SteveChiller
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I really want this phone but I really love my EVO. I dunno what to do!
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Sell EVO for EPIC
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Sorry to ask this again, but just to clarify, because I don't know how it works...
My impression was that if I used Launcher Pro and something like widget locker, I could completely replace TouchWiz or Sense. Are you saying that there is something in there that keeps me from disabling Touchwiz and using Launcher pro? Does the same apply for something like Widget Locker?
Thanks!
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dbpaddler
Android Expert
Because Sense just takes up no extra space on the Evo....
and there is confirmation of HDMI via microUSB. The cable is even on Samsung's website.
and TouchWiz, Sense and Blur are more than just homescreens. They are spread out throughout the OS to clean it up, add functionality and so on. Or in some cases, junk it up, make it look cheap and take away user choice. To me, Sense does the best job of them all in cleaning up Android and adding functionality, but it's still behind the times when it comes to email and messaging. I still prefer webOS for that side of things.
So just using a different launcher doesn't get rid of Sense or TouchWiz. It just disables the homescreen portion of it.
and there is confirmation of HDMI via microUSB. The cable is even on Samsung's website.
and TouchWiz, Sense and Blur are more than just homescreens. They are spread out throughout the OS to clean it up, add functionality and so on. Or in some cases, junk it up, make it look cheap and take away user choice. To me, Sense does the best job of them all in cleaning up Android and adding functionality, but it's still behind the times when it comes to email and messaging. I still prefer webOS for that side of things.
So just using a different launcher doesn't get rid of Sense or TouchWiz. It just disables the homescreen portion of it.
As a design decision the negative of this approach is that you cannot charge the phone as you are using it with hdmi. I.e, at the start of the playback you best have enough juice 
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Because Sense just takes up no extra space on the Evo....
and there is confirmation of HDMI via microUSB. The cable is even on Samsung's website.
and TouchWiz, Sense and Blur are more than just homescreens. They are spread out throughout the OS to clean it up, add functionality and so on. Or in some cases, junk it up, make it look cheap and take away user choice. To me, Sense does the best job of them all in cleaning up Android and adding functionality, but it's still behind the times when it comes to email and messaging. I still prefer webOS for that side of things.
So just using a different launcher doesn't get rid of Sense or TouchWiz. It just disables the homescreen portion of it.
dbpaddler
Android Expert
Check those eyes of yours as you missed the female microUSB connector on the adapter to attach your charging cable. 
As a design decision the negative of this approach is that you cannot charge the phone as you are using it with hdmi. I.e, at the start of the playback you best have enough juice
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dbpaddler
Android Expert
Why? Some 3rd part launcher, which you can easily choose to use, has a 5 icon option, and you slam touchwiz and Samsung? Why don't you slam Sense and Blur too while you're at it to be fair? One aftermarket company creates a feature and suddenly it should be standard on something or the product sucks? Yeah, that's rational. Because Palm put q silent switch on their phone, every other phone sucks because they don't have one.
Yup - Launcher Pro allows 5 icons...Samsung stupidly only allows 4 icons (which you cannot change!)... why?
Just more and more negatives...
i wouldn't say he's slamming it. he's only saying what he doesn't like about it. you like the phone, good for you but not everybody is going to like it. yelling over it isn't going do anything.
he isn't going "slam" sense and blur because he probably likes how it looks and is what he's used to. but hey, what do i know
crow11ad
Android Enthusiast
Agreed this is one of the reasons why the phone is Epic and the 50.00 justified. The 50.00 covers for more features. Also, the Epic has DLNA so I can send pics and things from my phone to xbox or ps3.
dbpaddler
Android Expert
This is an Evo/Epic comparison thread and he's knocking Samsung for not doing something ONE third party program is doing. HTC doesn't do it either so either way you're installing the 3rd party program. It's a BS statement plain and simple. And that just shows with his "all these negatives" comment at the end it's just pure bias and nothing else. If one is going to make a comparison between two products, then you can't hold them to different standards.
He wasn't commenting about the "looks" of the launcher, he was comparing a feature of having 5 rows instead of 4. That is not cosmetic.
I own the Evo, and I'll buy the Epic. I don't care to slam one over the other. I just want a real keyboard. Both phones would essentially do the job for me. I'll probably like the screen a little better, possibly the processor and camera. I'll probably hate TouchWiz's lack of refinement over Sense a little more. Dealing with stock android email and messaging is a bit lame. But I want a keyboard so it's my only option. I don't like giving up the screen real estate when typing and editing, and I'm more accurate with real keys.
He wasn't commenting about the "looks" of the launcher, he was comparing a feature of having 5 rows instead of 4. That is not cosmetic.
I own the Evo, and I'll buy the Epic. I don't care to slam one over the other. I just want a real keyboard. Both phones would essentially do the job for me. I'll probably like the screen a little better, possibly the processor and camera. I'll probably hate TouchWiz's lack of refinement over Sense a little more. Dealing with stock android email and messaging is a bit lame. But I want a keyboard so it's my only option. I don't like giving up the screen real estate when typing and editing, and I'm more accurate with real keys.
