deal about what kind of person they are. Dan has already shown me far more than enough to know I won't ever be voting for him to be President. :p Unfortunately, a guy actually contending for the office comes in for significantly less scrutiny.

I heard a woman on a radio news piece this morning; (Paraphrasing, but it was all in there)
Interviewer: "Does it concern you that he steadfastly refuses to release his tax returns?"
Kind hearted dimwit: "Ummmmmm....No, not at all. That's the past, it doesn't have anything to do with the future. I'm only interested in what I think he will do, going forward."

The average trump supporter is the best (free) anti-trump advertising that money could buy.

An enormous suffragette billboard, a warning to all. Loudly and clearly illustrating that just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

But only billboards which sell me the product I'm already loyal to should be posted within my sight.
(None of these glaringly obvious problems would even be problems; If only millions of people like you would stop pointing them out to me.)
 
at this point..

I am a better choice for POTUS.. than Drumpf.
at least I know I cant do it...
and scared to be in that much power.
and don't have the skills to fully grasp all the angles.
and don't have the ability to read others.. and know how to pull strings...

but.. I think .. if I was in that chair... the world, our nation, the people, the community, and then my family, .. in that order.. and then me. would be the order of importance.

with Drumpf.. it would be the exact opposite.
 
Gotta give him credit for trying:

Donald J. Trump Events

- Wednesday, September 28, 2016 -
Council Bluffs, IA

- Wednesday, September 28, 2016 -
Waukesha, WI

- Thursday, September 29, 2016 -
Bedford, NH

- Friday, September 30, 2016 -
Novi, MI

- Saturday, October 01, 2016 -
Manheim, PA

- Monday, October 03, 2016 -
Loveland, CO

- Tuesday, October 04, 2016 -
Prescott Valley, AZ
 
Wait a moment, please.

There are lots of memes circulating now that are calling Trump a traitor or anti-American and other things for not paying income taxes.

But it's not as though he's breaking the law. Rather, he has the wealth to hire tax attorneys to structure his life so that he maximizes every loophole and opportunity, with the result that he pays very little taxes.

That makes him wise and shrewd.

I mean I take every deduction to which I am legally entitled in order to minimize the tax bite. That also makes me smart. And it's possible that I may pay more taxes than Trump.

But I don't get angry at him about that, I get angry at our foolhardy tax code, which is written by congress (well, technically it's mostly written by the lobbyists' attorneys) in order to bend over for certain loopholes.

What is it exactly that people want Trump to do? Give money that he doesn't owe to the federal government so they can blow it like they do most of the rest? That would be pretty dumb.

So @basic 101 user, I'm assuming you don't just capitulate and pay more than you actually owe; that would indeed make you stupid, or at least badly misinformed. That you pay some taxes (and hopefully the minimum amount you legally can!) makes you wise as well.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Trump supporter; I can't imagine he'll make an effectual president (in my other thread I think his attitude and approach would simply leave him more like a lame duck if elected). But I wouldn't vote for Hillary on a bet or if I were being paid. Still, at the end of the day no matter what I do in the voting booth, I'll vote for Hillary because that's where all of California's electoral votes will go.

well.. ok.. let me take a stab at it...

there are lower income that actually get money (poor) ... don't pay tax.. but also get tax check to help...

a little higher group don't pay money...

a little higher income (Middle Class).. can take advantage .. buy homes and make investments.. lower their taxes due

and higher up income... they make way above the rest... but still find ways to tax loopholes to not pay?
these are the ones that can afford to pay taxes.. and help the community.

tax in my option..
part of the goal is to take from the ones that can afford it.. to help the ones that really need it.
help the economy .. move it alone.. helps the poor and the rich...

So if the rich (people that make more than several millions a year) can get away with not paying.. Then are we taxing the middle class?
Trump wants to help the rich NOT pay.. so the rest of American (YOU and I) can pay for it????

tax laws and breaks are to help move the economy and keep the poor a float...
not for the really rich to find ways NOT to pay....

so if he is making .. hundreds of millions a year.. and finding ways to NOT pay a dime...
I feel that there is something fishy swimming in his hair...
 
if I was in that chair... the world, our nation, the people, the community, and then my family, .. in that order.. and then me. would be the order of importance.
Some people do indeed have a funny sense of the order of priorities in life.......When your own kind / family (add wallet to the list in the last few moments) shows up last on a list of personal priorities, I really have to scratch my head and wonder about such fools.

Some people (even those entirely unfit for office, like Dan) :Dcan somehow manage to grasp, by simple intuition.....That if you take good care of the entire system in the approximate sequence listed above........All parts of the system will benefit from the system; And all parts of the system can then provide benefit to the entire system.

Try to reverse the order of priorities by very much, and (nearly) all parts of the system suffer. (But as long as it isn't my part that suffers, who cares?)

While I could always stand to be better informed, it's certainly not any meme I'm basing my opinions on.:rolleyes:
And I'm not one calling trump "un-American", I suspect he is perhaps almost as proud an American as I. But I personally feel that he represents the tiny fraction of the very worst of "America" the part we (should all) be deeply ashamed of; Blown up to ridiculous proportions, and somehow held up as a hero, for inexplicable, shameful reasons. It is exactly because of how grateful I am for all that this country is, and the opportunities that it has offered me, that I do willingly "capitulate" once a year, and pay my taxes. trump really has people in his back pocket, when they are willing to stand up and say he shouldn't pay "money that he doesn't owe to the federal government". Remind me again where the line between fact and opinion is please; Because someone must have a particularly privileged insight into trump's finances to make that judgement..... What is and is not owed.......With such great authority.
Obviously, I take every possible deduction, and look for every opportunity to shelter money where it will serve me best. While I'm sure there are people who could help me do even better with my finances; I get a little queasy when I see the tactics they gleefully volunteer, because I "stupid"ly draw the line between right and wrong in a different place from others.

