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Help Streaming media and the Tyrrany of the Sprint Proxies

So, trying a couple of servers that I typically don't on Speakeasy netted me 1.8 and 1.7 megabits/sec after the change, higher than I've ever seen. My normal server got me 1.1 (higher than typical), and the second one I normally try was 1.27.

Could just be luck as far as time of day and such, so going to try a few other times, but at the very least, it hasn't in any way been detrimental, and thus far has seemed to help. Another big thanks to EarlyMon for posting this up here, or I may have never seen it.
 
Changing those proxy addresses tank my Internet down to 85k down and 68k up on 3G and 255k up and 201k down on 4g
 
Hmm...I think my 3G radio is borked. Is there anything more accurate than SpeedTest? I am getting .21 Mbits/sec consistantly, both with and without this mod. 4G, however, gets a huge boost (3 Mbits/sec). And 3G is slow. But I figured that may have been Sprint's version of 3G and I was used to VZW's.
 
acipollo said:
I did it and my average speed more than doubled. In my house the average went from 350kbs to over 1.5mbs.
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Also, my speeds in the morning (right now I'm home and I clocked at 1.3mbs) are much faster than later in the day( they are between 500kbs and 900kbs). Still an improvement.
My 4G average here is over 5mbs. But it only works in a few areas here.
 
sikclown said:
Changing those proxy addresses tank my Internet down to 85k down and 68k up on 3G and 255k up and 201k down on 4g
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How very bizarre!

jerofld said:
Hmm...I think my 3G radio is borked. Is there anything more accurate than SpeedTest? I am getting .21 Mbits/sec consistantly, both with and without this mod. 4G, however, gets a huge boost (3 Mbits/sec). And 3G is slow. But I figured that may have been Sprint's version of 3G and I was used to VZW's.
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Some believe that this is more accurate, although given it's also from OOKLA, I don't see how.

Speakeasy - Speed Test

If your true 3G speed is 200 kbps in your area, then that may limit what this method can do for you.
 
EarlyMon said:
How very bizarre!



Some believe that this is more accurate, although given it's also from OOKLA, I don't see how.

Speakeasy - Speed Test

If your true 3G speed is 200 kbps in your area, then that may limit what this method can do for you.
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If 200kbps is the most the area can do, then bye-bye Sprint.

Oh, and this mod increases my 4G speed. My 4G radio works fine. It's just my damn 3G radio that's really screwing with me. In the Speed test app, I'm getting 200 kbps up and down. In the web page, I'm getting 110 kbps up and down. I've never seen up speeds and down speeds the same. I would try your solution to 3G woes, but I don't have a second phone. I'm just going to go through tech support and hopefully can get it cleared up and have the radios working correctly.
 
jerofld said:
If 200kbps is the most the area can do, then bye-bye Sprint.

Oh, and this mod increases my 4G speed. My 4G radio works fine. It's just my damn 3G radio that's really screwing with me. In the Speed test app, I'm getting 200 kbps up and down. In the web page, I'm getting 110 kbps up and down. I've never seen up speeds and down speeds the same. I would try your solution to 3G woes, but I don't have a second phone. I'm just going to go through tech support and hopefully can get it cleared up and have the radios working correctly.
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2nd post, - http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-3d/361044-official-solution-3g-issues-3d.html

I had a bad one out of the box - horrendous 3G and GPS, but wifi and voice were great.
 
EarlyMon said:
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Important note - you're under the tyranny of the Sprint proxy servers regardless if you're using 3G, 4G, or Wi-Fi for your connection.

Hope this helps!


By the way:
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Thanks EarlyMon for this thread. Can you clarify this statement?

Are you under the tyranny of the Sprint proxy servers before and after this fix, or is it just before the fix? Wanted to understand exactly that this fix removes you from having to stream through Sprint's proxy servers.

Also, just confirming that even if you connect via wifi, Sprint proxy servers are still routing the streaming traffic through? Why would they do that? That seems to make no sense, as it just adds traffic through their servers.

This seems like a great fix, if that's the case.
 
AndroidSPCS said:
Thanks EarlyMon for this thread. Can you clarify this statement?

Are you under the tyranny of the Sprint proxy servers before and after this fix, or is it just before the fix? Wanted to understand exactly that this fix removes you from having to stream through Sprint's proxy servers.

