Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Nevertheless you must choose one or the other as a responsible citizen, or cast a default vote the most aggressive one (GOP). You're just as responsible for not voting as for your choice in voting, IMO.
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Romney vs. Obama
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Speed Daemon
Android Expert
I was expecting that.
Yes, there are some kids who get the free capital investment. OTOH I knew plenty of kids whose parents didn't let them use the family mower, who saved their money, went around buying used mowers, fixing them up and using them up themselves. One guy was so good at this that he franchised his lawn cutting business by renting his spare mowers and other tools to other kids.
This guy went to college, but ended up buying old Harleys, fixing them up and selling them to rich dentists, right at the time that became popular. He probably made more money using his self-taught skills than he would have in corporate business.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Buying old Harleys, fixing them up and selling them to rich people is not a business. Also he's not an entrepreneur either. He is doing crap work that is worthless. Just so you know.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
That would mostly be internal charity, heck most of it probably doesn't leave the county, never mind state.
I'm on about money that is sent to third world countries (and Israel I guess, sigh).
Most developed countries need internal charities far less than US due to universal healthcare and better social supports.
I would believe that. Religion is great at extracting money from people
Isn't Christian Aid the biggest foreign charity in the US? Says a lot (don't get me wrong, lots of charities here are religious, just less so).
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
So what you're saying is that all sole proprietors are really just lazy bums, that all of those "picker" TV shows are pure fiction, and that antique stores and companies like Christie's that auction antiques for huge profits are illegitimate?Buying old Harleys, fixing them up and selling them to rich people is not a business. Also he's not an entrepreneur either. He is doing crap work that is worthless. Just so you know.
I might agree about antiques stores, but that's about it. The inference that the only "real" work is to go work for a large corporation is false.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
His comment was one of sarcasm directed at someone else who has mysteriously disappeared from this thread, perhaps off to some alternate reality.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
That may be. As I said those sources didn't cite any first party sources so I can't say. One of them theorized that European countries give less because they feel they are taxed enough that it's the government's problem and not theirs. Here in the US those who have the philosophy of depending totally on the feds to take care of them are looked at with suspicion if not disdain.
I would believe that. Religion is great at extracting money from people
Isn't Christian Aid the biggest foreign charity in the US? Says a lot (don't get me wrong, lots of charities here are religious, just less so).
The quote was referring to politics, not religion. The self described conservatives give more than the self described liberals.
Not my words. The words of another poster. Apparently it's not a business unless it's something that can one day provide you an income without you working. If whatever you're doing relies on your skill/expertise, it's crap and doesn't matter.
saptech
Android Expert
Mitt Romney over President Obama on the economy, says poll | ksdk.com
I'm not really hearing anything positive about how he will help create jobs as president. So far only attacking Obama.
If his experience with Bain was buying out companies, outsourcing jobs and merging companies, then I see that as not creating jobs but causing layoffs, at least at the beginning stage.
Just a thought!
I'm not really hearing anything positive about how he will help create jobs as president. So far only attacking Obama.
If his experience with Bain was buying out companies, outsourcing jobs and merging companies, then I see that as not creating jobs but causing layoffs, at least at the beginning stage.
Just a thought!
That would mostly be internal charity, heck most of it probably doesn't leave the county, never mind state.
I'm on about money that is sent to third world countries (and Israel I guess, sigh).
Most developed countries need internal charities far less than US due to universal healthcare and better social supports.
I would believe that. Religion is great at extracting money from people
Isn't Christian Aid the biggest foreign charity in the US? Says a lot (don't get me wrong, lots of charities here are religious, just less so).
Here's a link to an article in The Guardian (which is not a publication I would describe as right-leaning or pro US) for a 2011 study done by a group called the Charities Aid Foundation. For what it's worth it ranks the US at the top.
sherry wilson
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it would be nice if obama worked as hard as he campaigns, golfs and watches basketball. Doesn't he qualify for the 1%. I say hipocrite
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
I'm not disagreeing with this at all! I was on about foreign aid D:
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Try doing his job and see if you're working hard.
And based on his income he would indeed be part of said 1%. How does this make him a hypocrite?
