Pros/Cons of HTC Rezound vs. Galaxy Nexus

[NightAngel79]

this isn't his thread to edit

plus i personally dont see the point (feel free to explain it/make a case via PM)
we have a 'are you gonna buy this phone thread' and then there is this one, a '[phone] vs [phone]' thread.

if we wanna compare several phones that is something best served in the Android Lounge

 

[Deleted User]

I have been wishy-washy since the announcement of the Galaxus and ICS, but as stated above, if ICS can be used on phones with capacitive buttons and not take up extra screen space, then I am going for the Vigor/Rezound because of the individual clock speeds on the CPU. Also, I love having a rooted phone, so I would have no problem running something like CM9 or whatever is stock ICS for the HTC. If the screen is unfortunately taken up by the software navigation buttons, then it is the Galaxus for me. I have until about Christmas time to choose so I have time for reviews to come out.

 

[hovercraftdriver25]

I have been wishy-washy since the announcement of the Galaxus and ICS, but as stated above, if ICS can be used on phones with capacitive buttons and not take up extra screen space, then I am going for the Vigor/Rezound because of the individual clock speeds on the CPU. Also, I love having a rooted phone, so I would have no problem running something like CM9 or whatever is stock ICS for the HTC. If the screen is unfortunately taken up by the software navigation buttons, then it is the Galaxus for me. I have until about Christmas time to choose so I have time for reviews to come out.

I'm almost certain I read somewhere that the on-screen buttons can be disabled. Ill try to find that. Even if not able to stock ICS though, pretty sure a custom Rom will take care of it.

 

[Nodzarf]

Having an Incredible and seeing that's its an excellent phone I am looking forward to the Vigor/Rezound. An extended battery is already out, which is a must for me. I haven't read anything about the Prime battery being removable. Other than the onscreen buttons what makes ICS that big of a deal? As far as Sense goes, I've been using LP or GO launchers which are nice. Finally there are going to be new phones that will be a step up from the Dinc. Prime or Vigor? Right now Vigor
Vigor sounds much better than Rezound.

 

[Deleted User]

I'm almost certain I read somewhere that the on-screen buttons can be disabled. Ill try to find that. Even if not able to stock ICS though, pretty sure a custom Rom will take care of it.

I first saw that when NightAngel79 posted that it might be possible

Having an Incredible and seeing that's its an excellent phone I am looking forward to the Vigor/Rezound. An extended battery is already out, which is a must for me. I haven't read anything about the Prime battery being removable. Other than the onscreen buttons what makes ICS that big of a deal? As far as Sense goes, I've been using LP or GO launchers which are nice. Finally there are going to be new phones that will be a step up from the Dinc. Prime or Vigor? Right now Vigor
Vigor sounds much better than Rezound.

I have an Incredible also. I think it is an okay phone, but in the last few months it seems the phone is lagging to do things like take pictures (even with the sense 3.0 camera(which is supposed to be faster i guess)); moving from one app to another seems like a chore, especially when I open the wrong app accidentally; the speaker has been a problem for me multiple times. I think the hardware on the Incredible is just past its prime, unfortunately the phones HTC releases on Verizon seem to be behind the curve compared to Samsung and Motorola (example - the Droid RAZR and Galaxus). I have been really looking forward to the new Qualcomm processor that will be in the Vigor, which is the deciding factor between the Galaxus and Vigor at the moment (apparently the Galaxus would not be as good for games as the Vigor, and the Vigor would individually controlled cores).

 

[dezignstuff]

For more info on the Beats Audio and how HTC might implement it into a new phone, check this link: HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio review -- Engadget

The HTC Sensation XE is the first HTC Beats Audio phone. The Beats contribution is basically a set of earbuds with an inline mic and some eq settings.

The Sensation may have some similarities to the Rezound, but it's not a 1:1 match. For example, the display is clearly different. Let's also hope the camera is also different. I do like the Sensation XE case, and the access to the SD card means you don't have to take out the battery, which the Rezound appears to require.

The XE also has the red tinted capacitive buttons, which some seem to like.

