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thinking of getting S2

blobq

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hi

ive been thinking of getting a S2 for a while & have ready the reviews etc but there seems to be alot of issues with the phone judging by the content in this forum.

Should i be worried or are these just niggles? main concern is the voice echo issue.
 
Personally I would say you should buy it. Its the best phone I've owned by far even with the few problems that I've had. Maybe I've been one of the lucky ones but nothings gone wrong with mine that wasn't easy enough to sort out. At the end of the day if you look hard enough you will find a reason not to buy anything so you should go for it. I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
 
The voice echo problem is mostly due to the case. If it is not designed correctly, it can cause echo. If you have very poor coverage, I have had echo before but not on my SG2.

You got to remember that more posts here are due to people having problems and looking for answers while the SG2 users who is having no problems may not post.

I recently went from my SG2 to the new Nexus but quickly went back to my SG2. It is the best phone I have ever used and I use the 4S and Blackberry.

The SG2 wins hands down
 
Most people join the forum because;
1) They want to report any issues
2) Get help to solve the problem
3) Just to know more about the phone

Then look at the numbers who have bought SGS2 and joined the forum. The percentage of complaints vs the number or owners in terms of statistic could be negligible. So don't let the complaints worry you too much. Many of the complaints you see here would occur for other phones too. And most queries are from people who just started using the phone and not yet got used to it yet.

So many have own previous smartphones including IPhones, and even with all the so called complaints, they still say this is the best smartphone in the market currently in terms of specs, capability and price.

Cheers
 
If you wait for the perfect phone with 0 issues, you could end up waiting for ever. The SGSII is an amazing phone, best I have ever owned. You can always send it back if you don't like it.
 
If you want to see an example of a forum with messages that make you REALLY NOT want to buy, go to any of the Blackberry forums and look in the 9900 section!
 
I used to be a faithful iPhone user. I had every iPhone except the new 4S. At the time, I thought the iPhone was the best there was. My son talked me into looking at the S2 and I was amazed at the functionality of this thing. The S2 could already do a lot of things that iOS5 was just bringing to the iPhone. I doubt I would ever go back to iPhone unless Apple does something dramatic in the area of customization. Their propriatary practices tick me off. Not allowing you to customize a device that you pay good money for is against all my beliefs. Have a look at an S2 device and how much customization you can do then try and do any of it on an iPhone. S2 wins hands down for me!! Don't quote me here but I think in independant tests, the S2 is considered a faster device too...
 
There is no perfect phone.
Every phone bound to have its criticism and compliments.

Its good to have a few look at some reviews but if read up too much, your mind will be confused and distracted.

Personally, i have been using the S2 for 1 month, i think its much faster and better than the Fruity phone which i have been using for the past 3 years.

To each individual preferences, those using the fruity phone will always says its better than the Samsung, Those using HTC, Nokia, will say the same things...conclusion is it will never ends.

Life is short, why make is more miserable thinking so much :D
Go with your heart.
 
Lots of people in the forum have other smartphones besides SGS2, and so far I noticed they say that SGS2 still the best.
 
thanks guys,

just got to decide if i go down a contract route or sim free.

was looking at 12 month deal with voda,
 
You do realize SGS3 is around the corner, and I suspect that would knock everyone's socks off. Could always for for a year on contract then upgrade :D
 
The HTC Incredible was the best phone that I ever owned. When you upgrade from something like that, most people tend to swell on what's missing from their new phone before they appreciate the device. It's a touch act to follow.

The SGS2, however, has been nothing but positive for me. I don't even have a desire to root it or load custom ROMs. It's perfect! Also, it's a core product on an annual release cycle, like the iPhone. You don't have to worry about Samsung releasing anything that makes it truly obsolete until mid 2012 (current model is about 6 months old, SGS3 will be out in about 6 months). Sure, there are variants with minor changes, IE higher clock speed on the Note, or an HD screen on one overseas variant. But, none of these devices truly outshine the SGS2.
 
Blobq,

first of all in relation to the GS3 - I'm sure it will be awesome but for the record I think those specs Russell's linked there have since been verified to be fake. I don't think for instance a 1280x1024 screen is realistic when the camera will be 1080p and hence that combo would lead to significant black borders.

In relation to the GS2, you have received a lot of information so far, here is what I would deem the 'definitive' situation:

Issues you are almost certainly going to encounter:
-'Pink' Spot on camera and in subsequent photos (how big or bad this is depends on the phone and varies considerably....but it's a NEAR universal phenomena. For some it's tiny, for others it's huge. Every GS2 phone I've seen has it. I've seen quite a few. Google it.
-SOME sort of screen artefacts/lines/yellow tint at very low brightness. Whether you care about something this minor, only you can decide.

