Someone almost made me cry today

[OstrichSaK]

$100Billion from the gov.. created more than $100 bil jobs and money movement... that is what we need to help push our bad economy back to a healthy one.

If it were this simple why would we be $14 TRILLION DOLLARS (reported) in dept with record high unemployment? Why wouldn't they just have fixed all this sooner? The stew they feed people is amazing and even more amazing is that people are eating it up and suggesting it to others.

If only it were that simple...

 

[9to5cynic]

It is a fairy tale that we will find another livable planet. The closest star is what, like 4 lightyears away? So it may be possible, if we find a way to travel the speed of light, or if we find the secret to wormhole travel. God already gave us a perfect planet, with everything we need. We need to worry instead about saving the one we have.

And that's why we need to get a move on right now! Scientists are able to hypothesize about 'Earth-like' planets and which stars might have them, so they need to pick a few, and send some huge colony ships out that way. With enough people to keep up the mission for centuries. It'll take a while.

Spoiler

And when those ships get half way to their destination either A) we will have developed FTL travel (if possible), or be much closer... or B) Earth will have been killed off by one of a hundred possibilities

 

[YankeeDudeL]

It is a fairy tale that we will find another livable planet. The closest star is what, like 4 lightyears away? So it may be possible, if we find a way to travel the speed of light, or if we find the secret to wormhole travel. God already gave us a perfect planet, with everything we need. We need to worry instead about saving the one we have.

If we didn't study the ebb and flow of the tides, we never would have sailed the seas. God did give us a perfect planet. One that will eventually die. Might take a million years, but it seems it's going to take a while to get further into space, too.

 

[A.Nonymous]

And that's why we need to get a move on right now! Scientists are able to hypothesize about 'Earth-like' planets and which stars might have them, so they need to pick a few, and send some huge colony ships out that way. With enough people to keep up the mission for centuries. It'll take a while.

Problem with that is that we don't have the technology to build the huge ships that would be needed. We don't have the technology to launch that big of a ship. We also have zero idea how and if humans can reproduce in space or what kind of issues we possibly might face there. We don't even know if mammals can reproduce in space in general.

 

[Roze]

Problem with that is that we don't have the technology to build the huge ships that would be needed. We don't have the technology to launch that big of a ship. We also have zero idea how and if humans can reproduce in space or what kind of issues we possibly might face there. We don't even know if mammals can reproduce in space in general.

Why wouldn't we? if the ship can generate 'gravity' and we have all of the essentials on the ship.

 

[dan330]

If it were this simple why would we be $14 TRILLION DOLLARS (reported) in dept with record high unemployment? Why wouldn't they just have fixed all this sooner? The stew they feed people is amazing and even more amazing is that people are eating it up and suggesting it to others.

If only it were that simple...

the economy is very complicated... with many variables that affect it in so may ways...

do you think what we have been talking about is the only thing that will affect the usa or world econ?

the gov spending $$ in major scientific projects does have an effect on ..
1. job market
2. the usa econ
3. the world econ
4. the future of tech
5. the future health of usa as a world leader



i agree the spending by our gov can be more effective and less wasteful... but we can not stop all spending or large projects.

 

[dan330]

Problem with that is that we don't have the technology to build the huge ships that would be needed. We don't have the technology to launch that big of a ship. We also have zero idea how and if humans can reproduce in space or what kind of issues we possibly might face there. We don't even know if mammals can reproduce in space in general.

send me into space for a few weeks with some playboy playmates.. I will give it a try.. anything to help out science..

would that be a good expenditure of gov funds?

 

[B2L]

send me into space for a few weeks with some playboy playmates.. I will give it a try.. anything to help out science..

would that be a good expenditure of gov funds?

Sure, I would allow you to use my tax dollars to do this. Just make sure everyone who paid for it gets a free video.

Back on topic, I definitely don't think they should cut NASA's funding. We need to keep the space program alive. If we don't research what's out there, we won't have a backup plan for when the world is destroyed. (Who knows when it will happen, but we have had close calls in the past.)

 

[A.Nonymous]

Why wouldn't we? if the ship can generate 'gravity' and we have all of the essentials on the ship.

If you can create artificial gravity, you can write your own check. You'd also win a nice Nobel price for your trouble as well. The main problem with a really, really long trip into space is supplies more than anything. There's literally no place to stop and refuel/resupply. Huge issues there.

send me into space for a few weeks with some playboy playmates.. I will give it a try.. anything to help out science..

would that be a good expenditure of gov funds?

Honestly, learning whether humans can reproduce in space and what kind of issues would arise from carrying out a pregnancy in space would be extremely valuable information if we're ever going to leave this rock. No government in the world would ever spend money on that research though.