Also, just confirming that even if you connect via wifi, Sprint proxy servers are still routing the streaming traffic through? Why would they do that? That seems to make no sense, as it just adds traffic through their servers.

This seems like a great fix, if that's the case.
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I confirmed on my Evo when this came out months back - it affected both my 3G and wifi speeds.

Why would they route everything through their proxies? Dunno - one size fits all coding? :confused:

So far, we have two reports that this significantly slows things down for some. Now - there's a mystery: how does shortening a path make it slower???

So - the tyranny of the Sprint servers is the fact that they route you through their proxies, this alleviates it. Rationale for the title in an earlier post. ;) :)
 
EarlyMon said:
...Given the known improvements for the proxy fix (I'll have to apply that after I get my MSL), I'm going to simply declare my _working_ 3vo identical.

My tower distance is 1834 meters.
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You may want to take note, I tried the proxy fix on my 3D and it completely KILLED my speeds. Ping times didn't change much, but I got 3G speeds of 300-900kbps down on several consecutive tests after the proxy fix. I put the settings back to stock, and I'm back up to 1,600kbps + (as high as 2,373).

So while it may be something you want to try for yourself, just wanted to share I tried it out of curiosity and noticed it had an extremely detrimental effect on my speeds. Everything did go back to normal when I switched back to stock settings though.
 
WOW! :D Since coming off my Pre, I didn't really expect a bunch of difference since I was already MUCH faster than before. But golllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeee, was it faster! Speed.net tests went from 1.1 Mbps to about 2.8M, and webpages loaded super quick!

Seeing how I like Sense ad basically more than pleased with my 3VO, I wasn't planning on rooting, BUT is this is the sort of improvements I'd see with root, Katy bar the door! :D

Thanks to EM and all!
 
bobby2478 said:
You may want to take note, I tried the proxy fix on my 3D and it completely KILLED my speeds. Ping times didn't change much, but I got 3G speeds of 300-900kbps down on several consecutive tests after the proxy fix. I put the settings back to stock, and I'm back up to 1,600kbps + (as high as 2,373).

So while it may be something you want to try for yourself, just wanted to share I tried it out of curiosity and noticed it had an extremely detrimental effect on my speeds. Everything did go back to normal when I switched back to stock settings though.
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I did take note of it - earlier on this page, I said to AndroidSPCS that we now have two cases of this not working out. I didn't name names, but I was referring to you and sikclown.

And given that you've decided to discuss this in another thread (twice) after I'd asked you to post it here, I've moved it here for you. You were replying to a post that predated this thread, so let's just discuss it here.

You don't need to make this point as a follow on to my posts discussing other radio issues. This is the thread for discussing it.

Why did neither you nor sikclown benefit from getting a shorter path?

I've no idea - but the method has been around for a year, it's worked as advertised for nearly all comers, but for every rule I guess there's an exception.

Rather than believe the method is flawed, based on the positive feedback for this in lots of forums here and on other forums altogether, your result is just the odd one out that we'd all like to understand.

Meanwhile, if you're having no issues working stock, great! ;) :)
 
EarlyMon said:
...And given that you've decided to discuss this in another thread (twice) after I'd asked you to post it here, I've moved it here for you. You were replying to a post that predated this thread, so let's just discuss it here.

You don't need to make this point as a follow on to my posts discussing other radio issues. This is the thread for discussing it.

Why did neither you nor sikclown benefit from getting a shorter path?

I've no idea - but the method has been around for a year, it's worked as advertised for nearly all comers, but for every rule I guess there's an exception.

Rather than believe the method is flawed, based on the positive feedback for this in lots of forums here and on other forums altogether, your result is just the odd one out that we'd all like to understand.

Meanwhile, if you're having no issues working stock, great! ;) :)
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First I apologize for not posting any feedback here. My intention wasn't to get into an in depth discussion on another topic and draw out the thread with side bantor, but simply to point out with all the links to that thread that it didn't work for me. That way anyone reading it and thinking about jumping to the other thread to try it, would know that up front, rather then being forced to read through multiple pages of posts and trying it for themselves, possibly only to find out it wasn't worth it in the first place.

