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akazabam said:
This is why I'm not a fan of solutions like this. All I can find in the xda thread is a bunch of people with the same problem, but no idea how to fix it. I've never used it. Perhaps consider rerooting either with unrevoked or autoroot now that you have a fresh start.
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Thanks. I've posted in a couple of the XDA forums about the z4root issue, but nothing yet for a resolution. So yeah, I'm considering root again as I really do want full backups, and I thought I'd get that with z4root. :rolleyes: It's just that I have that same fear of voiding my warranty should something happen. :o

What's this new "autoroot" process I'm hearing about in addition to Unrevoked?
 
Rambler358 said:
Thanks. I've posted in a couple of the XDA forums about the z4root issue, but nothing yet for a resolution. So yeah, I'm considering root again as I really do want full backups, and I thought I'd get that with z4root. :rolleyes: It's just that I have that same fear of voiding my warranty should something happen. :o

What's this new "autoroot" process I'm hearing about in addition to Unrevoked?
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Ultimately, it does the exact thing as unrevoked (flash unrevoked-forever), so it's no different in that sense, but it does have an alternate method that will flash the eng hboot to give you s-off instead of unrevoked. My understanding is that you should only do that if you have an older phone, though (don't do it with the newer partitions). You can find it here:

[ROOT] ~~~ HTC EVO - Universal Auto Root ~~~ v2.2 (works with all version)(1/10/11) - xda-developers

Heed the warning about the eng bootloader. In fact, now that you've accepted the OTA update, it might not even be possible. Not sure. In any case, if your intention is to use the unrevoked method of autoroot, you may as well just use unrevoked. It ultimately is the same.
 
I am about to flash with fresh evo 3.4.0.1 but after reading the guide I have a couple of questions.

Step 1 of prerooting talks about the app list backup and using titanium backup. I have used both but I am wondering if I format my SD card won't that get rid of the titanium backup and apps list backup? Will doing a factory data reset get rid of the root I have presently? will formatting the SD card get rid of the root?

I have a stock root with 2.2 and want a rom with the newest updates included and will hopefully get wifi-tether to actually work (or even better let me use the sprint hotspot without paying). Figure starting over might be best option. Is Fresh Evo the best bet for me?
 
jongordo8 said:
I am about to flash with fresh evo 3.4.0.1 but after reading the guide I have a couple of questions.

Step 1 of prerooting talks about the app list backup and using titanium backup. I have used both but I am wondering if I format my SD card won't that get rid of the titanium backup and apps list backup? Will doing a factory data reset get rid of the root I have presently? will formatting the SD card get rid of the root?

I have a stock root with 2.2 and want a rom with the newest updates included and will hopefully get wifi-tether to actually work (or even better let me use the sprint hotspot without paying). Figure starting over might be best option. Is Fresh Evo the best bet for me?
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1) If you're going to format the card (for partitioning it I assume), you will need to copy everything from the card to your computer, first, then copy it back. Of course, only format the card if you intend on using a2sd. There really isn't any other reason to.

2) Doing a factory reset (wiping data in recovery), will wipe out /data, which will take your stock/custom ROM back to the way it was when flashed. Basically, not you won't lose root. Formatting the sdcard will not remove root, either. If you rooted with unrevoked, the only way to unroot is by flashing the s-on tool from recovery, then flashing to PC36IMG or running a RUU to remove the rest (recovery/ROM image).

3) What is your current OTA (3.29? 3.30? 3.70?)? Fresh 3.5 is the latest, and is based on 3.70. If you have 3.70, you must flash a ROM based on it. If you have an older OTA, you can flash a ROM based on 3.70, but you must flash the radios, too. There are instructions in the OP.
 
sellout007 said:
Also was looking into dl'ing Lookout mobile security, will something like this decrease battery life?
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I had Lookout installed before and after rooting, both with the stock battery and my extended battery. I have never noticed it to be any type of battery hog. But I don't use Lookout for all of the options, I only use it just in case I ever lost my phone.

It also has options for Security, Privacy Advisor (Premium), and Backup. So battery use would go up if I had those options enabled. If you did have those options enabled there are settings for each program that allow you to set the frequency of updates. You have options for: daily, weekly, pick one certain day, pick what hour, etc.. So even with Security & Backups turned on, I could have it set to only update at night when my phone is plugged in anyway so no worry about any extra battery drain.
 
sellout007 said:
Ok successful root last night. Downloaded the tether app and it works flawlessly! Very excited. Was looking at other apps like Titanium Backup to freeze bloatware and have a few questions. It asks me to check the usb debugging box again ( i unchecked it after the unrevoked3 installed and everything was working). And it also asked me to check/uncheck something else I can't remeber but I felt like it would open my phone to anyone or leave it vulnerable. Is that true?