 

[Roze]

Honestly, learning whether humans can reproduce in space and what kind of issues would arise from carrying out a pregnancy in space would be extremely valuable information if we're ever going to leave this rock. No government in the world would ever spend money on that research though.

Chimpanzees!!!

 

[dan330]

^^^ plant of the apes?

 

[A.Nonymous]

Chimpanzees!!!

No government would do that either. Can you imagine what the right wing nutjobs would say? "Our students are dieing in the streets in this heathen nation and our government is spending billions of dollars researching monkey sex!!! Think of the children!!!!"

 

[ninja_reject]

Honestly, some of you prefer to live in science fiction. We are NOWHERE NEAR close to building anything that approaches the speed of light. So IF we sent some kind of ultra fast spacecraft to one of the two closest stars, it would at the very least take many decades, even centuries. Most likely to only find that there are no habitable planets, and we would have to keep looking for another 100 years. What's that you say? Bring plants and livestock, that would fix everything? All those things need water. A lot of water. No matter how much you filter your pee, I just don't see generations remaining alive in a spacecraft anytime this century, or the next, for that matter.

When the earth is destroyed, we have a much, much better chance of survival by retreating underground until all the asteroid dust settles. That is how I plan to prepare for the end. Blast from the Past, Brendan Fraser style.

 

[RiverOfIce]

If it were this simple why would we be $14 TRILLION DOLLARS (reported) in dept with record high unemployment? Why wouldn't they just have fixed all this sooner? The stew they feed people is amazing and even more amazing is that people are eating it up and suggesting it to others.

If only it were that simple...

Because we had three republican presidents that tried trickle down economics and displaced the money from the American people to other countries.

If the last three republican presidents followed the same policies of the last 3 democrat presidents, we would be completely out of debt by now and have a huge economy. But the republicans do anything can to funnel the money to the wealthy.

If we followed Bill Clintons budget, which was completely possible, we would have zero debt right now. But Bush decided that millionaires needed millions of more dollars created 2 un-win-able wars and funneled trillions of dollars and millions of jobs out of the country.

If you want to understand why we are trillions of dollars in debt, understand one concept, the pay back for the government spending money, only works if the money is kept inside of the country. Once it is spent on wars, projects, and trade agreements outside the country, it is completely useless.

Just look at the numbers. Out of your 14 trillion dollars, only 2 trillion dollars was spent by democrat presidents. The 12 trillion dollars was spent by republican presidents funding the military and shipping jobs over seas.

No matter how you cut it, this concept of smaller government does not work, it only makes the united states government spend more money and waste more resources.

On the other hand, the largest job creations of all time have been under democrat presidents.

If you take all the job creation number for each party for 1953 to 2009.

The republicans had 36 years total as president. They created 34.7 million jobs.

The democrats had only 20 years as president. They created 48.8 million jobs and had 1/2 the time to do it in.

Even if you take the latest down turn of -2.4 million jobs and add that to the equation, which is not fair because those where added by bush's policies, you would still get 46.2 million more jobs for the democrats compared to only 34.7 to the republicans.

Which policies have failed America?

 

[RiverOfIce]

Honestly, some of you prefer to live in science fiction.

I am sorry, but everything you said was science fiction, you have just shown zero knowledge of space, space travel, and the make up of the universe. I am not insulting you, just don't know how to say you are 100% wrong on everything you just posted.

Water is one of the most common modules in space. There is more water in the asteroid belt then on the planet earth. If that was not enough. The moon Europa has TWICE the amount of water that the earth has. Ganymede and Callisto contain more water then Europa, but Titan, Enceladus, Umbriel, Mimas, Proteus, and Miranda contain enough for long term habitation. Little Enceladus erupts liquid water from the surface.

But we don't need moon, Mars contains enough frozen water to supply any space travel we would need.

 

[Roze]

Lets try not to make this thread a political debate...else I'll have to move it to the Politics and current affair forum, which I don't think is what A.Nonymous wants.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I am sorry, but everything you said was science fiction, you have just shown zero knowledge of space, space travel, and the make up of the universe. I am not insulting you, just don't know how to say you are 100% wrong on everything you just posted.

Water is one of the most common modules in space. There is more water in the asteroid belt then on the planet earth. If that was not enough. The moon Europa has TWICE the amount of water that the earth has. Ganymede and Callisto contain more water then Europa, but Titan, Enceladus, Umbriel, Mimas, Proteus, and Miranda contain enough for long term habitation. Little Enceladus erupts liquid water from the surface.

But we don't need moon, Mars contains enough frozen water to supply any space travel we would need.

Still, that water may or may not be potable and there's the question of how to get it aboard the spacecraft.

