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Still Confident Bravo is coming to Verizon
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shawn487
Android Enthusiast
+1 nashdroid ya i am feeling the same. like you said earlier also the eris is a good phone we just want something with a bigger screen and something faster still running sense... well the specs we just got were of a bigger screen better processor and still running sense win win in my book... add into factor that the person saw it in a cold dark room of a verizon test facility gives it the big bonus. hey i cant wait to see this phone 1ghz processor or 850 processor another question to ask is will it be the first to employee apps to sd?
Nashdroid
Android Expert
I would rather have the 1GHz processor than battery life. I need power for awesome web browsing and fast typing.
Yeah, I can see that argument. Plus, you actually HAVE an Eris, so you know the woes that a slower processor and hardware can have as an effect on everyday use of the phone. I only played with it awhile at the Verizon store. So...yeah, lag in typing would SUCK bigtime! Definitely wouldn't be a good tradeout. Hopefully, assuming this phone DOES coming underclocked to 850mhz, we will be able to up it to the full 1ghz through rooting and some hacks. I'm not a pro on that stuff yet, but I will be as soon as I get my first Android phone very soon.
Ruben
Android Expert
Thanks for understanding--and not arguing
We just have to make sure that the phones processor doesn't melt in our pockets if we over clock it too much.
Also, on the design aspect, I'm going to miss a trackball. Anyone else?
Nashdroid
Android Expert
Yeah, exactly man! This issue of not much storage capacity for apps was, not too long ago, addressed at CES I believe. They said that this was going to be addressed in a future version of Android. So...if that's the case, it's just simply a limitation of Android and something that should be able to be fixed easily through a firmware update down the road. That sure would be nice. Plus, with larger and larger microSD cards being released lately, these phones will be able to have capacities that, while not being AS large as the iPhone, will at least be comparable. Plus, you can just swap out a microSD card if you fill up one. That has unlimited possibilities as opposed to having a fixed flash memory in the phone like the iPhone currently has.
Nashdroid
Android Expert
Thanks for understanding--and not arguing
We just have to make sure that the phones processor doesn't melt in our pockets if we over clock it too much.
Also, on the design aspect, I'm going to miss a trackball. Anyone else?
Believe it or not I'm a very understanding and patient guy. Some personalities just get under my skin and I like accountability. If you met me in person, you'd think I was the coolest, nicest guy you've ever met! haha
Ruben
Android Expert
All narcissistic comments aside (jk jk jk), +1
shawn487
Android Enthusiast
i dont know who recomended to try out cooliris on firefox cant find the post but damn that is nice i like. i really hope that this phone has the 1 ghz snapdragon to fully utilize that feature of the phone like the nexus. or that the 850 is enough. i didnt even realize how cool it was to flip through all your photos and what not so easily with out having to close open this just looks nice
Nigelahmad
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im so excited guys. it's crazy because this morning i was on the last straw! idk y! but i was just like, "ill just get the droid on a one year" then i found that article and REVAAAAMMMPPP!!!
Lol
im very excited about the design too, although it's not as important, it puts the icing on the cake!!!
But can you guys fill me in on this iris thingy? i dont quite understand it
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im very excited about the design too, although it's not as important, it puts the icing on the cake!!!
But can you guys fill me in on this iris thingy? i dont quite understand it
Ruben
Android Expert
The Eris is a device I returned--I'll change the status later. Verizon currently has it, and it is a "Hero" phone. Hero as in the HTC Hero line. There are tons of variants. It's a great phone, but needed an extra 100MHz.im so excited guys. it's crazy because this morning i was on the last straw! idk y! but i was just like, "ill just get the droid on a one year" then i found that article and REVAAAAMMMPPP!!!
Lol
im very excited about the design too, although it's not as important, it puts the icing on the cake!!!
But can you guys fill me in on this iris thingy? i dont quite understand it
Nigelahmad
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i meant the cooliris. lol
Ruben
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Oh. That's the photo gallery app that the Nexus One uses (as well as all future 2.1 phones). Sense usually includes their custom photo gallery, so we'll have to see.
Nigelahmad
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ooooh okay gotcha! Thanx!
lol well i know the Droid has an app for that specific gallery, so if this phone doesn't get it, you could probably just install it.
shawn487
Android Enthusiast
well it is just a way to flip through your photos, videos, youtube, hulu google images ex ex ex now lets say you are using the conventional way to do it on you computer by just opening the file they have thumbnails pull one up the close it out open another one with cooliris it does it over you browser and you can flip through your photos zoom in over one zoom back out flip and zoom try it its pretty sweet you can use it for both foxfire and internet explorer www.cooliris.com
Nigelahmad
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just got done playing with this! its so cool online lol
shawn487
Android Enthusiast
this would be awesome to have on a phone. sitting there your girlfriend is nagging or boss if giving a speach that doesnt pertain to you sit there scroll through the pics of the day i have done that now for about a half hour already along with searches of nature pics in my area for another half and my facebook pics for yet another i really dont need this on my work computer but i think on monday i am going to load it anyways
Just want to make a quick argument for the Nexus One versus the Bravo. First the bravo is suppose to have 384mb ram vs 512 on Nexus One. Second if the 850mhz processor speed rumor is true it is going up against 1ghz with the Nexus One. Better hardware will make it more future proof, it may be a phone you can hold onto for a couple of years.
