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The (maybe) "Epic" Motorola X Pre-Release Thread

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jhawkkw said:
If there's one thing to take away from this Motorola X event, it's that Motorola and Google are indeed going to act very much like different companies. Obviously this isn't what a lot of us tech nerds wanted, but it's what Google has been saying for a little while now.

Nexus devices are made and sold with virtually no profit margin, while it appears Motorola is going to sell devices for a much larger margin and be in line with other Android oems just like they always have.
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I could be mistaken but isn't low Nexus pricing a fairly recent thing?

If true, is that short term or permanent?

With 2 GPE phones and whatever the future holds for Motorola, how long will Google want to continue a line at near cost?

Probably a topic for another day, just thinking out loud. :)
 
EarlyMon said:
I could be mistaken but isn't low Nexus pricing a fairly recent thing?

If true, is that short term or permanent?

With 2 GPE phones and whatever the future holds for Motorola, how long will Google want to continue a line at near cost?

Probably a topic for another day, just thinking out loud. :)
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When Google sold the GSM Gnex, it was at the same 350 price tag that the current 16GB Nexus 4 is at. It might be too small of a sample space (only about 1 year thus far) that they've had this model, but it seems that's their intent. Not sure about the long term future, but it looks like this will be their model for the immediate future.
 
jhawkkw said:
When Google sold the GSM Gnex, it was at the same 350 price tag that the current 16GB Nexus 4 is at. It might be too small of a sample space (only about 1 year thus far) that they've had this model, but it seems that's their intent. Not sure about the long term future, but it looks like this will be their model for the immediate future.
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Ah, got it.

I thought that the GNex was more.

Nevermind then, that's the price model as we know it.

Many thanks! :)
 
I think, althouph i dont like it, its probably in every oem/carrier's best interest to make a device hard to root. We are a small percentage of the average android user.
Maybe we were hoping that because its a "google" phone, it would be more dev friendly but i trust googje less and lest for being rom dev friendly. Maybe the 3rd party devs have served their purpose now to google by passing their code upstream and google think they now have a good enough OS to start getting evil to the android geek people like us? (Devils advocate here lol)
 
funkylogik said:
I think, althouph i dont like it, its probably in every oem/carrier's best interest to make a device hard to root. We are a small percentage of the average android user.
Maybe we were hoping that because its a "google" phone, it would be more dev friendly but i trust googje less and lest for being rom dev friendly. Maybe the 3rd party devs have served their purpose now to google by passing their code upstream and google think they now have a good enough OS to start getting evil to the android geek people like us? (Devils advocate here lol)
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There are two types of devices: Consumer and Developer devices. The carrier Motorola X is a consumer device. Therefore it's indeed in their best interest to lock it up for the security of the average user, not leave it open for us tech nerds to modify.
 
Rooting is the same exact thing as getting admin access on your PC.

You can root without bothering with a separate rom, I've done that on two of my phones, I liked the software out of the box.

With root, I get access to full backups and the ability to clean the operating system caches - which, just like your browser - is a really good thing to do when things get wonky. Most problems are solved with that.

Make it a deliberate step. Root is not for everyone. But don't make it hard - that leads to mistakes, mistakes lead to bricks, bricks lead to return and insurance fraud and we all pay extra for others fraud.

Devil's Avocado, the tasty alternative to your Devil's Advocate. :)
 
EarlyMon said:
Rooting is the same exact thing as getting admin access on your PC.

You can root without bothering with a separate rom, I've done that on two of my phones, I liked the software out of the box.

With root, I get access to full backups and the ability to clean the operating system caches - which, just like your browser - is a really good thing to do when things get wonky. Most problems are solved with that.

Make it a deliberate step. Root is not for everyone. But don't make it hard - that leads to mistakes, mistakes lead to bricks, bricks lead to return and insurance fraud and we all pay extra for others fraud.

