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Thoughts on anonymity on the Internet?

A.Nonymous

Extreme Android User
I've been kind of following the real name story on Google Plus and reading different articles about the controversy and I find it absolutely fascinating.

For those who haven't been paying attention because they have real lives that are actually interesting, Google Plus requires users to use their real names. You can't sign up under a handle or pseudonym. The idea is that when you require real names you get a higher quality conversation. Trolls are less likely to show up if their real name is displayed with their asinine comments. People are more likely to give well thought out responses if their names are attached to them. The theory makes sense.

On the other hand, there are those who hate the policy. They argue that they've been known as <<insert screen name here>> on the 'net for years and it is their identity. They also argue that you have a right to be anonymous on the Internet and that anonymity frees people to say things that may need to be said, but might not be said if the person was forced to identify themselves. They argue that it also frees people to take risks and create new and different kinds of content then they might otherwise. I actually heard someone the other day saying that Google requiring people's real names is a blatant violation of the "Don't be evil" policy which I found absolutely fascinating.

Honestly, I can completely see both sides of the coin. There are things I can say on this forum that I might not say if my real name was attached. I'm in favor of gay marriage for example. If I said that in public and my right-wing, religious nut family members saw that I would be publicly hung, drawn and quartered for my beliefs. I think we all hold opinions like that and there are things we say on the Internet that we would never say to our mothers and would never say in polite company. But that doesn't mean those things don't need to be said or those opinions are not valid.

I'm really curious what everyone else thinks. Does using real names increase the quality of the conversation? Do we have a right to be anonymous on the Internet if we choose to be?
 
Does using real names increase the quality of the conversation? Do we have a right to be anonymous on the Internet if we choose to be?

With some users the quality/honesty of an exchange sure is better with full disclosure. With others, nah... some folks are the same whether behind an alias or using their birth certificate name.

I sure hope the right to anonymity is retained as time goes by.. it seems a dimmer and dimmer reality though.. corporations out there want real people to market to, and it seems they're gradually buying up the internet.
 
Depends. On facebook, I hate when I see people using aliases. I also hate when they don't even put a profile picture (of themselves). I think it's quite lame to use an avatar when interacting with people you're supposed to know.

On the other hand, I'd never use my real name for a forum. I wouldn't use my real picture either, I am a very private person when it comes to the internet. I am not even comfortable sharing my real email address.

G+ is supposed to be for social networking, I think people should use their real names and put their aliases under "other names" and make them publicly available to the correct circles.

PS: The email I use for androidforums is DaSchmarotzer (at) Phandroid (dot) tk ;)
 
I'd not like to see my alias linked to my real name. I do use my real name in Facebook, but have it restricted to family and close friends who are using the same strategy.

The Google+ thing.. I'll never join it.. see no need to as Facebook is enough of that sort of thing for me.
 
I don't use my real name or anything personal anywhere. As long as there are hundreds of stars with Arabic names, I'm never at a loss. You want a photo? I have a very goodlooking snowshoe cat. I'm about 4 deep in aliases before the FB one.
 
I never use my real name on the INternet ever on a forum. I use it on various social networks, but even then it's along side a screen name. I never use a real picture of myself as an avatar ever.
 
Do we have a right to be anonymous on the Internet if we choose to be?

We have a right to prefer to be anonymous if we wish, and a right to only use services that allow that. We don't have a right to expect to be anonymous everywhere.

Google Plus was conceived as a service where "people" rather than "names" interact. It's Google's service and it's their right to require real names in profiles. Frisco hit the nail on the head - if you're not happy to reveal your "true self" then G+ probably isn't a service for you. That's your right. :)
 
Depends. On facebook, I hate when I see people using aliases. I also hate when they don't even put a profile picture (of themselves). I think it's quite lame to use an avatar when interacting with people you're supposed to know.

On the other hand, I'd never use my real name for a forum. I wouldn't use my real picture either, I am a very private person when it comes to the internet. I am not even comfortable sharing my real email address.

G+ is supposed to be for social networking, I think people should use their real names and put their aliases under "other names" and make them publicly available to the correct circles.