My third point is that with Sense UI your phone is less likely to get upgraded or at all when a new version of Android comes out but the Nexus One will. HTC takes a lot of time to upgrade their Sense UI and even after they do your phone might not necessarily receive the update. On the other hand the Nexus one is the first phone google is really responsible for. They would want it to keep up with the growth of Android so they will make sure it stays up to date as long as it can support the newest android OS.
My third point is that with Sense UI your phone is less likely to get upgraded or at all when a new version of Android comes out but the Nexus One will. HTC takes a lot of time to upgrade their Sense UI and even after they do your phone might not necessarily receive the update. On the other hand the Nexus one is the first phone google is really responsible for. They would want it to keep up with the growth of Android so they will make sure it stays up to date as long as it can support the newest android OS.
Best I know the N1 does not have 512mb of RAM, at least not for app storage which is what you're probably talking about. Hence you may very well be looking at 256mb RAM for the N1 and 320mb (the leaked 2010 lineup was updated) for the Bravo. Advantage Bravo
http://androidforums.com/nexus-one/34935-nexus-one-ram-status.html
a 150mhz difference between chips may not even be noticeable, assuming the incredible/bravo isn't 1ghz (even though the Bravo is specced to 1ghz). Not only that things tend to run smooth on a Sense device then default Android. Draw.
Updates. HTC already has had a rom leak with 2.1 and Sense. On Verizon both the Droid and Eris are supposed to get 2.1 within short work of each other (may only be a week). So yeah Sense may take longer, but most likely not by much. But that also means that the updates get truly tested before they come to Sense. So I'll give the advantage to the N1.
But the huge advantage the Bravo/Incredible would have over the N1. Lets say I get the Incredible and my wife gets the N1. On the same day both phones suffer spontaneous breaks in the screens. I simply have to go to the local Verizon store (and assuming that particular dick that seems to hate me isnt there) and switch it out. My wife has to wait for a RMA label from HTC and then send her phone out and wait for the new phone to be shipped.
shawn487
Android Enthusiast
also i dont see mass android updates like we have been seeing 1.5-1.6-2.0-2.1 all the time in a means of 3 months it will be more space out sure there will be little software fixes but that shouldnt hurt to much or take too long google already been asked about all the updates as of late and the fragemented app it will cause. so i see another major update not to far down the line maybe something with the vanilla media player but otherwise just little things that the manufactures shouldnt take to long to fix in the near future and this is just my opinion i have no solid info when updates are coming
kyler13
Android Expert
The N1 physically has 512MB of RAM. The limitations are most likely based in Android so if the Bravo has 320MB of RAM, well that's less, physically. But they'll be subject to the same limitations until the supposed kernel update opens things up. Right now, draw. Later, advantage N1.
From the leaked brochure, I think it's 512MB of ROM for each phone and Android sucks up half of that. Draw right there.
How is a custom UI sitting over Android and using more memory going to run faster than the stock experience? Add to that taking away 150MHz? I'm guessing huge advantage N1 here.
Like Kyler said. You are a little wrong about the RAM. Android itself is limiting the RAM usage. So as upgrades come around you will be able to use more RAM for storage I assume. Also I am very surprised that RAM is used for app storage and not the internal flash memory. The Nexus one has 512mb RAM and 512mb Flash. Usually random access memory is used for holding info for active programs not actually storing programs. So my whole RAM argument was based on the idea that the Nexus One will be able to run complex programs with needs for high RAM usage better than the Bravo or at least more programs at once. But if RAM is actually used for App storage the Nexus one will lets say be able to hold 384mb of apps in ram and still have RAM left over for running processes.
With the Sense UI being upgraded my only big concern would be how long would HTC make upgrades for your phone? For example HTC may only want to upgrade their newest phones with the newest version of Sense, they may choose not to upgrade the older phones to make people buy a newer device. From what I read it is not uncommon for HTC to leave a phone on an older version of Android without giving an upgrade option. But I must admit that I am sure the Bravo will get the first few updates.
Finally you made a good point about how the Bravo can just be brought into Verizon while the Nexus One would need to be sent out if there are problems with the phone. That is def a Bravo advantage.
I personally am on the fence right now between the Bravo and the Nexus 1. My other big concern is price. I am on a family plan although I am the primary line. I am worried that Google may do something similar to what they did on T-Mobile and not give the discount to people on the family plan. If that is what occurs I would have to go with the Bravo if it means paying $529 for a nexus one versus a subsidized $250 or so for a Bravo.
kyler13
Android Expert
I'm a little confused about the origination of the concept that RAM is being used for app storage. I think something got crossed in throwing around the terminology because a reboot, power off, or battery pull clears RAM. It requires power to hold information. ROM does not. Is there an Android phone out there with more than 512MB ROM? The fact that an encryption technique to allow app storage to microSD is being worked on by Google kinda negates the need for manufacturers to up the internal ROM (speaking of new models going forward that are in the planning or pre-build phase).
Ruben
Android Expert
All very good points, but on the subject of the upgrades, keep in mind that it has Sense. My former ERIS has pretty much all the features of 2.0 except for the newer market, navigation, and wallpapers. Plus, I don't mind waiting that long if I get a native multitouch browser.
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