Romney vs. Obama

[A.Nonymous]

If he did something illegal in his taxes, that would be relevant. Of course, there is also plausible deniability since I seriously doubt that Romney does his own taxes and knows the intimate details of them.

If that were the case I suspect the IRS would've been all over it already.

 

[ElasticNinja]

No, that's not true. The problem was that there was no competiton among big companies. One or two big government companies were making all refrigerators without competition, for example. Soviet government focused on weapons and did not care that refrigerators were crappy. People had to buy no matter what they produce, for these two government companies were allowed to make and sell refrigerators. In fact, in the 1980s, there were analogs of small businesses in USSR, but it did not help a bit.
India and Pakistan have small businesses. And what? These countries are still crapholes.

Wow. LOL.
I think your economic notions are somewhat lacking.

And those who vote for Obama want a welfare state.

And? What's wrong with a welfare state? It's nice when no one starves and everyone can access some sort of decent healthcare.

Eventually, not from the very beginning.
I am sorry, but your friend with a gofer business sounds more like a loser than an entrepreneur.

Yes because "losers" have the confidence and ability to start businesses.

Something that will eventually bring good income on its own without personal participation, but remember I am an elitist.

Your elitism is indeed reflected in your wish for lower income people to not have healthcare or a decent quality of life.

 

[A.Nonymous]

If he did something illegal in his taxes, that would be relevant. Of course, there is also plausible deniability since I seriously doubt that Romney does his own taxes and knows the intimate details of them.

I'll also add that if he was cheating on his taxes and the IRS didn't catch it, the chances that the average joe would figure it out are next to 0. I certainly don't have any expertise in tax law that would be needed to dive through a return of several hundred pages and I doubt most people do. On top of that, there's the simple fact that you can hand two different CPAs the same information and they'll come back with two different tax returns because the code is so complex. I fail to see any benefit of any candidate releasing their tax returns.

 

[Spike15]

Wow. LOL.
I think your economic notions are somewhat lacking.

And? What's wrong with a welfare state? It's nice when no one starves and everyone can access some sort of decent healthcare.


Yes because "losers" have the confidence and ability to start businesses.


Your elitism is indeed reflected in your wish for lower income people to not have healthcare or a decent quality of life.

There is a huge difference between a social safety network and a welfare state. You like welfare state; you pay for it. I will use my money for something else. LOL I won't even waste my time responding to the rest of this.

 

[ElasticNinja]

There is a huge difference between a social safety network and a welfare state. You like welfare state; you pay for it. I will use my money for something else. LOL I won't even waste my time responding to the rest of this.

There isnt a huge difference at all? I would just say a welfare state is somewhat more comprehensive. And I wish you luck with that attitude if you find yourself in the position of needing state assistance but you then realise in the US its piss-poor.

 

[A.Nonymous]

There isnt a huge difference at all? I would just say a welfare state is somewhat more comprehensive. And I wish you luck with that attitude if you find yourself in the position of needing state assistance but you then realise in the US its piss-poor.

Well, here in the US, you can grab your lawn mower, go door to door and have your own lawn care business. Oh wait. That's not a business at all. That's loser behavior. Never mind.

 

[Spike15]

There isnt a huge difference at all? I would just say a welfare state is somewhat more comprehensive. And I wish you luck with that attitude if you find yourself in the position of needing state assistance but you then realise in the US its piss-poor.

What? You think I am rich and have never experienced anything. I was poor and homeless 8 years ago, and not a damn agency helped me. Agencies are not effective and a waste of taxpayers resources. I know they are worthless because I have been there. Try to get a free housing; it is not available because some people stay for 10 years there without any intention to get out. I am doing very well now without the experience of mowing lawns or cleaning restrooms. There are better and more effective ways to get out of poverty.

 

[Spike15]

Well, here in the US, you can grab your lawn mower, go door to door and have your own lawn care business. Oh wait. That's not a business at all. That's loser behavior. Never mind.

Yeah, good luck to you with lawn mowing, and I will go ahead and use my brain. I can make $20 an hour without any physical effort.

 

[A.Nonymous]

What? You think I am rich and have never experienced anything. I was poor and homeless 8 years ago, and not a damn agency helped me. Agencies are not effective and a waste of taxpayers resources. I know they are worthless because I have been there. Try to get a free housing; it is not available because some people stay for 10 years there without any intention to get out. I am doing very well now without the experience of mowing lawns or cleaning restrooms. There are better and more effective ways to get out of poverty.

Yeah, working to get out of poverty never works.

 

[Spike15]

Yeah, working to get out of poverty never works.