PS: The email I use for androidforums is DaSchmarotzer (at) Phandroid (dot) tk ;)

Totally agree here. Social networking is supposed to be using the internet to meet and connect with real people, not their internet persona. If you want to be a troll then go ahead go sign up for some random forum or 4chan.

For social networking like Facebook and G+ I know who I add personally and won't add random people. Even if it's a real life friend, if their name is "Double MacDaddy" I'm not adding them because I have no clue who that is because they didn't use their real name.

Even with that being said, my profile is private for only real life friends. I still think twice before posting something dumb that may get me in trouble. There are ways around it and I know that.

Simply put, the internet is such a growing tool. You're accountable for what you say in real life. You should be accountable for what you say on the internet. And if you want privacy and to remain anonymous then simply don't use Google+, there are many other services you can use an internet identity on.
 
Ha ha! The funny thing is, my screen name has been my real life alter ego for years before I used it as a screen name. When I used to set climbing routes, my real name on a route meant it was ok, most people could get on and enjoy it. If it said chimphappyhour or CHH, well, those were the "fun" ones. My screen name really has become a part of who I am in real life.

That said, I've never used myspace, facebook and I'm still on the fence as to whether I'll ever sign up for Google + if I ever get an invite. To tell you the truth, I still know the people I still want to know. Those I don't still know, I'm ok with keeping it that way.
 
I get the sense that there will always be an ebb and flow between these two things, and always room for anonymity to coexist with real life identities online.

However the trick will be keeping up with the tech and keeping it accessible to the regular joe-lostpacket. I remember some wired writer tried to live "off the grid" for a month or so as a journalistic challenge, and readers we in a contest to find him (the winner got some small prize $5k or something). I think he made it 3 weeks before he actually slipped up.

Found the article (a great read if you have time):
Writer Evan Ratliff Tried to Vanish: Here&#8217;s What Happened | Vanish | Wired.com

As for the internet there are some real challenges facing browser makers to control those new "super cookies"
 
I don't think that there is necessarily a right to anonymity on the internet. It really depends on the service. If a service provides you with the ability to use a pseudonym, it should preserve your anonymity and not suddenly reveal your real name.

There are advantages and disadvantages of having anonymity and not having anonymity. I definitely think it is beneficial to have some forums and services where you are anonymous and some where you have to use your real name. I don't have a problem with Google+ enforcing real names. I think that there should be some services where you have to use your real names because that service benefits everyone on there.

When I first got online in 1985 (not a typo), the bulletin board services I frequent at the time used pseudonyms. It was more of a cultural thing that continued when the internet became main stream. I like that culture of having some anonymity and like having places in the present where that culture continues.

I also think it is nice to have services where everyone uses real names. Google+ is one where it is enforced. Facebook doesn't enforce it, but the general idea of connecting with real people is that you should use your real name. There are things in Facebook where people may want to remain anonymous and some people create additional profiles for that purpose. For the most part, the people I know on FB use their real names.
 
If you are only using the internet to keep track of your own family, you should be able to use any name you wish and mark it friends only. Grandma might just want to keep up with grandkids and not socialize with every Tom, Dick and Harry.

Quite a few people I know use social media this way.
 
If you are only using the internet to keep track of your own family, you should be able to use any name you wish and mark it friends only. Grandma might just want to keep up with grandkids and not socialize with every Tom, Dick and Harry.

Quite a few people I know use social media this way.

Yes indeed. That's the way we handle it.. the trick is to get everybody on board ahead of time, or at some point in time early on.

I found that my nick was so common out there that it was practical for me to just go ahead and use it instead of my real moniker. Everybody I know calls me that, so I accept their "friendship" or "family" offer after cluing them in to not make reference to my real name, etc.

I think more and more people are doing something like that on Facebook.
 
Does using real names increase the quality of the conversation? Do we have a right to be anonymous on the Internet if we choose to be?


