Root So... ICS?

[Member113588]

Frequent lurker of these and other Droid forums since I bought my Bionic six weeks ago. And of everything I've read, some topics hundreds of pages long... this post finally prompted me to register and reply.

"The differences between Windows Vista, and Windows 7 is that of a service pack"

Huh? That's like saying the difference between a Ford Escort and a Lexus LS is that of leather seating. In all seriousness.

I assume Johngalt meant that ICS will be what GB should have been from the start, in terms of interface, function, and usability. Which I often say when comparing Vista to 7. In that regard, excellent analogy.

I agree, 7 is lightyears beyond what Vista ever was. However Vista sucked ass... GB wasn't bad. I would actually use XP and 7 for that analogy.

 

[YankeeDudeL]

the Official word is that Q1 2012 is the release date for ICS - march 31, 2012 is still Q1, so, for all intents and purposes, that 6 month mark could easily be true.

That being said, ICS has a LOT more to offer than just the facial lock. Feel free to watch the Galaxy Nexus unveiling even that Samsung did last month - 70% of that video was not about the phone but about the ICS it was running. From the way things are shaping up, I'm staking my reputation that ICS is to GB what Windows 7 was/is to Vista.

And you can quote me on that.

And I will.

Considering I'm on Vista, I know I'd appreciate it. lol

 

[johnlgalt]

So, not much of a difference? Except for small UI changes, and some compatibility fixes? I mean in all seriousness, the differences between Windows Vista, and Windows 7 is that of a service pack.

Just not the best comparison to use, in my opinion.

Lol. OK. You keep believing that. just for giggles, read this while you're at it:

Window Vista's windows version is 6.0 and Windows 7 Version is - Microsoft Answers

Then, get me a copy of the Technet Vista (with or without SP1, your choice) as I still have 9 open CD keys from my (just expired) TechNet and I'll compare it in real time every day tasks (not benchmarks, unless you really prefer them) on my current system - Core i7 965 EE with 12 GB of RAM, dual GTX260s SLId with a GTS250 dedicated to PhysX and compare those results with my current Windows 7 SP1 on this exact machine.

I guarantee you that Win7 will win 90+% of categories of tests. Version number aside as noted in that link, the kernel version number reported is for compatibility purposes.

Thus far, the only users I know who prefer Vista are the ones who won't buy a new computer / cannot afford to pay / unwilling to pay retail upgrade for a new OS. I have yet to see one person who actually says that Vista is a better performing OS (or even equate it with) Windows 7.

I can give you my bona fides if you'd like as well. I'm not just talking out my arse.

As for the boot loader. Is there no way to flash a new unencrypted one? I mean you can do it on computers? I realize this wouldnt be possible from the phone itself but could you do it from a computer somehow?

The best response I can come up with to this is actually a quotation from another forum:

Droid Bionic wireless tether reverse engineering - Page 3 - xda-developers

Frequent lurker of these and other Droid forums since I bought my Bionic six weeks ago. And of everything I've read, some topics hundreds of pages long... this post finally prompted me to register and reply.

"The differences between Windows Vista, and Windows 7 is that of a service pack"

Huh? That's like saying the difference between a Ford Escort and a Lexus LS is that of leather seating. In all seriousness.

I assume Johngalt meant that ICS will be what GB should have been from the start, in terms of interface, function, and usability. Which I often say when comparing Vista to 7. In that regard, excellent analogy.

Umm, I didn't think of it in that light, but, no, I'm not saying the GB is bad like Vista was. TBH, when Vista came out I was highly excited b/c of the revamping of things like the internal firewall, the added layers of security (basically a ripoff of assigning a username with su privileges from *nix, but with some tangible benefits), etc, but it quickly became a resource hog on even 4 GB of RAM, whereas XP was content with 1+. In retrospect, it makes a lot of sense, but with so much changing in the OS, it also got a bad name from developers and users alike, for a variety of (mostly subjective) reasons - but one area where it truly sucks is in memory management. Vista just simply does not know how to let things go properly. Even SP1 is still pale in comparison to Windows 7 OOB.