 

[Flyguy94]

I got the incredible on release day and loved the phone and sold me on HTC. I jumped on the Thunderbolt on release day I initially loved the phone but all the issues slowly got me hating HTC. With the reboot issues, battery life and all the botched released patches, not to mention the GB update. I rooted and tried as many ROMS as I could get my hands on but I still was disappointed with the phone. I tried and tried to get behind this phone but couldn't. I think I'm going to give the GN a shot, who knows If ICS goes smooth on the Vigor I may lean to love HTC again.

 

[Medion]

Figured I'd weigh in on this as I'm taking a serious look at the Nexus, RAZR, and Rezound. Sense vs. Vanilla is obvious, IMO. Sense > Vanilla in terms of out of box experience through GB. ICS is unknown until released. If you like Sense, then the Rezound should be a the top of your list. If you prefer vanilla, then the Nexus should be further up with the stipulation that it is easier to get a Sense phone to emulate vanilla than it is to get a vanilla phone to emulate Sense. But, I'm a hardware guy, not a software guy, so here goes.

CPU: Nexus uses a dual-core Cortex A9 clocked at 1.2ghz, while the Rezound uses a dual-core Scorpion at 1.5ghz. I'm a huge fan of Dhrystone MIPS (DMIPS) as a measurement of a CPU's potential power as the numbers are consistent and predictable. Outside of this, any benchmark can be tailored to make one CPU look superior to the other and vice versa. With DMIPS taken into account, the Rezound wins 6,300 to 6,000. This is a difference of 5%, which is negligible at that point, IMO. (DMIPS numbers are rated 2.1DMIPS per clock cycle for Scorpion, and 2.5 DMIPS per clock cycle on A9). If history is any indication, A9 @ 1.2ghz should offer better battery life than Scorpion @ 1.5ghz, and the Rezound is rumored to have a smaller battery to boot.

GPU: Adreno 220 vs. PowerVR SGX540.

AnandTech - Samsung Galaxy S 2 (International) Review - The Best, Redefined

The Adreno 220 was designed to eliminate the edge that the SGX540 held over the 200 and 205. I didn't like that line of thinking as Qualcomm basically stated that they expected PowerVR to stay stagnant. While Android didn't get the new 543, the 540 was nearly double-clocked offering a significant performance improvement. So, did Qualcomm outpace PowerVR, or did PowerVR stay ahead? Let's look at the benchmarks from the above link. Where possible, benchmarks are done at 720p to give consistency with results rather than base the results on a device's native resolution. Since our target devices are 720p, this is actually very useful for us.

The triangle-throughput tests (geometric performance) shows a roughly 50% performance edge for the SGX540. That's HUGE. However, these synthetic tests use more triangles than any game out today or within the next year, so don't let this be a killer. I mean, the Mali400 was slaughtered on this test and we know that's an excellent GPU. Fill-rate tests show a different result, with the SGX540 holding a 100%-125% increase over the Adreno 220, which is essentially a bloodbath. It's clear that while Qualcomm did a reasonable job of beating out the old SGX540, the new one is just too much to handle. 540 wins, hands down. Also, keep in mind that these banchmarks were done with the 540 @ 300mhz. The Galaxy Nexus supposedly has it clocked at 384mhz for even more performance.

If you scroll down to the Rightmark tests, you can see comparisons done at device native resolutions (800x480 and 960x540). The Adreno 220 and PowerVR SGX540 trade blows with marginal victories here. That tells me that when there are smaller fill-rate and geometric requirements, neither GPU is taxed and the device becomes limited by CPU, memory, and/or refresh rate. But, at 720p, the SGX540 is the clear winner.

Conclusion: It is my personal opinion that the CPU in both devices is comparable. Your choice, slightly better performance (Rezound) or slightly better battery life (Nexus). This doesn't take into account SMP vs. aSMP, which we can debate for days and I don't think will make much of a difference this generation anyway. In terms of the GPU, the Nexus straight up slaughters the Rezound when you take into account a 720p display. The Adreno 220 is an awesome GPU, but the new SX540 is just "more awesomer!"

But, this issue is still "clear as mud." I'd vote Nexus for overall hardware, and software updates. I'd vote Rezound for style and Sense UI. Either would make a kick-ass choice.