Do you propose a revolution to create a classless stateless society where golf and baseball is banned Comrade?
simontalks
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Obama's performance is exactly what you should have expected from someone with the qualifications he brought to office. Would you expect a gourmet meal from your gynecologist?
Fair enough. I don't see anything in that survey that breaks down to foreign aid vs non foreign aid. I don't find the distinction very compelling though, giving to the poor is giving to the poor (unless it ends up in a foreign dictator's slush fund of course
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A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Fair enough. I don't see anything in that survey that breaks down to foreign aid vs non foreign aid. I don't find the distinction very compelling though, giving to the poor is giving to the poor (unless it ends up in a foreign dictator's slush fund of course
Hey! I enjoy my slush fund thank you very much! How do you think I afford all my tablets?
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Fair enough. I don't see anything in that survey that breaks down to foreign aid vs non foreign aid. I don't find the distinction very compelling though, giving to the poor is giving to the poor (unless it ends up in a foreign dictator's slush fund of course
Western poor people don't compare to even those in lower middle income countries. Just because your citizens give some money to local charity doesn't exempt you from your commitments.
In my opinion if someone has truly given what they can, even if it all goes to the poor of industrialized nations, they have fulfilled their "commitments" as you put it.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Do we have "commitments" to give to foreign countries? By we, I mean we as private citizens.
reiththestud
Android Enthusiast
You won't find a lot of love from me for Romney, but I personally don't understand why he doesn't embrace his Bain outsourcing record. His job then wasn't to form politics for better business conditions, his job was to save businesses that were struggling under the present business conditions of the time. And at the time, outsourcing was an effective way of saving a business. Which again, was his job.
Now that he has had that experience with what hurts businesses and drives their business overseas, he is in a better position to form economic policies that would eliminate that. I don't see his outsourcing record as a detriment in this case, I see it as an asset.
That being said, I do not care for Romney and I am not sure I will even vote for him even though I am a conservative leaning moderate.
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
No, despite you and ElasticNinja claiming otherwise, I was in fact responding to:
Just to be completely clear, I was challenging your unwritten definitions of "business" and "entrepreneur", as well as your calling the practice of selling value added products "crap" and "worthless".Buying old Harleys, fixing them up and selling them to rich people is not a business. Also he's not an entrepreneur either. He is doing crap work that is worthless. Just so you know.
Since you took the liberty of using private definitions without first sharing them with me, I think it's fair that I went ahead and cited a few examples that do meet the dictionary definitions.
I challenge that as well.
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Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Some do. A lot of people who give tithes to their churches are giving that money to help people abroad. Then there are private charities.
Just so we're all on the same page here, a commitment is typically a voluntary thing. Obligations OTOH are things that you should do because of ethical, moral and/or legal reasons. Individual citizens of a country that used some poor African nation in a proxy war aren't personally obligated to make things right with that country, unless they played some personal role there outside of government.
The countries like the US and the former USSR do have some obligation to clean up the messes they left behind. That means that we individuals pay for it in taxes or reduced government services for ourselves.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
You do via your governments at least.
You forgot about Europe? Perhaps the colonial legacy wears off.
Anyway I agree with your point about countries used as proxies, but aid is more about rebalancing our exploitation of others and helping them get on two feet. Unfortunately aid is all terribly unbalanced but still its gotten better since the Cold War.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Well election is over if Romney gets nominated. It's not that Romney lied, but lied and was so easily caught. Don't think even the dittoheads will vote for this clown. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republican Party found a way not to nominate Romney at the convention.
Romney tests electorate's tolerance for lying - Video on NBCNews.com
Romney tests electorate's tolerance for lying - Video on NBCNews.com
reiththestud
Android Enthusiast
That is shocking. I have never known a politician to take his opponent's quotes so brazenly out of context and use it against them. Such low-down underhanded trickery is appalling in the world of politics where things are usually handled in a much more professional and cordial manner. I expected much better from him. I will now be voting for Barack Obama who has proven time and time again that him, and his campaign machine, are above such petty campaign practices.
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"I'm not concerned about the very poor" - Mitt Romney
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