GB, OTOH, was a nice revamp to FroYo - a lot of new features added, but along with that came the inevitable memory and hardware requirements increase. I like GB, don't get me wrong - but what I saw in the Samsung Galaxy nexus launch video blew me away. Seriously. ICS is going to be Android's true first moment of glory. It's simply that good. At least until OEMs and carriers get a hold of it and start restricting options....

Facial unlock is corny. Ics should be solid though. If you want it badly enough, sell your bionic on clist to someone ineligible for an upgrade and pay an extra 200 with that and buy a nexus.

I like my BIONIC, and Motorola seems to like me so, I'll keep my BIONIC. Since it is coming regardless, I'll just wait. I'm stubborn like that lol....

I agree, 7 is lightyears beyond what Vista ever was. However Vista sucked ass... GB wasn't bad. I would actually use XP and 7 for that analogy.

yeah, in a nutshell, that's what I said above too.

And I will.

Considering I'm on Vista, I know I'd appreciate it. lol

OMFG - dude, you so need to ditch Vista and put 7 on there.

If you have a tablet PC (the original kind, with the flip screens and styluses that you wrote with, like handwriting) you'll LOVE Windows 7's optimizations for Tablet PCs OOB as well. If it can run Vista, it will more than likely run Windows 7 and better, too.

 

[dguy]

Is it even possible for modders to make an ICS ROM for the Bionic before Motorola releases/leaks a version of it that is compatible with the bootloader?

 

[YankeeDudeL]

Is it even possible for modders to make an ICS ROM for the Bionic before Motorola releases/leaks a version of it that is compatible with the bootloader?

A full blown all inclusive ROM? Not really. However, once the GNex is out, there will be elements of ICS that devs will be able to pull out and implement into ROMs for other phones. Now that the source code is released, we'll start to see it. I wouldn't expect, however, that until Motorola releases a build for the Bionic or RAZR that we'd see a fully functioning, fully stable ICS ROM.

 

[johnlgalt]

If they were to build the stock Android Apps off the ICS AOSP and then add in things like he Blur and other Motorola enhancements from the current GB build, it could theoretically be done.

Whether it *will* be done is another issue.

 

[oakley1261]

I guarantee you that Win7 will win 90+% of categories of tests. Version number aside as noted in that link, the kernel version number reported is for compatibility purposes.

Thus far, the only users I know who prefer Vista are the ones who won't buy a new computer / cannot afford to pay / unwilling to pay retail upgrade for a new OS. I have yet to see one person who actually says that Vista is a better performing OS (or even equate it with) Windows 7.

I can give you my bona fides if you'd like as well. I'm not just talking out my arse.

I agree, Windows 7 would most likely beat Windows Vista in performance for a lot of things, but by a very low percentage. I'm not interested in tests. I know how both operating systems work. And I'm sure that 90% of people believe Vista is horrible due to systems that "supported" vista, but really didn't have supported hardware, or lead to believe it was horrible by word of mouth of those same people. Not Microsoft's fault but the PC vendor's fault.

Your "bona fides"? No thanks. 1, Anything can be faked on the internet. And 2, No offence, but I don't base intelligence on pieces of paper that "claim" someone knows or has done something.


Either way, I'm not here to argue. Our experiences could be completely different but it doesn't really matter. My point was that ICS seems like a much larger update from GB than Windows 7 was from Vista.

 

[johnlgalt]

Fair enough. I wasn't going to present you with pieces of papers, though, but with forums and posts I've made at other sites like vistax64.com forums and sevenforums.com and calendarofupdaes.com.

In retrospect, Isee what you mean now and to a point I can agree. The changes between 7 and Vista were much smalle than between Vista and XP- it was both subjective user opinion of 7 plus performance enhancements between Vista and 7 that made a world of difference.

I never personally dealt with the 'works with Vista" PCs as I've always built my own PCs. My point was that even 'works with Vista" PCs run 7 better, smoother, and with less irritation.