 

[rushmore]

Figured I'd weigh in on this as I'm taking a serious look at the Nexus, RAZR, and Rezound. Sense vs. Vanilla is obvious, IMO. Sense > Vanilla in terms of out of box experience through GB. ICS is unknown until released. If you like Sense, then the Rezound should be a the top of your list. If you prefer vanilla, then the Nexus should be further up with the stipulation that it is easier to get a Sense phone to emulate vanilla than it is to get a vanilla phone to emulate Sense. But, I'm a hardware guy, not a software guy, so here goes.

CPU: Nexus uses a dual-core Cortex A9 clocked at 1.2ghz, while the Rezound uses a dual-core Scorpion at 1.5ghz. I'm a huge fan of Dhrystone MIPS (DMIPS) as a measurement of a CPU's potential power as the numbers are consistent and predictable. Outside of this, any benchmark can be tailored to make one CPU look superior to the other and vice versa. With DMIPS taken into account, the Rezound wins 6,300 to 6,000. This is a difference of 5%, which is negligible at that point, IMO. (DMIPS numbers are rated 2.1DMIPS per clock cycle for Scorpion, and 2.5 DMIPS per clock cycle on A9). If history is any indication, A9 @ 1.2ghz should offer better battery life than Scorpion @ 1.5ghz, and the Rezound is rumored to have a smaller battery to boot.

GPU: Adreno 220 vs. PowerVR SGX540.

AnandTech - Samsung Galaxy S 2 (International) Review - The Best, Redefined

The Adreno 220 was designed to eliminate the edge that the SGX540 held over the 200 and 205. I didn't like that line of thinking as Qualcomm basically stated that they expected PowerVR to stay stagnant. While Android didn't get the new 543, the 540 was nearly double-clocked offering a significant performance improvement. So, did Qualcomm outpace PowerVR, or did PowerVR stay ahead? Let's look at the benchmarks from the above link. Where possible, benchmarks are done at 720p to give consistency with results rather than base the results on a device's native resolution. Since our target devices are 720p, this is actually very useful for us.

The triangle-throughput tests (geometric performance) shows a roughly 50% performance edge for the SGX540. That's HUGE. However, these synthetic tests use more triangles than any game out today or within the next year, so don't let this be a killer. I mean, the Mali400 was slaughtered on this test and we know that's an excellent GPU. Fill-rate tests show a different result, with the SGX540 holding a 100%-125% increase over the Adreno 220, which is essentially a bloodbath. It's clear that while Qualcomm did a reasonable job of beating out the old SGX540, the new one is just too much to handle. 540 wins, hands down. Also, keep in mind that these banchmarks were done with the 540 @ 300mhz. The Galaxy Nexus supposedly has it clocked at 384mhz for even more performance.

If you scroll down to the Rightmark tests, you can see comparisons done at device native resolutions (800x480 and 960x540). The Adreno 220 and PowerVR SGX540 trade blows with marginal victories here. That tells me that when there are smaller fill-rate and geometric requirements, neither GPU is taxed and the device becomes limited by CPU, memory, and/or refresh rate. But, at 720p, the SGX540 is the clear winner.

Conclusion: It is my personal opinion that the CPU in both devices is comparable. Your choice, slightly better performance (Rezound) or slightly better battery life (Nexus). This doesn't take into account SMP vs. aSMP, which we can debate for days and I don't think will make much of a difference this generation anyway. In terms of the GPU, the Nexus straight up slaughters the Rezound when you take into account a 720p display. The Adreno 220 is an awesome GPU, but the new SX540 is just "more awesomer!"

But, this issue is still "clear as mud." I'd vote Nexus for overall hardware, and software updates. I'd vote Rezound for style and Sense UI. Either would make a kick-ass choice.

I agree and considering the single core 1.5ghz Scorpion beats the 4430 and Tegra 2 devices I have or tried with real apps and media, seems the dual core version is even more domination. Catch is the LTE chip in the TB is pretty bad compared to at least the Bionic. Can not speak for the Nexus or Razr, but the Rezound with the same TB chip is major baggage. Cross fingers that not the case, or some dramatic improvements with a refresh.

Due to the size of the Razr, seems Moto has found a way to be more power efficient. Had to, since a key excuse by OEMs for thick LTE devices was the LTE. Even with a removable battery, the Razr would still be way thinner than current LTE, including the Bionic.

 

[Medion]

I agree and considering the single core 1.5ghz Scorpion beats the 4430 and Tegra 2 devices I have or tried with real apps and media, seems the dual core version is even more domination.