It depends on what you do and how much you are getting paid.

 

[ylexot]

Do you have any examples of non-software, non-catering, non-gofering company that started from nothing, such as a pharmaceutical company or chipset manufacturers.

Dogfish Head Brewery.

 

[A.Nonymous]

It depends on what you do and how much you are getting paid.

I pay a kid $20 to mow my lawn. It takes him no more than 30 mins to do the job. Then he crosses the street and mows my neighbors lawn for which he probably charges the same thing. The neighbor's lawn is no bigger than mine. So he makes $40 an hour. That is good money for honest work as far as I'm concerned.

 

[ElasticNinja]

What? You think I am rich and have never experienced anything. I was poor and homeless 8 years ago, and not a damn agency helped me. Agencies are not effective and a waste of taxpayers resources. I know they are worthless because I have been there. Try to get a free housing; it is not available because some people stay for 10 years there without any intention to get out. I am doing very well now without the experience of mowing lawns or cleaning restrooms. There are better and more effective ways to get out of poverty.

No I dont think you're rich. I just think you fail to think things through and/or empathise. Agencies and charities are often very effective, I would think its that they are overstrecthed and underfunded in the US. And the fact that people would stay in free housing so long would reflect a lack of social and affordable housing.

And you are homeless yet begrudge those who perform menial tasks? Lovely...

I pay a kid $20 to mow my lawn. It takes him no more than 30 mins to do the job. Then he crosses the street and mows my neighbors lawn for which he probably charges the same thing. The neighbor's lawn is no bigger than mine. So he makes $40 an hour. That is good money for honest work as far as I'm concerned.

$20 seems excessive Never get that here!

 

[Spike15]

No I dont think you're rich. I just think you fail to think things through and/or empathise. Agencies and charities are often very effective, I would think its that they are overstrecthed and underfunded in the US. And the fact that people would stay in free housing so long would reflect a lack of social and affordable housing.

And you are homeless yet begrudge those who perform menial tasks? Lovely...

Can you read? I was homeless at some point, not anymore and not for long.

Whatever people can do to survive. Just don't give me this bull that mowing lawns is a great economic opportunity and the way to prosperity.

Agencies and charities convert people to lazy freeloaders. They should provide help at hard times for limited period but not to feed someone for life unless the person is sick and can't work. Other people in need lose when someone able-bodied lives forever in free housing. I would not need their help for more than a couple of months.

I am sorry, but there is no good excuse to stay in a free housing for 10 years unless you are sick.

When I needed help, agencies only came up with reasons why I don't qualify, and did not give a dime. Yeah, sorry I was responsible and did not make 10 kids to qualify.

 

[Spike15]

I pay a kid $20 to mow my lawn. It takes him no more than 30 mins to do the job. Then he crosses the street and mows my neighbors lawn for which he probably charges the same thing. The neighbor's lawn is no bigger than mine. So he makes $40 an hour. That is good money for honest work as far as I'm concerned.

Kids should focus on school work! Good education is the way to prosperity.

 

[A.Nonymous]

Kids should focus on school work! Good education is the way to prosperity.

Right. It's July. Some kid knocks on my door and asks if he can mow my lawn for some money. I should tell him to go to summer school instead. That sounds great. I'd rather teach the kid that hard work and initiative pay off. That works well whether you're educated or not.

I love the way you frown on blue collar work, but you're not an elitist at all.

 

[Spike15]

You should tell him that it is too hot to mow the lawn and he can get a heatstroke.

 

[reiththestud]

Okay, this is my first foray into the politics forum, and I am NOT reading 15 pages to get caught up, so I'm just going to give my two cents on the Romney vs. Obama debate.

I'm not a fan of Obama and I consider myself to be a right-leaning moderate. I'll vote for a Democrat if I like their policies, but Obama is a no-go for me.

As for Romney, I could not have been more disappointed in a Republican candidate unless it had been Santorum. Everyone ran as far to the right as they could go in the primary, only so they can run back to the center to get the moderate vote in general election. Romney is a softball and no true Republican really likes him. The best thing I have ever heard said about him is "I think he has the best chance to beat Obama". I couldn't tell you ONE THING about his platform. He is embarrassing in interviews and he has no ability to answer a direct question. Do I want to see a Republican win? Yes. But not him. I feel 4 years with him would be uneventful and would result in a Democrat win in 2016.

I really liked Herman Cain until.... well.... we all saw that train wreck happen. I liked Huntsman, but he didn't play the "run to the right as fast as you can" game. I have a feeling I will probably right in Ron Paul's name.... Again.... I'm in Washington State so it's not like any Red vote matters anyway. I just don't want to give the Republican Party the satisfaction of thinking they can pick our candidate for us because they "know what's best".