The next point I'd like to make is that if you go to the CDMA Workshop thread that was posted, and read all the feedback there (15 pages), you will note that SEVERAL people using the 3D have experienced issues with the proxy fix havig a negative impact on their download and upload speeds, as well as some people experiencing issues with streaming video after the change. So while people experiencing issues may still be in the minority, it certainly appears to be much more widespread then it only impacting a couple of odd users, as it sounds above.

At the end of the road, my advice is as follows: If you are getting 3G and 4G speeds that are well within the norms and don't have any problems with your current speeds, I strongly suggest leaving those proxy settings alone.

If on the other hand, your speeds are much slower then average and after trying other things you can't improve them, then I say it doesn't hurt to change the proxy settings and see if it works. Note my initial test showed promise, but after repeated tests my speed kept dwindling. If it makes things worse, you can always go back to your stock settings.

I was happy with my speed before hand, and only tried the changes to the proxy settings out of hope in increasing my speeds even further. However after seeing it had the opposite effect, since my speeds were fine in the first place, I would have been better off if I'd have just left well enough alone.
 
bobby2478 said:
First I apologize for not posting any feedback here. My intention wasn't to get into an in depth discussion on another topic and draw out the thread with side bantor, but simply to point out with all the links to that thread that it didn't work for me. That way anyone reading it and thinking about jumping to the other thread to try it, would know that up front, rather then being forced to read through multiple pages of posts and trying it for themselves, possibly only to find out it wasn't worth it in the first place.

The next point I'd like to make is that if you go to the CDMA Workshop thread that was posted, and read all the feedback there (15 pages), you will note that SEVERAL people using the 3D have experienced issues with the proxy fix havig a negative impact on their download and upload speeds, as well as some people experiencing issues with streaming video after the change. So while people experiencing issues may still be in the minority, it certainly appears to be much more widespread then it only impacting a couple of odd users, as it sounds above.

At the end of the road, my advice is as follows: If you are getting 3G and 4G speeds that are well within the norms and don't have any problems with your current speeds, I strongly suggest leaving those proxy settings alone.

If on the other hand, your speeds are much slower then average and after trying other things you can't improve them, then I say it doesn't hurt to change the proxy settings and see if it works. Note my initial test showed promise, but after repeated tests my speed kept dwindling. If it makes things worse, you can always go back to your stock settings.

I was happy with my speed before hand, and only tried the changes to the proxy settings out of hope in increasing my speeds even further. However after seeing it had the opposite effect, since my speeds were fine in the first place, I would have been better off if I'd have just left well enough alone.
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This is a modification to the phone. Everyone will receive different results. We dont need to argue why or why not they dont work for you, just say it doesnt work for me, it will be noted by all who read. It is not a hard thing to do. Using cdma workshop i was able to get my msl within 3 mins. I was able then to remove the proxies, test, put the proxies back, test, remove the proxies again in less than 10 mins. so 15 mins max to do this, maybe a little more for those afraid to use cdma or dont quite grasp the topic. but still not a major inconvenience or time waster for any so it is worth a shot to try it may work or it may not. no harm, no foul. and its not like you are risking bricking your phone so i say, why not give it a try and let ppl find out for themselves.
 
OK, so that's why I posted the original settings in the first place - so people could revert back. Same thing in the XDA threads (this year's and last year's) and the many threads here on AF on this same subject.

Let's all try to restrain our tempers, thanks.
 
My recommendation was based on my own experience, and isn't meant to be interpreted as telling others my option is the best option. I was happy with my speeds before the change, and did the change in hopes of getting a very minimal gain in performance (since my 3G and 4G speeds were already very good). After making the change and experiencing a drastic negative impact on my speeds, I decided to revert back. Not a huge hassle, but extra work never the less that I could have avoided.

Since I was shooting for an extremely minimal gain at best by this change, and it didn't work out, after wards I found myself wishing I'd have just left well enough alone. My situation was unique since I already had very good speeds to start with, and that certainly isn't the case for everyone.

So my "recommendation" was more geared towards people that are already getting great 3G and 4G speeds but were looking for a minimal gain. Of course it's easy enough to revert back if it doesn't work out for you, however I just wanted to point out that since it isn't necessarily a sure thing, another option to consider is to leave settings as is if people were happy with what they have currently.
 
back on topic, this works for some and not for others, but has proven to increase speeds in the majority of those that try. Try or try not, the decision is yours.
 
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