 

[dan330]

there is sleep till you get there... hibernate

wake up a small group at a time; taking turns / shifts...
to mantain the ship.. and check on other hiburnating passanngers

 

[ninja_reject]

I am sorry, but everything you said was science fiction, you have just shown zero knowledge of space, space travel, and the make up of the universe. I am not insulting you, just don't know how to say you are 100% wrong on everything you just posted.

Water is one of the most common modules in space. There is more water in the asteroid belt then on the planet earth. If that was not enough. The moon Europa has TWICE the amount of water that the earth has. Ganymede and Callisto contain more water then Europa, but Titan, Enceladus, Umbriel, Mimas, Proteus, and Miranda contain enough for long term habitation. Little Enceladus erupts liquid water from the surface.

But we don't need moon, Mars contains enough frozen water to supply any space travel we would need.

How is everything I said 100% wrong? I'm sorry, but are you seriously suggesting pit stops on Mars and moons and asteroids? Do you realize all those water sources you named are in our solar system? I merely named one major issue that would be faced in this far-off hypothetical situation. Once you leave the solar system and the gravitational pull of our sun, space starts getting a lot lot emptier until you reach the gravitational pull of another sun or other major celestial body. If everything I said is 100% wrong, then say something to discount one statement I have made! Because you have failed to do so so far. And I was joking about the Blast from the Past thing.

 

[A.Nonymous]

there is sleep till you get there... hibernate

wake up a small group at a time; taking turns / shifts...
to mantain the ship.. and check on other hiburnating passanngers

Yes, but I've seen this movie before. Either an alien invades the ship and kills everyone and the one person that's awake is left to fight off the alien or the person that's awake goes nuts from the solitude and kills everyone. Then there's the problem of putting people in long term hibernation. They'd need to hibernate for hundreds of years. There are a lot of problems with human exploring interstellar space and probably lots more that we haven't even thought of. I think exploration of space is probably easier and safer done by robotic probes until we develop FTL or the replicator type technology.

 

[OstrichSaK]

Not to mention the ethics involved with essentially taking away free will of the children who will be born into what amounts to slavery to the US government. It's one thing to choose to be an astronaut by free will but quite another for someone to decide that other individuals won't be given that basic right. I personally wouldn't want to make that decision.

Bottom line is that our nation is in trouble financially and right now we can't afford NASA. Period.

 

[RiverOfIce]

Bottom line is that our nation is in trouble financially and right now we can't afford NASA. Period.

We should get rid of the military first though. NASA need to be reformed.

As for ninja, I am sorry, but water is one of the most abundant mocules in space. The kepler belt surrounding our solar system contains hundreds of thousand of times more water then the planet earth. Water is avaible everywhere in the universe, there is nebulas that contain trillions of tons of water. As for making it drank about or mining it, I really don't need to tell you how to do that, it would not be unlike how we do it on earth.

 

[Roze]

We should get rid of the military first though. NASA need to be reformed.

As for ninja, I am sorry, but water is one of the most abundant mocules in space. The kepler belt surrounding our solar system contains hundreds of thousand of times more water then the planet earth. Water is avaible everywhere in the universe, there is nebulas that contain trillions of tons of water. As for making it drank about or mining it, I really don't need to tell you how to do that, it would not be unlike how we do it on earth.

Found a NASA Article to back up RiverOfIce: NASA - Astronomers Find Largest, Most Distant Reservoir of Water

"The environment around this quasar is very unique in that it's producing this huge mass of water," said Matt Bradford, a scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "It's another demonstration that water is pervasive throughout the universe, even at the very earliest times."

Two teams of astronomers have discovered the largest and farthest reservoir of water ever detected in the universe. The water, equivalent to 140 trillion times all the water in the world's ocean, surrounds a huge, feeding black hole, called a quasar, more than 12 billion light-years away.

 

[A.Nonymous]

We should get rid of the military first though. NASA need to be reformed.

As for ninja, I am sorry, but water is one of the most abundant mocules in space. The kepler belt surrounding our solar system contains hundreds of thousand of times more water then the planet earth. Water is avaible everywhere in the universe, there is nebulas that contain trillions of tons of water. As for making it drank about or mining it, I really don't need to tell you how to do that, it would not be unlike how we do it on earth.

I think it would be completely unlike how we do things here just because we're mining in an environment that is freezing cold and has no gravity. Lots of tools that work here are not going to work. Lots of methods that work here are not going to work. Packing for Space by Mary Roach is a great book I would recommend to people. It talks about all the problems faced by astronauts that people don't even think of. In space, you don't even know that you have to pee because your bladder just floats no matter how much liquid it has in it. By the time your bladder gets full enough that it presses on the muscle that tells you you need to pee it's at the point where medical intervention may be needed.

 

[dan330]

if needed...

i can share my knowledge on how to create and harness wormholes...
to travel from one point in space to another..
to use as a power source for all needs..

all i ask is that everyone .. proclaim me as supreme ruler