I apologize, but I don't see how this is agreeing with me as it is the exact opposite of what I said. However, I can see where you are coming from. The majority of apps are single-threaded (or make minimal usage of multiple threads). By their inherent design, Scorpion and A9 can do limited multi-threading on one core (a la Intel Hyperthreading). Since most apps are only going to use the first core, the 1.5ghz Flyer will generally feel a little snappier than the 1.0ghz A9. Also, HTC Sense uses GPU acceleration for panning, scrolling, and zooming, something most OMAP (Blur) devices to this point do not do. This SHOULD change with ICS based on early previews.

Also, back to the "most apps are single-threaded" statement, you won't find many if any non-gaming apps that push ye-olde Snapdragon 1ghz. So these dual-core chips won't exhibit a substantial difference in performance anytime soon. The brings us to the GPU. Try N.O.V.A. 2 HD or a comparable game, and the difference is absurd. Both devices would smoke the Flyer, and while the Rezound should do very well, the Nexus would likely beat it. I look forward to testing this around launch.

 

[Deleted User]

After everything with my Inc and what I read about the Thunderbolt, I am willing to give HTC one more shot. I am not sure how many of you guys still have your Inc's or if they are rooted, but there is a Sense 3.5 ROM up on XDA. I'm going to try it out and see if I like it, if not then I'm going with the Galaxus.

 

[Crashumbc]

After everything with my Inc and what I read about the Thunderbolt, I am willing to give HTC one more shot. I am not sure how many of you guys still have your Inc's or if they are rooted, but there is a Sense 3.5 ROM up on XDA. I'm going to try it out and see if I like it, if not then I'm going with the Galaxus.

I'm running NilGsense(I think)'s 3.0 ROM. It's pretty nice.(Still getting used to the "lock ring". It runs ok on the Dinc. but you DO get a lag occasionally. From what I've read about 3.5 on the Dinc. its just too much for the old'e girl. Trying the rom to try and get a look of 3.5 is ok but it lags more often then not so trying get a "Feel" of how interacting with UI is going to be tough.

 

[rushmore]

I apologize, but I don't see how this is agreeing with me as it is the exact opposite of what I said. However, I can see where you are coming from. The majority of apps are single-threaded (or make minimal usage of multiple threads). By their inherent design, Scorpion and A9 can do limited multi-threading on one core (a la Intel Hyperthreading). Since most apps are only going to use the first core, the 1.5ghz Flyer will generally feel a little snappier than the 1.0ghz A9. Also, HTC Sense uses GPU acceleration for panning, scrolling, and zooming, something most OMAP (Blur) devices to this point do not do. This SHOULD change with ICS based on early previews.

Also, back to the "most apps are single-threaded" statement, you won't find many if any non-gaming apps that push ye-olde Snapdragon 1ghz. So these dual-core chips won't exhibit a substantial difference in performance anytime soon. The brings us to the GPU. Try N.O.V.A. 2 HD or a comparable game, and the difference is absurd. Both devices would smoke the Flyer, and while the Rezound should do very well, the Nexus would likely beat it. I look forward to testing this around launch.

That I did, but for what I use the device for, the Flyer is better than any current dual core for current apps, of which I use a ton.

Not too sure about NOVA 2 HD, since the iPod 4 version I have is single core and plays better and smoother than the Droid 3. Even Lets Play Golf 2 HD is better, compared to the Droid 3 and Thrive.

Seems more to it than just the hardware. Ram and data management are also issues. Then again, NOVA 2 and Lets Play Golf 2 could just be lazy ports.

As stands for current apps, the Flyer is better when compared to the 1ghz dual cores available now for Flash content, web browsing, game emulators and video. Actual user experience IMO is far better than extrapolating assumptions based on how a device should perform, based on tech specs. UI and app response is also faster and have same apps on all three devices. Added (all except the Tegra pinball game- Thrive only).

Not long to find out none the less, since all three devices should be out before December

 

[Deleted User]

I'm running NilGsense(I think)'s 3.0 ROM. It's pretty nice.(Still getting used to the "lock ring". It runs ok on the Dinc. but you DO get a lag occasionally. From what I've read about 3.5 on the Dinc. its just too much for the old'e girl. Trying the rom to try and get a look of 3.5 is ok but it lags more often then not so trying get a "Feel" of how interacting with UI is going to be tough.

