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Proof that the Democrats are Socialists

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"Actually... in terms of sociology, this country is socialist capitalist. We have a LOT of social programs."

Indeed, paying taxes to fund a police force doesn't make you Stalin.

In the UK we have what you'd probably term a socialist health-care system (just about; our conservatives secretly hate it) and I think its a fairer way. Just my opinion.
 
It's funny that our country is the most religious, but also cares the least about the poor and sick. I wonder if anyone has read the bible.
 
Dont see the vatican doing much for the sick and poor. Its more religion its self and not a certain country filled with religious people.
 
cp1 said:
It's funny that our country is the most religious, but also cares the least about the poor and sick. I wonder if anyone has read the bible.
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Funny how religion is always the bad guy. It's the church (your pick) that has typically cared for the sick and the poor. This bastardized program you think is caring for the sick and poor is mostly funding other peoples long term vacation.

It's a heart wrenching quote but inaccurate in it's entirety. btw the churches that I've associated with have always done a bangup job helping those truly in need. The system is to give them a way to earn their wages. We will employ anyone for a better then fair wage. All we want is that the person asking for a hand out is willing to earn it. You'd be surprised how many will turn down food AND money for things like mowing a yard.

If the .gov would do this it would drastically reduce the number of freeloaders AND most people could support a program like this. At the very least there needs to be drug testing for things like food stamps.

I'm curious though, what have you done this year to help the poor...besides pay taxes?
 
I think if our party system continues the way it is now, we will be at war with our own country yet again. I don't like where this is heading.
 
Bob Maxey said:
It ends when we have a strong republican president and an equally strong congress that is dedicated to the document very few democrats know, or have ever read: The Constitution of The United States of America.
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Whoa, that is a huge generalization there my friend. Can you expound as to what makes you think most democrats are ignorant to the constitution?
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
Most of them believe that the Constitution says that you have the right to an abortion and that it doesn't say that you have a right to bear arms.
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Most of them? What? I have never heard a single Dem, representative or otherwise, say the constitution states we do not have the right to bear arms. Abortion is another matter, but nowhere in the constitution does it say ANYTHING about abortion, likely because it didn't really exist when it was written...
 
Respectfully, perhaps this is just me, but I don't see how those links state that Dems (and Obama) believe that the constitution does not say we have the right to bear arms. Dems believe there should be restrictions. Again, "arms" in 1787 and "arms" in 2011 are just a hair different (and by that I mean a whole hell of a lot). Consequently, I think Obama's example of government regulation in terms of land ownership is a fantastic one.
 
lordofthereef said:
Respectfully, perhaps this is just me, but I don't see how those links state that Dems (and Obama) believe that the constitution does not say we have the right to bear arms. Dems believe there should be restrictions. Again, "arms" in 1787 and "arms" in 2011 are just a hair different. Consequently, I think Obama's example of government regulation in terms of land ownership is a fantastic one.
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There have been politicians that have openly and outright opposed gun ownership - in my memory, they've all been Dems, but I could be wrong on that. Seems the late Ted Kennedy and Schumer come to mind.

Charles Schumer on Gun Control

Gun control = registration. Ask Canada - once registration is complete, gun confiscation can easily follow.

I provided the links for fairness and candor.

But - politicians of every stripe and philosophy are well-versed in covering their tracks to protect themselves from the voters.

I would assert that the majority of gun laws have come from the Dems - although, I'll state outright I'm too lazy to substantiate that, other than by personal observations of campaigns.

The Dem campaign favorite thing on this is to state that guns are ok for hunters and cops, and that they hate gun crime. (Any politicial that doesn't go that way doesn't kiss babies, if you catch my drift.)

lordofthereef said:
Again, "arms" in 1787 and "arms" in 2011 are just a hair different (and by that I mean a whole hell of a lot).
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I'm reminded of the political cartoon from long ago that I can't find online.

Townsman of the 1700s pointing at a man with a musket, screaming - What are you doing with that assault rifle?!?!?
 
Early,
That's fair enough. BUT... I still don't think it's fair to label the majority of Dem's as people who don't believe in the constitution because they ALL want us to give up our right to bear arms, which, I think, is what we are trying to get across (and if that wasn't everyone else's stance on the matter, it sure is mine).

That all said, I don't feel simple registration will solve the problems we have in this nation nation regarding guns.
 
EarlyMon said:
On gun control, I don't think either charge you've both made is fair -

Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_planks.html

Barack Obama on Gun Control
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Most Dens are probably afraid to be anti gun - lose more marginal votes than gain

Also how would they confiscate guns without an ammendment


Personally I think the constitution is outdated - from a different time by far

Also arms as a term is complicated - surely not allowing people to keep missile silos in their garden is unconstitutional
 
lordofthereef said:
Early,
That's fair enough. BUT... I still don't think it's fair to label the majority of Dem's as people who don't believe in the constitution because they ALL want us to give up our right to bear arms, which, I think, is what we are trying to get across (and if that wasn't everyone else's stance on the matter, it sure is mine).

That all said, I don't feel simple registration will solve the problems we have in this nation nation regarding guns.
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By the _exact_ same token, I didn't think it was fair to suggest duplicity or trolling on the part of someone whose opinion does go that other way.

So, I simply added basis for one part of that opinion - frankly, for certain politicians, many of whom are caught holding themselves above the law, the charge that they don't respect the essence of the Constitution (and certainly the wording) is dead on.

I've heard many a Dem speech claiming the 2nd Amendment reserves a right to the government, when it's a fact that the entire Bill of Rights secures rights for individuals. I've not heard such speeches from members of other parties. But - that's just me, and I'm just saying there's some reason this issue often splits along party lines.

I could be wrong, though. I often am.
 
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