Issues you perhaps might encounter:
-Voice echo (with certain cases)
-over-heating (solution: upgrade firmware to latest available using the WINDOWS version of Kies. I stress WINDOWS, not MAC.
-Poor battery (solution: look at the various forum tips concerning reducing background data, live wallpapers, brightness etc. Also upgrade firmware as per above).

I still think the GS2, despite niggles, is the best phone around at the mo. Personally at your stage I would wait for the GS3, but I don't think there's really a 'wrong' decision here. Enjoy ;)
 
Blobq,


Issues you are almost certainly going to encounter:
-'Pink' Spot on camera and in subsequent photos (how big or bad this is depends on the phone and varies considerably....but it's a NEAR universal phenomena. For some it's tiny, for others it's huge. Every GS2 phone I've seen has it. I've seen quite a few. Google it.
-SOME sort of screen artefacts/lines/yellow tint at very low brightness. Whether you care about something this minor, only you can decide.

I don't agree about that as my camera has never had a pink spot. I even installed the camera firmware that apparently caused a big pink spot so I could see what people were talking about and still never got one. And as for the yellow tint, I've never had that either. So to say someone will almost definitely encounter both of those problems is a bit assumptious as I've never had either. I'm pretty sure I can't be the only one.
 
I don't agree about that as my camera has never had a pink spot. I even installed the camera firmware that apparently caused a big pink spot so I could see what people were talking about and still never got one. And as for the yellow tint, I've never had that either. So to say someone will almost definitely encounter both of those problems is a bit assumptious as I've never had either. I'm pretty sure I can't be the only one.

Same here. Never had it.

Actually with the SG3, I wasn't looking at the screen resolution. Just the PPI whether they can really match IP4. I was looking more at the fact that it was using quadcore. Wonder how fast that would go. It does make sense to have a bigger screen though. With a bigger processor you would likely need a much more bigger battery. The issue becomes is to make the phone fatter or to have a bigger flatter battery. Increase the screen size, and you can have a bigger flatter battery in a thin phone.

Cheers
 
I wrote: "Pink Spot on camera and in subsequent photos (how big or bad this is depends on the phone and varies considerably....but it's a NEAR universal phenomena."

You replied with:

I don't agree about that as my camera has never had a pink spot.

I implore anyone reading this to see the fundamental flaw in this person's logic. I even put the word 'near' in capital letters so as to emphasise that I wasn't suggesting EVERY SINGLE HANDSET has it. I also used the phrase 'varies considerably' as some have a huge one whereas others have it and don't actually realise until someone points it out to them/compares with another phone.

I suppose 'near universal' is maybe too strong. Perhaps I should have gone with 'strong majority.' But the point remains the same.

If i said to you that smoking 200 cigarettes a day would near universally result in poor health, it would NOT be a particularly helpful or compelling counter-argument to say 'oh well, I've got an aunt who smoked that for 40 years and she's just fine.' At least not in the context of the vast majority.

Sometimes I question the ethics of some of the people who write on this forum, whenever someone comes on to ask if there are any issues/problems pervasive to the GS2, they are deluged by people playing down issues and saying not to worry. What are the motives at work here?

It's my belief that the GS2 is the best phone in the world (bar NONE) right now, and it's only going to be usurped by the GS3. But despite that I don't think it's ethical to give people bad or unscientific advice when they come onto the forum looking for help.

Saying YOUR phone doesn't have it isn't helpful. You only have ONE. I've (for various reasons involving screen defects) tested maybe 50 different gs2's over the months, either ones belonging to friends or in shops. Nearly all of them have issues and chief among the issues is the pink spot.

Anyway, this could go on forever and it's not helping Blobq. So Blobq, if you are listening, you are the objective person in this situation.

THIS IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO:

1)Find a phone shop
2)Go in
3)Locate a working GS2
4)Bring with you a white or very light coloured object (A4 piece of paper I guess would be best)
5)Assuming the room is well-lit, take a picture of the paper (Make sure the paper is filling almost all the screen.
6)Make a note if you notice a pinkish spot on either the screen as you prepare the shot AND/OR the picture after the shot is taken.
7.If you DO see it, go and try another GS2.
8). If you find one that doesn't have it, buy it and lead a happy life.

9).Report back to the forum. This is important Blobq, you can now give a definitive answer to all the people asking on here.

Rant over. I'm sorry if I'm abrasive but I care about people spending vast amounts of money on products they end up annoyed/unhappy with. And sometimes the posts on this forum really vex me. I'm not suggesting this place is populated by people who work for samsung, but for a forum where the vast majority of contributions are support-related, there are some not very helpful and confusing posts doing the rounds.