The main reason I am trying this out is because if I decide to get the Vigor, then I am going to be stuck with Sense 3.5 on GB until it is rooted and an ICS ROM comes out. I am just trying to see if the experience is worth the wait for official ICS things like that.

 

[Medion]

That I did, but for what I use the device for, the Flyer is better than any current dual core for current apps, of which I use a ton.

It's like back in 2004 or 2005 when dual-core CPUs first came to the consumer desktop world. There was a case for higher-clocked single-cores because most software didn't take advantage of multi-core. Those single-core chips didn't last so long though. The same can be said here. If you currently own a fast single-core, you're in good shape. But, if you're buying new, I'd advise a dual-core for future-proofing.

Not too sure about NOVA 2 HD, since the iPod 4 version is single core and plays better and smoother than the Droid 3. Even Lets Play Golf 2 HD is better, compared to the Droid 3 and Thrive.

This is like the old console versus PC debate. It's easier to program for a close system than an old one. All iPhone 3Gs and iPhone 4 models, as well as their iPod touch counterparts, use the exact same CPU and GPU (with clock speeds being their only difference). Due to known hardware, they can eek out insane performance. The Droid 3 does use a superior GPU, but we're talking different OS and different APIs, not to mention the game is a port. This comparison doesn't apply when comparing two products using the same OS.

As stands for current apps, the Flyer is better when compared to the 1ghz dual cores available now for Flash content, web browsing, game emulators and video. Actual user experience IMO is far better than extrapolating assumptions based on how a device should perform, based on tech specs.

This is true. I've stated repeatedly that my Incredible is smoother in response than the Bionic, which is absurd given the hardware differences. However, I wasn't comparing user experience so much as actual hardware. So, to me, it's not relevant in THAT discussion. Bottom line is that anyone can spin an argument to say that performance is better on one device than another. Some of us are real good at it. But an iPhone to Android comparison for the sake of performance is apples to oranges is we're originally talking about android vs. android devices. An inferior set of hardware on the same software is not going to outperform the superior hardware. The Rezound should smoke the Flyer, and unless bogged down by poor software (Blur), the Nexus and RAZR should edge out the Rezound in key areas. That was my assertion based on and experience, math, published specs, and links to evidence backing up those claims.

 

[rushmore]

It's like back in 2004 or 2005 when dual-core CPUs first came to the consumer desktop world. There was a case for higher-clocked single-cores because most software didn't take advantage of multi-core. Those single-core chips didn't last so long though. The same can be said here. If you currently own a fast single-core, you're in good shape. But, if you're buying new, I'd advise a dual-core for future-proofing.



This is like the old console versus PC debate. It's easier to program for a close system than an old one. All iPhone 3Gs and iPhone 4 models, as well as their iPod touch counterparts, use the exact same CPU and GPU (with clock speeds being their only difference). Due to known hardware, they can eek out insane performance. The Droid 3 does use a superior GPU, but we're talking different OS and different APIs, not to mention the game is a port. This comparison doesn't apply when comparing two products using the same OS.



This is true. I've stated repeatedly that my Incredible is smoother in response than the Bionic, which is absurd given the hardware differences. However, I wasn't comparing user experience so much as actual hardware. So, to me, it's not relevant in THAT discussion. Bottom line is that anyone can spin an argument to say that performance is better on one device than another. Some of us are real good at it. But an iPhone to Android comparison for the sake of performance is apples to oranges is we're originally talking about android vs. android devices. An inferior set of hardware on the same software is not going to outperform the superior hardware. The Rezound should smoke the Flyer, and unless bogged down by poor software (Blur), the Nexus and RAZR should edge out the Rezound in key areas. That was my assertion based on and experience, math, published specs, and links to evidence backing up those claims.

Be nice to have all three devices out ASAP so we can stop our guessing

Added: My concerns based on knowns and guesses:

Nexus = No sd card (not an option for me)
Razr = Fixed battery, and 4430 at 1.2ghz. Will the thin design and chip selection result in a hot running device?
Rezound = If same LTE chip as TB, not good IMO.