I honestly don't think it increases the quality of the conversation. On Google+ I have several AF Moderators and Guides that are in my circles. And for the most part I'm always wondering who I'm talking to since I use the app most frequently. The conversations on G+ or on these forums are pretty much the same, we're all friends here it doesn't matter to me if you decide to use your real name or username. Although, if you do prefer to use your username you should be allowed to.

Most of my local friends don't use social networking sites, so it doesn't matter to me if my real name is on my account. Like others I have the name "B2L" in the other names section on G+. But that really doesn't help anything other than letting people know who I am when adding them. Especially because you will most likely forget later on who it is.

There are times when I will comment on a post and I typically am sitting there scratching my head wondering who it is that I'm talking to.
 
The thing with the real name thing is that there are things I would normally post on Google Plus, but I don't because my real name is attached. I'm not going to bitch about my boss. I'm not going to flame my idiot relatives. I've got a situation at work right now where I honestly think the boss is way, way, way more interested in lining his own pockets than actually doing what is right for the customer. If you can treat the customer right and get paid at the same time, that's the goal. Screwing the customer over and selling them something that they DO NOT need just so you can make money is bad. But I'm not going to post that on G+ where anyone might see it and I could end up unemployed. I'll gladly post it here because it's therapeutic to get it off my chest and I have anonymity.
 
I don't care so much about the real name thing. I have a name of a very famous person, so if I want someone to find me, I have to pretty much give them a link or something because if you search for me, you won't find me. Her damned marketing department tries to make sure that all roads point to her.

I wish that people's nicknames would take the place of their real names. Normal names are boring and I get enough boring everywhere else. Do I want to talk to Ken Miller? Of course, it just adds a bit more fun if the screen name says somthings like Nyrlathotep or something... Just sayin'

Have the screen name say some sort of internal nickname that you give them is OK, too but I am sure one of my coworkers would like to know why we all call him Chewbacca...
 
I'd not like to see my alias linked to my real name. I do use my real name in Facebook, but have it restricted to family and close friends who are using the same strategy.

The Google+ thing.. I'll never join it.. see no need to as Facebook is enough of that sort of thing for me.

Good point.

I might just go ahead and delete my G+ account, it's pointless since no one I know uses it. I really like the circles feature though. Let's hope facebook will learn from that.
 
My name here is pretty close to what my real name is. If any family members actually saw it I bet they would stop and look at it for a few moments, and start thinking of me subconciously. My first two initials and the first half of my last name is all it is.

Thanks for the read. I did not know any of that.
 
seems like a lot of younger people dont care as much about their identity. I know my friends and I dont care. im sure this will change with time, but I dont quite see it mattering too much.
 
It seems pretty counterproductive to me, if the purpose is to get real conversations. Myspace/Facebook's "Friends" things were plenty to keep away trolls, since all you had to do was take away a person's permission to post stuff. The ultimate reason why I say forcing people to use real names is counterproductive though, is because in a rl conversation, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that what you say isn't getting recorded.
On G+, everything you say will be stored on their servers forever, and when some evil company manages to get enough of their lackeys onto Google's staff, say goodbye to everything you hold dear, and then some. Even if Google doesn't screw things up, with all the screencapping spyware out there, you never know whose computer might be giving everything away to your would-be boss.
Using an alias restores some of the credible deniability of things you may have said, when they reach the wrong ears. (Like that time you admitted to liking Bieber's music)


By the way, I tried to create a second facebook account the other day, so I could see just how some of the privacy features there work, but then it asked me to send a picture of my drivers license so they could verify... something. They already managed to spyware my phone number somehow and I don't trust them for privacy after that stunt they pulled a couple years ago where they reset everyone's privacy settings to "everyone" on everything and called it an "update" .... seems like even facebook is trying to require real names lately.
 
^^^ I don't give into conspiracy theories. If you are that afraid, don't discuss "ultra personal" things online. Not sure how discussing the delicious cappuccino I had at lunch will matter one way or the other if it gets into "the wrong hands".

Well, if you use a fake name, no one knows it's you. I could sign up for a social network as John Smith. No one knows me as John Smith so it's pointless.
I see. So then you want people to actually know you. Great. Then by definition, you have no issues with anonymity.
 
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