Devil's Avocado, the tasty alternative to your Devil's Advocate. :)
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Even the devils very expensive lawyer could not argue with that bro. Glad i dont believe in the devil lol.
Yeah rooting should be something that doesnt happen by accident but is fully supported by the phone... something like how you activate dev' options on 4.2.
Especially since these OEM seem to think its fair to void warranty on a rooted device :thumbup:
 
jhawkkw said:
There are two types of devices: Consumer and Developer devices. The carrier Motorola X is a consumer device. Therefore it's indeed in their best interest to lock it up for the security of the average user, not leave it open for us tech nerds to modify.
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Modified to "enthusiasts" (lol) I agree 100%.

By the same token, carriers with a vested financial interest in bloatware cut people off to protect themselves. I'm looking at Verizon and ATT.

Sprint has a publicly stated policy from the CEO - bring your rooted device in for service as is, and they'll force it to a factory configuration on the tech bench.

Problem goes away, you pay.

Problem stays with hardware, they do under warranty or their protection plan.

And they don't get in the way of manufacturers providing bootloader unlocking solutions.

Enlightenment is a two way street. ;) :)
 
^^ Sprint's attitude seems completely fine by me :thumbup::beer:

If people are gona be smart enough to mod a phone, they have to be smart enough to flash it back to stock if something goes wrong. If not, yup they should pay for it being done by the carrier. Im completely cool with that :)
 
Customization on this phone is not really anything revolutionary is it? Couldn't we always go to ebay and order different colored battery doors for our phones? Phones have pretty much always come with black and white front faceplates. They are sold in 16, 32 and 64 GB variations. I guess that putting a name or message on it is new to Android but Apple's been doing that for a long time now.

I can't wait for the day that ordering a smartphone is like ordering a computer. You choose the RAM, you choose the display size and display pixels (720 vs. 1080), you choose the processor. You pay more when you choose higher specs.

These things are little computers. Imagine a Moto X with all of those customizations. Now THAT would be game changing.
 
jhawkkw said:
When Google sold the GSM Gnex, it was at the same 350 price tag that the current 16GB Nexus 4 is at. It might be too small of a sample space (only about 1 year thus far) that they've had this model, but it seems that's their intent. Not sure about the long term future, but it looks like this will be their model for the immediate future.
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I ordered a GSM Galaxy Nexus from the play store...It was $349

However here's what you have to keep in mind. That pricing was in July 2012.
That's roughly 7-8 months after the initial launch of the phone.

I highly doubt this phone hits the play store at that price!

If I had to pick a price I'd say about $449 for the 16GB, and $499 for the 36GB if the play store is going to carry a Google edition. As far as getting it from at&t of contract...Expect even a higher price tag.
 
Cincybearcatfan said:
Customization on this phone is not really anything revolutionary is it? Couldn't we always go to ebay and order different colored battery doors for our phones? Phones have pretty much always come with black and white front faceplates. They are sold in 16, 32 and 64 GB variations. I guess that putting a name or message on it is new to Android but Apple's been doing that for a long time now.

I can't wait for the day that ordering a smartphone is like ordering a computer. You choose the RAM, you choose the display size and display pixels (720 vs. 1080), you choose the processor. You pay more when you choose higher specs.

These things are little computers. Imagine a Moto X with all of those customizations. Now THAT would be game changing.
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I very much agree on your take. I would love to be able to pick and choose my own processor and shooter, etc.

As for colors and faceplates...Yea its kind of cool! But I care more about my processor and my camera then I do the color of the back of my phone. Which is why I ordered a Google Edition GS4 about an hour ago. I'll gladly pay a high premium for a phone with bleeding edge technology, but I just can't do it for a mid range phone that allows me to just pick and choose colors.
 
sean76 said:
I ordered a GSM Galaxy Nexus from the play store...It was $349

However here's what you have to keep in mind. That pricing was in July 2012.
That's roughly 7-8 months after the initial launch of the phone.

I highly doubt this phone hits the play store at that price!

If I had to pick a price I'd say about $449 for the 16GB, and $499 for the 36GB if the play store is going to carry a Google edition. As far as getting it from at&t of contract...Expect even a higher price tag.
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I'm not so sure it's going to be that price. I'm pretty sure it's going to be much closer to it's retail price just like the One and S4 GPE. Though I'd be more than happy to eat my words if I'm wrong. :p
 
I know Motorola/Google was trying to make a big splash with this phone.