I plan to use my Xbox also. No need for wires when you can simply stream content.
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
Sure I may be a little biased, especially as I already own a Samsung Android phone and have nitpicks with it.
I've played with the Evo and I actually like HTC Sense, so I would not have to run Launcher Pro on top of it. With the TouchWiz I can't stand it and I would have to run Launcher Pro with it.
Yes I'm biased, call me so because I already own another Samsung Android phone!
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
You miss the point. Sense is usable, whereas Touchwiz is not, imho. Again just my opinion. No need to take offense as it's my preference.Because Sense just takes up no extra space on the Evo....
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This is along with all the other observations I've noted already so I'm not going to repeat them all.
DILands
Android Expert
1) Coming from a Blackberry Curve - either will be bigger. I will deal with it - at least now, wanting a physical keyboard.
2) Fact! Again - coming from a Blackberry - wife has a Droid 2 - I think 4.0 inches just may be the sweet spot.
3) Fact again! Also - it's 1 less trip to *$'s every month - I'll live. With Gorilla Glass, I will not be getting a screen protector - so - add the cost to the EVO.
5) Non-factor for me
6) Historically correct - however - I don't see the Galaxy S being the same. It's launching globally on a gazillion carriers - they will have to support it - or - this will probably be their last forey into phones.
Another factor for me - being an upgrader. The EVO can be the greatest thing since sliced bread - if I can't get my hands on one - it's of no use to me.
My Plan - I'll get the EPIC 4G on Tuesday - it will be my first Andriod phone. Will do extensive tests on the GPS for MY needs - if it passes - it's most likely a keeper. If not - it will be a tough decision - but would probably go back!
5Strong
Member
I agree. I would love to get my hands on the Evo, but for more than a month there has not been one in sight so I am getting the Epic on Tuesday and hoping for the best. They really seem to both be great phones I don't think I would be dissapointed with either. I am moving over to Sprint from Verizon and I am currently using a Droid so the fact that the Epic has a keyboard should make the transition even smoother.
dbpaddler
Android Expert
Well I've owned a Hero and still own a Moment as well as the Evo. They both sucked. 2.1 on the Hero is horrid as is the build quality. 2.1 on the Moment isn't much better unless you root it, and it's still far from great. The Moment's hardware isn't bad. A little bulky, and the gps is spotty. Other than that, reverting back to 1.6 seemed to make it run smoother so that's where I kept it. Both the Evo and the Epic are and will be light years ahead of both their predecessors.
I'll admit TouchWiz is no Sense, but it is what it is. I use Launcher Pro on my Evo because the Sense launcher isn't anything special. So I don't see the launcher differences you were mentioning. The four quick launch icons on the bottom that you can slide through five more are better than either of the stock launchers. The five rows is sweet as well. It's not laggy. Neither stock launcher holds a candle to it. And even with Sense, email and messaging aren't as nice as they are on webOS.
Regardless, neither the Evo or the Epic are perfect. Wish the Evo was lighter and thinner like the HD2. The speaker is just ok. The camera at least is better than the Pre or Pixi and better than the older Sprint Android phones.
My only real beef with TouchWiz is it does the opposite of dressing up android. It's kind of hokie. But in the end it's just a skin, and not really the main reason why I buy I phone. I care more about it being functional when the day is over. If it helps me be more productive I'm happy. If something about it isn't pretty? I don't really care.
I'll admit TouchWiz is no Sense, but it is what it is. I use Launcher Pro on my Evo because the Sense launcher isn't anything special. So I don't see the launcher differences you were mentioning. The four quick launch icons on the bottom that you can slide through five more are better than either of the stock launchers. The five rows is sweet as well. It's not laggy. Neither stock launcher holds a candle to it. And even with Sense, email and messaging aren't as nice as they are on webOS.
Regardless, neither the Evo or the Epic are perfect. Wish the Evo was lighter and thinner like the HD2. The speaker is just ok. The camera at least is better than the Pre or Pixi and better than the older Sprint Android phones.
My only real beef with TouchWiz is it does the opposite of dressing up android. It's kind of hokie. But in the end it's just a skin, and not really the main reason why I buy I phone. I care more about it being functional when the day is over. If it helps me be more productive I'm happy. If something about it isn't pretty? I don't really care.
I had the Evo for 3 weeks and returned it because it was a beast of a phone amongst other problems. It wouldn't have been that bad but it had those freakin square pointy corners that made it imo hard to hold and pocket. For instance, when you pull the beast out of your pocket and try to power it on with one hand I always felt like I was going to drop it because the power button was on the very top right corner.