Also was looking into dl'ing Lookout mobile security, will something like this decrease battery life?
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Lookout drains your battery like crazy! You think your battery is bad now it will only give you about 3 hours of battery life. I unistalled cuz i didnt want it anymore an i noticed that i was doing the same i did before an was getting 6 hours! I just flashed a custom rom an kernel an now i get 13 hours. If ya want read this page at the top an flash what he recommend for me an you battery will increase Majorley
 
BlakeK92 said:
Lookout drains your battery like crazy! You think your battery is bad now it will only give you about 3 hours of battery life. I unistalled cuz i didnt want it anymore an i noticed that i was doing the same i did before an was getting 6 hours! I just flashed a custom rom an kernel an now i get 13 hours. If ya want read this page at the top an flash what he recommend for me an you battery will increase Majorley
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I have been using lookout for months and do not have the battery issue you described. The only time it should be doing anything is when you either download an app that it scans or you are locating your phone and it's using the GPS.
 
NAME: Myn’s Warm TwoPointTwo
VERSION: RLS5 (1/07/2011)
WEBSITE: [ROM] Myn’s Warm TwoPointTwo - [RLS 5 - 01/07/2011] - More Than Meets The Eye! - xda-developers
OVERALL RATING: 5

WHAT DOES NOT WORK IN THE ROM (ROM ONLY):
I've been using this ROM for about 3 days now and have been unable to find anything that is not working. I am trying to test all the features but it seems like everything works fine. Note: I do not have 4G in my area so I cannot test it.

YOUR IMPRESSION OVERALL OF THE ROM/KERNEL:
I am completely impressed. This ROM is snappy and I have yet to have the first problem with it yet. I immediately flashed SBC for Netarchy's 4.2.2 More Aggressive CFS Kernel on this device to enable overclocking and have yet to have any sort of lag, force close, or failure with settings up to 1152Mhz (SetCPU profile: ondemand)

How easy was it to install? Simple, flash in recovery. Be sure to wipe data/cache/dalvik
How long have you been using it? 3 complete days
Is it user-friendly? Yes, very. It is very simplistic to the HTC Sense UI. Nobody should have a problem using this ROM
Does it Force Close alot? Nope, hasn't yet
What are your favorite features? I am in love with the elimination of lag over Stock ROMs, seems to have a higher fps, feel alot smoother, and I love the basic theme (espescially the lock screen) throughout the ROM
What are your least favorite features? I'm still trying to adjust to the custom keyboard, but there are other options available to flash into it. (It is the same setup just the visualization of the colors messes with my eyes)
What kind of battery life does it have? This ROM seems to be on par with my Stock ROM and Netacrhy Kernel settings on the same SetCPU profiles
Would you recommend this ROM/KERNEL to others? Yes, I definettely think if your not looking for a 2.3 Rom then this is the one for you
What combination of ROM & KERNEL are you using? Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo RLS5 & SBC for Netarchy's 4.2.2 More Aggressive CFS Kernel

And of course, whatever else you want to add in your review.
Titanium Backup is your best tool when it comes to restoring Apps+Data after flashing ROMS or cleaning data/cache/dalvik. Myn"s page also has plenty of customizable features to RLS5, Check it out!
 
Just ROOTed my second device, FINALLY!!!

My wife got herself an HTC Incredible on Verizon and she quickly told me "WILL YOU ROOT MY PHONE?!?!"

My response.. "YES! GIMMIE!!"

I did have a problem though. I didn't format her device, so I could see what would happen. And yeah, it gave me the "Error: failed to get root. Is your firmware too new?" So, of course, I formatted it, and re-ROOTed, and it went through. Now she is wanting to learn all the yummy goodness of ROMs and Kernels and such.


EDIT:

Probably going to take the guide and alter so it fits the Incredible and post it on their Section.
Doesn't look like much is going on over there. Maybe I can liven up the place. Here's hopin'!
 
Now that i've been running a couple of different rom's for the last month (if I run one for 4 days thats a long time) I have a couple of zipped rom files on my sd card. Since I've made a nand for the rom I've run can I delete the zip file? I still have the stock 8gb sd card and want to free up space and not spend the money on a bigger card.

also and the updated radios zipped files???
 
I just flashed my first ROM, the new Stock HTC ROM.

How do I get all of the apps that are on my SD card to show back up on my phone?
 
aliveon2legs said:
I just flashed my first ROM, the new Stock HTC ROM.