And let's not forget, it's very difficult to be "well informed", if the subject of your interest also has the ability (and lack of moral compass) to "wisely and shrewdly" conceal his activities.

Look into David Fahrenthold's reporting on trump's "charitable organization."

As a general rule, (I'm sure you already know): Concealment goes hand in hand with an implicit understanding that one shouldn't be seen doing the activity in the first place. (Just because you can get away with something, doesn't mean you should). And it doesn't make it OK when you do; And feeling superior to others after you have gotten away with it....... Really puts a fellow into a special category of sociopath.

But the tax documents of trump's "charitable organization" are thankfully public documents; That's where Fahrenthold's reporting started. Where it went from there, should come as no surprise to anyone; Neither will it be seen as anything to be concerned about, by the sort of people who might eagerly conduct themselves in a similar manner as trump, given half a chance.

The internet is a largely toneless environment, you don't really much know me; I'm not nearly as angry an individual as you evidently think, and I bet you (@random username) would be quite surprised at just how much more we have in common than you currently suspect, if we met on the street. But there are definitely a few things I have very, very very little patience with. Injustice is at the top of the list, hypocrisy is a close second. And it is the occasional instance, when one or the other (or both) is pointed out in my own behavior....That gives me a welcome opportunity to grow as a human being........ And then embrace #3 on the list..... Intellectual (dis)honesty.

Willful intellectual dishonesty sucks.

And in a great many trump supporters, I see a willingness to fully embrace injustice, hypocrisy, and most of all, intellectual dishonesty. Without even being aware of the fact that they are doing it.
Displaying a reflexive disdain for charitable organizations, because they might be seen as corrupt, is a good starting place. The Clinton Foundation(s) and trump's (clever tax dodges) shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. And when one mentally transfers all of the (verifiable and provable failings of the one), onto the other(s), as an excuse to be suspicious of them all.......'C'mon, get real.:rolleyes:

I can easily respect a wide variety of views and philosophies. This guy, however, I can't respect on any level, AND he is dangerously close to unimaginable power. Let him be a reality TV show host, a country singer, a hair club for men spokesperson, a local NFL quarterback.....Heck, let him be the charming, admirable, oh so sexy head of a TV "news" network, for all I care. Anything but an elected official.

Look into Brian Walsh. He's a Republican strategist, who is displaying great intellectual honesty. He openly states that he has no desire to see Hillary in the white house, but freely points to the areas where he does agree with her on certain issues.....And at the end of the day, he openly says he will not vote for her, under any circumstances. But neither will he vote for donald; Not because of his own personal story, which he freely acknowledges is ancient history....... But rather because he doesn't see him to be a fit leader. Full stop. And he feels his time is better spent working on House and Senate races, in favor of Republican candidates which he does admire and support.
Those who give me "I don't really like trump at all, but I'm gonna' lie back and swallow it, 'cause......"
I got no use for them; Work for something, punch back, or get out of the way.

Brian Walsh saw his father screwed by trump in the mid 1980's. Just because it helps to prove my point doesn't make it the final word; But it's a nice example of the kind of intellectual honesty, and of the kind of man I can respect. And if it were a single isolated story, that would be one thing. But this isn't, it's part of the overwhelming mountain of evidence many deplorables choose to not see.
In short, the guy's father, (like others) did a lot of work on one of trump's early projects, then struggled for a very long time to get paid, ultimately accepting a fraction of the money owed to him. (Sound familiar, anyone? Golly, what a "wise and shrewd" business man, is your hero, not paying a sub; Wish I figured out how to get away with that...... Or paid someone else to figure out how to figure it out for me.) The father jumped through one trump hoop after another, in an effort to do what was necessary to meet the next questionable, trumped up demand.......But ultimately "capitulated", only to be told by the heroic worker bee donald minions in his office, who "structure his life" in the very manner that lets him "maximize every loophole and opportunity" to take advantage of the system.......It's gonna' cost you more to litigate, so you really should just take this.

One man's clever is another man's contemptible.

One man's "loophole and opportunity" is another man's dinner. ( But screw him, if he doesn't have the horsepower to take it from me.)

Makes me even more proud to be an American.

And P.S: Vin Scully for President, yo.
 
^^^^^^^Sorry, man; But painfully weak and predictable; More self serving rationalizations. ^^^^

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Trump supporter; I can't imagine he'll make an effectual president (in my other thread I think his attitude and approach would simply leave him more like a lame duck if elected).

If you can't be bothered to stand up for what is right, you may be seen as actively supporting what is wrong.
And as ever, trump supporters are the best free anti-trump advertising available.

And I say that, only now understanding that we might actually have even more in common that I previously suspected, (in real life). In reality, however.......Not so much.

Some of us actually choose to be better than the bare minimum required of us by the world, (as hard as that may be to believe or understand). Others could too; If they didn't choose to believe that would be a foolish decision.

Was that short enough for the room? Or should I leave even more of the extra footage on the editing room floor next time?

Because it's just that easy to be right.
 
But I personally feel that he represents the tiny fraction of the very worst of "America" the part we (should all) be deeply ashamed of; Blown up to ridiculous proportions, and somehow held up as a hero, for inexplicable, shameful reasons.

My exact opinion of Hillary too.. We're screwed. I believe Nostradamus also may have had some things to say that may point to our election..
 
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