That's all I guess. Time for a drink.

ps. Russell: Yeah mate I understand what you're saying, I wouldn't be surprised if the specs are similar or better than those in that link, was just saying as a point of interest that that particular spec 'sheet' if you like was discredited. But yes GS3 will likely be bigger, better and bolder.
 
I was looking more at the fact that it was using quadcore. Wonder how fast that would go. It does make sense to have a bigger screen though. With a bigger processor you would likely need a much more bigger battery.

Two issues with this. First, the SGS3 almost certainly will not be quad-core. Right now, SOC-makers are taking two different approaches with their chosen CPUs. Nvidia is taking their existing technology based on the Cortex A9 and making a quad-core variant. TI, Samsung, and Qualcomm are using newer technology (A15 for TI and Samsung, Krait for Qualcomm) and making higher-speed dual-core processors.

The second issue is on battery usage. As you add more cores on a smaller process, as we're seeing lately, typical battery consumption goes down, not up. The SGS2 has significantly better battery life than the original SGS, more than would be expected by such a small jump in battery size (1500mAh to 1650mAh). Yes, if you fully load both systems, the SGS2 will use more power, but it takes so much more to fully load the SGS2 than the original SGS, so this isn't a realistic or fair scenario. Under similar loads, the SGS2 consumes significantly less juice, and the recently announced Exynos 5250 looks to be even better in this regard.
 
Sometimes I question the ethics of some of the people who write on this forum

That makes two of us. You've done little but criticise and knock other members' opinions since you appeared last month. :confused:

Saying YOUR phone doesn't have it isn't helpful.
It's called "balance".

there seems to be alot of issues with the phone judging by the content in this forum
So it's right and proper that those not experiencing problems also speak up.

sometimes the posts on this forum really vex me. I'm not suggesting this place is populated by people who work for samsung, but for a forum where the vast majority of contributions are support-related, there are some not very helpful and confusing posts doing the rounds.
You've read all 4863 topics in this particular section, then? Visited the 100+ other device sections in the site and compared their posts with this one? You want official levels of support? Contact Samsung or pay for a third-party support contract with specialist consultants. Android Forums is a user-supported community where people give of their own time and experiences (many of which pre-date the GS2 by some time) free and gratis to help others. Even suggesting that they may be doing so to deliberately mislead is deeply insulting both to them and to Android Forums.
 
I'm a pretty fair person...I don't 'knock' other peoples opinions unless there's something there to knock in relation to the content of them.

I think I wrote on one post of someone's a few days ago drawing attention to the fact that I (and someone else actually) thought was pretty blatant trolling. You deleted my post.

I account for my mistakes, and I've also helped quite a few people on this forum - with quite a few different things - including the hard reset-post-firmware-upgrade technique for solving the
apps-moving-on-the-dock problem which quite a few people were confused by and subsequently thanked me for...so a LITTLE harsh to hammer me with the phrase "You've done little but.."

In fact I think I actually remember the other day writing something that you yourself said was a good point. Let me know if that's not true Slug. You seem omniscient.

Yeah admittedly I haven't had my GS2 for that long, and this is my first time on these forums - I've only had blackberrys in my mobile life (excluding old school nokia's, and the original iPhone back in 2007 or whenever it was). What's your point? I'm pretty sure (again you'll have to double check this) that most of my posts re-iterate my love for my gs2..regardless of whether what I'm saying is positive or negative concerning it. THAT's balance.

Finally, you writing: "You've read all 4863 topics in this particular section, then?". Er, no I haven't. I think in the part of my post you refer to I said 'SOME' of the posts on here. 'SOME' is a fairly low-threshold word. I don't need to have read all of them to satisfy the criteria of 'some.'


At least you didn't delete another of my posts. I suppose that show's some sort of integrity. I just wanted to help this guy (blobq) out. Anyway never mind, life goes on. x
 
Issues you are almost certainly going to encounter:
-'Pink' Spot on camera and in subsequent photos (how big or bad this is depends on the phone and varies considerably....but it's a NEAR universal phenomena. For some it's tiny, for others it's huge. Every GS2 phone I've seen has it. I've seen quite a few. Google it.

Sorry, but I beg to differ. I performed your white paper test under incandescent, tungsten and daylight light sources and say no pink artifacts. If there were a batch of faulty CCD's and you happened to be one of the unlucky ones who got one, I'm sure Samsung will correct it under warranty. The problem with calling in "near" universal is that there have been hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of SGS2's sold and part of the reason why Samsung has leapfrogged Apple as the #1 manufacturer of mobile phones. If there had been a "near" universal manufacturing defect with these handsets we would have seen a flood of complaints both in the forum and the media. A few hundred, is hardly representative of a significant number, let alone a majority. While I don't deny that it may be a problem. I disagree with your evaluation of the scope.