Why not pull a Nintendo Wii and use parts that already exist to make the phone? Retooling machines is very expensive but if using parts that are already available and selling at a lower price is like owning your own mint.
 
sean76 said:
I very much agree on your take. I would love to be able to pick and choose my own processor and shooter, etc.

As for colors and faceplates...Yea its kind of cool! But I care more about my processor and my camera then I do the color of the back of my phone. Which is why I ordered a Google Edition GS4 about an hour ago. I'll gladly pay a high premium for a phone with bleeding edge technology, but I just can't do it for a mid range phone that allows me to just pick and choose colors.
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But you can get it made out of wood and pretend you're in that Futurama episode where Bender rejects technology.
 
Cincybearcatfan said:
Customization on this phone is not really anything revolutionary is it? Couldn't we always go to ebay and order different colored battery doors for our phones? Phones have pretty much always come with black and white front faceplates. They are sold in 16, 32 and 64 GB variations. I guess that putting a name or message on it is new to Android but Apple's been doing that for a long time now.

I can't wait for the day that ordering a smartphone is like ordering a computer. You choose the RAM, you choose the display size and display pixels (720 vs. 1080), you choose the processor. You pay more when you choose higher specs.

These things are little computers. Imagine a Moto X with all of those customizations. Now THAT would be game changing.
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^^this! A "modular" phone :)
I remember a thread about this. That would be excellent :thumbup:
 
I was going to go home after work, write up a page on the device or perhaps that should read "rant" but I opted to do this instead...

After doing some thinking, I realized this device, like most others, the one S4 etc are not aimed at me.

Sure, there are developer / GPE editions of these devices so it looks like I either play the manufacturers game or get a developer edition.

I do think its kind of cool you can make your own phone, but I mean you could get a case for it, which is what many will do anyway.

The pricing of the X is the real turn off though. But I guess the average user is not going to be bothered with this fact. It is cheaper then the S4 so....
 
funkylogik said:
^^this! A "modular" phone :)
I remember a thread about this. That would be excellent :thumbup:
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Yea but another problem with that is unlike computers/laptops were you have a lot of room to work with socketed upgradable parts, phones are packed into very small packages. If you had socketed upgradable parts in a 4" phone it would end up being the size of a 7-8" tablet. A lot of ultra books are not upgradable for this reason.

As for the Moto X il wait and see what it goes for on the google play store. If its over $400 I might as well look into better offerings.

Im not a tech chaser so I really don't mind the dual core CPU and 720p screen. I was hoping they would get a great camera in there but from initial reviews it seems to be about avg/bellow avg with the current crop of high end phone cams (Iphone 5, HTC one, S4, Nokia 928 etc).
 
EarlyMon said:
Problem with mix and match internals - FCC certification for each one.

Not cheap.

Easier and far more straightforward to offer various models.
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Limit options if that's the case. I truly don't know how that would work, so I won't pretend, but I can tell you that it's been done with computers for YEARS. I know, this has a radio and thus falls under the FCC but if they send a unit with the same radio through testing with 2 cores, 4 cores and 8 cores, with 2 GB of Ram and 4 GB of Ram, 4" display, 4.3" display, 4.7" display and 5" display, each display available in 720p and 1080p.

I can't see how that would be a different FCC certification because the same radio is used in all, but like I said, I'm not educated about this. Maybe someone else can speak to this. I didn't know that the FCC would care about anything other than the radio.
 
Cronis said:
Yea but another problem with that is unlike computers/laptops were you have a lot of room to work with socketed upgradable parts, phones are packed into very small packages. If you had socketed upgradable parts in a 4" phone it would end up being the size of a 7-8" tablet. A lot of ultra books are not upgradable for this reason.

As for the Moto X il wait and see what it goes for on the google play store. If its over $400 I might as well look into better offerings.

Im not a tech chaser so I really don't mind the dual core CPU and 720p screen. I was hoping they would get a great camera in there but from initial reviews it seems to be about on par with the current crop of high end phone cams (Iphone 5, HTC one, S4, Nokia 928 etc).
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Yeah really true ^^ :beer:
 
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