 

[ylexot]

I have a feeling I will probably right in Ron Paul's name.... Again.... I'm in Washington State so it's not like any Red vote matters anyway. I just don't want to give the Republican Party the satisfaction of thinking they can pick our candidate for us because they "know what's best".

Vote for Gary Johnson instead.

 

[Speed Daemon]

Kids should focus on school work! Good education is the way to prosperity.

"Moderation in all things."

I'm a strong believer in education, and credit my education (both supervised and on my own) to my level of success today. But there is such a thing as going too far.

My mother was absolutely anal about education taking priority over everything, no exceptions. I was also forbidden to get a job as a minor, because it might take away a second of time from my formal studies. The result was that I was forced to miss important family events, including my grandfather's funeral (we were very close), and my first ventures into the working world were really bad.

I had the privilege of being able to work at a place that hired high school students and got to see how valuable an experience it was for these kids to get real work experience sooner than later. Most of those kids went on to college, and I'll bet that their high school work study gave them an edge over other college graduates. I can say with certainty that my job experiences as a young adult before and during college prepared me for the real world of business.

 

[Android311]

Vote for me

 

[Speed Daemon]

I pay a kid $20 to mow my lawn. It takes him no more than 30 mins to do the job. Then he crosses the street and mows my neighbors lawn for which he probably charges the same thing. The neighbor's lawn is no bigger than mine. So he makes $40 an hour. That is good money for honest work as far as I'm concerned.

And with the price of gas the way it is, that $20 gross isn't that much after you subtract business expenses like the cost of lawnmowers, fuel, oil and maintenance and more.

 

[Spike15]

"Moderation in all things."

I'm a strong believer in education, and credit my education (both supervised and on my own) to my level of success today. But there is such a thing as going too far.

My mother was absolutely anal about education taking priority over everything, no exceptions. I was also forbidden to get a job as a minor, because it might take away a second of time from my formal studies. The result was that I was forced to miss important family events, including my grandfather's funeral (we were very close), and my first ventures into the working world were really bad.

I had the privilege of being able to work at a place that hired high school students and got to see how valuable an experience it was for these kids to get real work experience sooner than later. Most of those kids went on to college, and I'll bet that their high school work study gave them an edge over other college graduates. I can say with certainty that my job experiences as a young adult before and during college prepared me for the real world of business.

I don't know whether high school work experience helps in college. I did not have one and graduated at the top of my class in college while working 30 hours per week. It probably depends more on the person than whether they had any work experience. I have seen many college students who focus too much on menial jobs while in college and then graduate without good job prospects due to low GPA and lack of field-related experience. I worked while in college, but my jobs were directly beneficial to my future career.
I have also seen many kids who worked at high school never making it to college.
My parents had different approach to my education. They were never anal about anything. They just taught me to read when I was three years old and made me love reading books. After I was 7 years old, my parents never even checked my homework or grade reports.

 

[ElasticNinja]

I love the way you frown on blue collar work, but you're not an elitist at all.

IKR? Tis mad.

You should tell him that it is too hot to mow the lawn and he can get a heatstroke.

While he's at it he should report him for not drinking an adequate amount of water or paying tax.

I really liked Herman Cain until.... well.... we all saw that train wreck happen. I liked Huntsman, but he didn't play the "run to the right as fast as you can" game. I have a feeling I will probably right in Ron Paul's name.... Again.... I'm in Washington State so it's not like any Red vote matters anyway. I just don't want to give the Republican Party the satisfaction of thinking they can pick our candidate for us because they "know what's best".

Huntsman seemed like a decent candidate. Shame he's wasted on the Republican Party of today.

I had the privilege of being able to work at a place that hired high school students and got to see how valuable an experience it was for these kids to get real work experience sooner than later. Most of those kids went on to college, and I'll bet that their high school work study gave them an edge over other college graduates. I can say with certainty that my job experiences as a young adult before and during college prepared me for the real world of business.

I think its fairly important to develop skills with regards to being intuitive yet not doing things you shouldnt, dealing with superiors and older staff members, etc.

Vote for me

Unfortunately your location and previous posts would preclude me from doing so.

And with the price of gas the way it is, that $20 gross isn't that much after you subtract business expenses like the cost of lawnmowers, fuel, oil and maintenance and more.

You're overstating the cost of lawnmowers and petrol. I'd profit out of that at

 

[reiththestud]

Huntsman seemed like a decent candidate. Shame he's wasted on the Republican Party of today.

No kidding