How do I get all of the apps that are on my SD card to show back up on my phone?
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I assume you're talking about the normal froyo apps2sd, correct? When you move apps to the sdcard that way, all you're doing is moving portions of it. It has to leave part on the phone for various reasons. When you wipe the phone, and flash a ROM, you lose the apps that were on the sdcard. You would have needed to back them up with something like titanium backup, then move them back to the sdcard after restoring them. This is, of course, unless you're using a2sd on a separate partition. I assume since you came from stock, this isn't the case. Let me know if what I described isn't what you're talking about.
 
akazabam said:
I assume you're talking about the normal froyo apps2sd, correct? When you move apps to the sdcard that way, all you're doing is moving portions of it. It has to leave part on the phone for various reasons. When you wipe the phone, and flash a ROM, you lose the apps that were on the sdcard. You would have needed to back them up with something like titanium backup, then move them back to the sdcard after restoring them. This is, of course, unless you're using a2sd on a separate partition. I assume since you came from stock, this isn't the case. Let me know if what I described isn't what you're talking about.
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Some were moved to the SD card via Titanium, some via Froyo. It sounds like my best bet is to restore with my NAND backup, then make sure everything is backed up with Titanium before I flash again.

Thanks for the help.
 
aliveon2legs said:
Some were moved to the SD card via Titanium, some via Froyo. It sounds like my best bet is to restore with my NAND backup, then make sure everything is backed up with Titanium before I flash again.

Thanks for the help.
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That's correct. You still need to back them up, restore them, then move them to the sdcard.
 
You should always wipe data before flashing a new ROM. There are some exceptions. If you're updating a ROM, you can usually get away wit wiping data, but if the developer suggests you wipe data, you probably should. It will help you avoid conflicts. Weird things can happen sometimes if you don't, and it can be hard to troubleshoot.
 
I have a friend that gave me the impression he just switched back and forth between ROM's all the time. If he's having to wipe every time, I can't imagine that is the case. I probably just misunderstood him.

I saw in another thread you said not to use the batch in Titanium, but to do them individually. Can I back them up as a batch, as long as I restore them individually, or do I need to do both that way?
 
Well, once you have everything set up, just make a nandroid backup. Then you can restore your various nandroid backups to go between ROMs you've already set up. All apps and settings will be the way they were when you made each individual backup.

Titanium is used when you switch to a new ROM that you don't have a nandroid backup of, yet. You have to wipe data because something may not be compatible between one ROM and another. Granted, it may work sometimes, but save yourself the grief and just wipe. I said not to batch restore with Titanium backup because there could be conflicts, and some apps just don't respond well to being restored with their data that way. Plenty of people will disagree with me, and that's fine. If you can get it work, great. But if you start having weird problems, boot loops, etc., don't say I didn't warn you :).
 
akazabam said:
Well, once you have everything set up, just make a nandroid backup. Then you can restore your various nandroid backups to go between ROMs you've already set up. All apps and settings will be the way they were when you made each individual backup.
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I think you could actually see a light bulb turn on above my head as I read this. ^^^^

Titanium is used when you switch to a new ROM that you don't have a nandroid backup of, yet. You have to wipe data because something may not be compatible between one ROM and another. Granted, it may work sometimes, but save yourself the grief and just wipe. I said not to batch restore with Titanium backup because there could be conflicts, and some apps just don't respond well to being restored with their data that way. Plenty of people will disagree with me, and that's fine. If you can get it work, great. But if you start having weird problems, boot loops, etc., don't say I didn't warn you :).
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I don't mind having problems with individual apps, as they can be removed and re-installed. I don't want anything to do with boot problems, though.

So you're saying I need to back them up and restore them individually, not just restore them individually?
 
Hmm... Well, I just wiped again and flashed the Beta 4 Gingerbread ROM. When I rebooted, it came up with the Android logo (not the little green guy, but the text). I just keeps flashing the logo about every 5 seconds. Nothing else is happening.
 
aliveon2legs said:
I think you could actually see a light bulb turn on above my head as I read this. ^^^^

I don't mind having problems with individual apps, as they can be removed and re-installed. I don't want anything to do with boot problems, though.

So you're saying I need to back them up and restore them individually, not just restore them individually?
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You can batch backup, most definitely. It would take forever to backup everything manually :). It's all going to your sdcard, anyway. It's up to you what you want to restore. I've had issues with just specific apps that I traced back to being restored via titanium backup, and I've had issues where I couldn't even reboot without getting stuck at the splash screen due to a batch restore in titanium backup. When you're just learning how to do everything, trying to troubleshoot that and trace it back to titanium isn't the most fun thing in the world to do.

aliveon2legs said:
Hmm... Well, I just wiped again and flashed the Beta 4 Gingerbread ROM. When I rebooted, it came up with the Android logo (not the little green guy, but the text). I just keeps flashing the logo about every 5 seconds. Nothing else is happening.
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Do you mean the splash screen (white screen that says Evo 4g), or the boot screen (boot animation). The latter would mean you're in a bootloop.
 
akazabam said:
Do you mean the splash screen (white screen that says Evo 4g), or the boot screen (boot animation). The latter would mean you're in a bootloop.
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I guess it was the boot screen. It was a black screen with white letters that said "android". I re-wiped and reinstalled the ROM, but still got the same thing.
 
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