-SOME sort of screen artefacts/lines/yellow tint at very low brightness. Whether you care about something this minor, only you can decide.

As someone who spends a lot of time troubleshooting technology (I am an IT manager, by profession and an Android hobbyist) and a lot of time in these forums specifically, I can tell you that this is the first time I'm hearing of this specific issue. It's difficult for me, especially as a SGS2 owner who's never experienced this, to say that a potential buyer will have to deal with it. Now, if you've actually seen this, then it is a good idea to give people a head's up as what to look for, but not to claim it's a major issue with the manufacturing of the handsets.

Issues you perhaps might encounter:
-Voice echo (with certain cases)
-over-heating (solution: upgrade firmware to latest available using the WINDOWS version of Kies. I stress WINDOWS, not MAC.
-Poor battery (solution: look at the various forum tips concerning reducing background data, live wallpapers, brightness etc. Also upgrade firmware as per above).

The voice echo is related to a specific case. It is a shortsighted design of the CASE, not the phone and while the case is popular and does preset a problem to a good number of users, it's hardly Samsung's fault for a poorly implemented accessory. The overheating battery is a problem, which has been addressed through firmware. I'm not sure what else Samsung should do other than identify, acknowledge and fix a problem when they happen. As far as poor battery life, that's a near universal concern of ALL smartphone owners, even iPhone. When you ask theses devices to perform these functions all day long on 1400~1800mAh of power, something's got to give, and that is usually charge times.

I still think the GS2, despite niggles, is the best phone around at the mo. Personally at your stage I would wait for the GS3, but I don't think there's really a 'wrong' decision here. Enjoy ;)

Agreed
 
I think I wrote on one post of someone's a few days ago drawing attention to the fact that I (and someone else actually) thought was pretty blatant trolling. You deleted my post.

Nothing personal, that's site policy. Accusations like that aren't considered constructive whatever the circumstances.

What's your point?

My point is that your posting style can be confrontational and aggressive. By all means challenge and debate - that's not a problem if it's done respectfully. Suggesting that members have ulterior motives with their advice plainly isn't.

My apologies for what was an unnecessarily harsh post. I allowed my frustration with another (unrelated) mod issue cloud my judgement. :o
 
To Lunatic:

1) In reference to the case, yes I did actually say it was case-related, not the phone itself. I don't even have this problem, I'm telling Blobq because others have reported it, so it's worth mentioning for him.

2)In reference to the firmware solution for overheating...........yes that's also in my post.

3)I respect you're an IT manager, I am a trainee solicitor so I have ZERO technological credentials outside a consumer's opinion. I've never suggested otherwise and I respect your knowledge. But to say it's the first you've heard of these issues.....they are all over youtube and other places and yes, I experienced them (certainly the yellow tint) with my first GS2 that I ended up returning. My new one has it, but only on an extremely small level to the point of pedancy.

4) Regarding the numbers sold/complaints made ratio argument. That's fair to an extent but I would point out that a lot of these issues (low brightness issues, subtle pink hues etc) are the kind of issues that many might have and not really know/realize about. I myself needed my girlfriend to point out the pink spot to me as I am severely colour blind. Others might just think 'that's how it's supposed to be.' The response I'm sure is on your lips right now is "well is it an issue then if it doesn't bother them?". Well.... it's contentious I suppose. I'm sure there's a lot of debate to be had along this path, but I don't (and you probably don't) have the energy for it. Respect to you anyway x

To Slug:

I'm sorry if I seem aggressive, I'm certainly not an aggressive person but it can be frustrating if when words and/or tone are misconstrued. My arguments are logical, and I don't pretend to punch above my weight in terms of tech knowledge or experience. I am a consumer but I can still critique from that point of view.

Anyway, I have no agenda, I love my gs2, just want to help people as best I can. I'm an amateur, but I learn fast. Apologies to all.
 
Paddy, (if I may be so familiar)

My only point about being the first time that I saw mention of the issue was to lend some perspective to a decision for the OP. I do keep up with the tech blogs and most are extremely sensational to the point of being yellow, and I doubt something like this would have slipped under their radar. Lord knows they love to come down hardest on those with success.

It is entirely possible that the problems are localized. I am an IT manager in the logistics field, namely wholesale distribution and i can testify to bad lots of product affecting only a small area, but having a major impact within that market. It could be that the lot of SGS2's sent through your distribution hub did have an issue with components, which could account for your perception of a universality of defect. Many of these issues don't appear to be of concern in my area (Northeastern US).

Perhaps with more people chiming in we could actually get closer to the bottom of the issues, which is will benefit everyone. We do appreciate your enthusiasm. :)

I am a trainee solicitor

So that explains the argumentative behavior. ;)

j/k of course. I am sure you will have your fill of solicitor jokes, if you haven't already.
 
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