My next device will be the Razr, Rezound, or wait next year for 28nm LTE... Based on reports from industry analysts, 28nm fabrication yeilds are still FAR away from prime-time.

Point being, 28nm might be later, rather than sooner in 2012.

 

[Medion]

Based on reports from industry analysts, 28nm fabrication yeilds are still FAR away from prime-time.

Point being, 28nm might be later, rather than sooner in 2012.

Dead on here. I have NEVER seen a new process meet a deadline. It's one thing to release a new product (OMAP 4470) based on a current process. That should meet deadlines. It's completely different to expect to release a new product based on an entirely new process (Exynos 4212, OMAP5, Krait) and expect to meet initial target dates.

 

[JunBringer]

Be nice to have all three devices out ASAP so we can stop our guessing

Added: My concerns based on knowns and guesses:

Nexus = No sd card (not an option for me)
Razr = Fixed battery, and 4430 at 1.2ghz. Will the thin design and chip selection result in a hot running device?
Rezound = If same LTE chip as TB, not good IMO.

My next device will be the Razr, Rezound, or wait next year for 28nm LTE... Based on reports from industry analysts, 28nm fabrication yeilds are still FAR away from prime-time.

Point being, 28nm might be later, rather than sooner in 2012.

Yeah your point about the LTE chip is very important here. I'm hoping the 3rd Generation Evo will have the type of chips that AT&T is bragging about, in that they're more efficient and a few other things I'm kind of vague about (apologies).

I'm hoping to get everything the Rezound has and more on the 3rd Generation Evo, as I'm likely to stick with Sprint through their LTE transition, also hoping that it has better building penetration than their Wimax did.

My choice would be the Rezound because assuming that the 16GB of on board storage + 32GB MicroSD is true, that's a BFD for me. Also I've loved my Evo 4G and Evo 3D, so I'm a sucker for Htc products. I'm also happy about the 720 and higher pixel density here. Using pentile matrix should just be banned or the terrorists win. As far as ICS goes, I'm ok with waiting a little bit for it to be on the Rezound rather than being a super early adopter. I think Htc brings a lot to the table as far as a very usable UI and don't think I can go back to not having a few of the very handy features they have.

tl;dr Rezound wins.

 

[NightAngel79]

tl;dr rezound wins.

+1 lmao!

 

[Deleted User]

+1 lmao!

I'm starting to think I might go with the SGN. I am tired of running out of app space because sense takes up so much space.

 

[mistermojorizi]

i am starting to lean towards the vigor. this will be my first android phone. used to have a blackberry and now on a cell phone. and even my cell phone has a farking sd card slot! anyone know what kind of screen it will be, if it'll have hdmi and gorilla glass? if its a 720p IPS LCD and does have hdmi, I think I'll go with it. Nexus just lacks those two features. Biggest draw of the nexus is the OS and first HD screen, though now they're saying it's pentile. thought I have a feeling it won't look like the bionic's pentile (my vision is not so good and I didn't know it was pentile--so no placebo effect--and I could see the right away that it had crossthatching...don't understand how anyone can say they don't)

 

[vzwuser76]

Yeah your point about the LTE chip is very important here. I'm hoping the 3rd Generation Evo will have the type of chips that AT&T is bragging about, in that they're more efficient and a few other things I'm kind of vague about (apologies).

I'm hoping to get everything the Rezound has and more on the 3rd Generation Evo, as I'm likely to stick with Sprint through their LTE transition, also hoping that it has better building penetration than their Wimax did.

My choice would be the Rezound because assuming that the 16GB of on board storage + 32GB MicroSD is true That's a BFD for me. Also I've loved my Evo 4G and Evo 3D, so I'm a sucker for Htc products. I'm also happy about the 720 and higher pixel density here. Using pentile matrix should just be banned or the terrorists win. As far as ICS goes, I'm ok with waiting a little bit for it to be on the Rezound rather than being a super early adopter. I think Htc brings a lot to the table as far as a very usable UI and don't think I can go back to not having a few of the very handy features they have.

tl;dr Rezound wins.

It may or may not. I just read the other day about Sprint's LTE transition and it said that they are going to use thier 1900MHz band along with their 800MHz iDEN (Nextel) bands for LTE. Where customers are going to have issues is under the 1900MHz coverage. The lower the frequencies, the better the building penetration. So if you're also in an area that was covered by Nextel (800MHz), you should be okay, otherwise it will probably be about the same building penetration as WiMax.