I played with the Epic dummy and imo it feels better in the hand. It's only 2mm thicker than the EVO but it is slightly shorter and feels narrower. Plus the power button is on the side instead of the top so it is easily reachable with one hand. The evo feels thinner because it tapers more at the edges. I haven't played with a real one yet but the samsung is significantly lighter. I didn't care for the weight of the EVO either. Felt like if I did drop it, it was that much more likely to break.
These are all matters of opinion, ultimately I brought the EVO back because of all these things plus crappy build. My screen looked washed out and started to separate at the edges and collect dust. Not good HTC. I may have had a lemon but I've read other comments about screen problems.
I played with the Epic dummy and imo it feels better in the hand. It's only 2mm thicker than the EVO but it is slightly shorter and feels narrower. Plus the power button is on the side instead of the top so it is easily reachable with one hand. The evo feels thinner because it tapers more at the edges. I haven't played with a real one yet but the samsung is significantly lighter. I didn't care for the weight of the EVO either. Felt like if I did drop it, it was that much more likely to break.
These are all matters of opinion, ultimately I brought the EVO back because of all these things plus crappy build. My screen looked washed out and started to separate at the edges and collect dust. Not good HTC. I may have had a lemon but I've read other comments about screen problems.
I'm curious, why all the hate on touch-wiz? I've played with the vibrant and captivate a bunch, and I find nothing wrong with it. I have the htc hero right now, and sense is pretty nice, but it seems that touchwiz is very similar, only difference is some widgets, but I could easily get used to the other widgets.
carmendiva
Android Expert
Um yeah you can change the four icons to whatever you choose to have in your dock on touch wiz...
And in response to the post above me,
I think a lot of people prefer the simplicity of sense vs touchwiz/blur/UX
because the other UI's are more in your face than sense is
However, Sense is extremely dated and it's basically the same sense you saw on HTC hero while Both Blur and Touch wiz are evolving...
I compare sense to IOS...IOS is kind of boring yet it's very simple and easy to manage...Same with HTC sense...
I love touch wiz and it's functionality a lot better than the Sense UI
and even Blur is better with it's refined social integration and it's resize capabilities....
I do prefer Sense over vanilla tho
Actually on the Epic, they removed the ability to change the 4 icons, but you can change them on the Vibrant/Captivate. I'm not sure why they did that, but for me personally, its not a big deal because the icons they have are the one's i'd be using the most anyways.
dbpaddler
Android Expert
I guess there's a big difference between functionality and productivity. Sense brings more functionality to email and messaging compared to stock android which is utilized by Moto and Samsung. They do nothing to enhance android's limited functionality in that case. So if that's dated, I'll take it. I haven't really seen any productive functionality from TouchWiz while I was playing around with the Captivate. Just seemed like a lot of bad coloring over the primitive android GUI. Social integration is fine for added functionality, but it doesn't do anything to make me more productive on my phone. It's just something that's "nice".
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
imho this is one of the most short-sighted decisions one can make.
Screen protectors cost about what, $5 - $10? Saving a penny at the cost of a pound later?
I don't care if it's super gorilla glass or whatever, if it's not made out of diamond it will scratch.
There are reports of people who have had their gorilla screens scratched up.
A cheap screen protector will keep the screen clean, and protect it from most scratches as well.
It's very short-sighted to not put such cheap protection on a $500 device.
Let's see you say you're not a big fan anymore based on your having "Played with a dummy phone" Then you go on to say you've well researched the EPIC then you go on to say you've read it doesn't have a notification LED. Now I haven't done a whole lot of research other than reading this forum. And I've read that it does. So much for your research eh? I don't think anyone should even read much less pay any attention to what a reviewer has to say about a phone based on his having played with a dummy. You sound like an HTC fanboy to me.
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
LOL I had read conflicting reports on the Epic having LED notifications, so I wasn't 100% sure, and didn't want to assume it since I had not played with the live phone. People were saying the same thing about the Moment - since it looks like it has multlple LEDs or indicators on the front face, but alas it was lacking the LED notifications.
That good enough for you?
Yea you can call me an HTC fanboy. I've never owned a HTC product or phone, I do currently own a Samsung Android phone though. Yea I'm a HTC fanboy for sure!
You got me good there!! Bravo!!!
I've owned my Moment for the better part of a year and I've cleaned all the fingerprints in the world off the screen, but I've yet to put even the smallest of scratches on the screen. You keep typeing and soon you will have zilch credibility. Well, I guess you lost me at the beginning of this thread anyhow LOL!
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
Just for other people's information, here are some info on screen scratches:
Here's a comment from an owner of a Gorilla glass phone: http://phandroid.com/2010/08/24/all-...lass-displays/
And even if you have a tough glass screen (not just merely plastic) like the iPhone - they too can scratch: http://iphonescratches.com/
Enjoy these new gadgets.
Here's a comment from an owner of a Gorilla glass phone: http://phandroid.com/2010/08/24/all-...lass-displays/
And even if you have a tough glass screen (not just merely plastic) like the iPhone - they too can scratch: http://iphonescratches.com/
Enjoy these new gadgets.