 

[vzwuser76]

i am starting to lean towards the vigor. this will be my first android phone. used to have a blackberry and now on a cell phone. and even my cell phone has a farking sd card slot! anyone know what kind of screen it will be, if it'll have hdmi and gorilla glass? if its a 720p IPS LCD and does have hdmi, I think I'll go with it. Nexus just lacks those two features. Biggest draw of the nexus is the OS and first HD screen, though now they're saying it's pentile. thought I have a feeling it won't look like the bionic's pentile (my vision is not so good and I didn't know it was pentile--so no placebo effect--and I could see the right away that it had crossthatching...don't understand how anyone can say they don't)

I'll try to answer what I can.

The Nexus
I don't know if they're using a standar hdmi out or a microsub with MHL (allows hdmi out with a microusb and an adapter).

It's not gorilla glass (that's made the news a bit the last couple of days) but it a fortified glass, just not Corning's gorrilla glass. Gorilla glass is the brand name of Corning's version of fortified glass. I don't know if it's better, worse, or the same as others.

Nexus screen is a Super Amoled screen with pentile. It has similar pixel density to the i4/i4s. Samsung has a better screen tech called Super Amoled Plus, but I don't think they are able to get that pixel density on those screens yet. I don't believe it's IPS since I think that's LG's technology, but anyone correct me if I'm wrong. As far as it being pentile, some are saying that with the pixel density the pentile won't be noticable, so it's probably not an issue.

The Vigor/Rezound
The charging port looks to be the same modified microusb that was on the original Incredible. That phone had a tv-out cable with 3 RCA connecctors for left & right audio, and video (aka composite a/v). This phone will probably be able to use that cable and I'd bet that they've also got a similar one for hdmi out as well (may be standard or using MHL).

No idea on the glass, but if it's anything like the other HTC phones I've had (Incredible 1 & 2, Thunderbolt) there shouldn't be any problems. I think anymore all of these phones use some form of fortified glass or another. My Inc1 has a few scratches, but after having dropped it many times (I try to be careful) including going about halfway down bare wooden stairs to the cement below, I'd say it did just fine, or I'm very lucky.

As far as the screens, again if they follow the past phones, it will probably be a 720p S-LCD. Some are thinking maybe a form of Samsung's amoled since the Razr has one, but there isn't any info on that yet. I'm sure we'll find out on Nov. 3rd.

Sorry not much is definitive, but until they are announced, all we can really do is speculate. Mostly I'm going by what has been announced and also by what has happened in the past.

 

[jikhead]

Both the Galaxy Nexus and the HTC Rezound are using the MHL standard. With this standard, you don't need to have both a micro-USB port AND a HDMI port. MHL is really more practical, but you will need an HDMI adapter. Go pull up a search on MHL and you'll understand why it was created in the first place; mainly because you couldn't charge the phone thru the HDMI port.

I think Google is going to be pushing the Cloud especially since their Google Music Store is about to launch soon, part of the reason of going to fixed memory chips instead of external SD.

The Nexus will have pentile but nothing like previous Motorola phones. My Droid Incredible has the same type of screen as the Nexus with a SAMOLED pentile. It is an excellent screen. It was just MOTO's pentile screen's that pretty much sucked and looked pixel-eee. Should be a non issue for the GN.

 

[Medion]

The Nexus will have pentile but nothing like previous Motorola phones. My Droid Incredible has the same type of screen as the Nexus with a SAMOLED pentile. It is an excellent screen. It was just MOTO's pentile screen's that pretty much sucked and looked pixel-eee. Should be a non issue for the GN.

FYI, the screen in the Droid Incredible is AMOLED, but it is not Super AMOLED (a technology that came out slightly later and was restricted to Samsung-made devices). The Incredible's AMOLED display can only produce 16-bit color, dithered from a 24-bit source. Super AMOLED can produce true 24-bit color, and it's brighter while being less reflective. Compare the Incredible to a Galaxy S and the screen difference is huge.

So, if you liked the Incredible's OLED display, you'll absolutely love the display on the Nexus. You are absolutely correct in stating that the Nexus' display is a far cry from Moto's PenTile efforts.