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Update of Android 2.1

TeleC@ster said:
And more libs will ask more of the processor isn't it?
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no thats not correct. The libraries are used by the applications that need it. So for example the extra bluetooth capabilities will only be used when you use bluetooth.

These things wont slow down the phone. What will slow down the phone is if HTC dont do the upgrade properly to the sense UI, which is why i think they are taking so long. I dont mind waiting as long as they get it right.

If they rush it we probably will end up with the problems you suggest. But dont be confused its not down to 2.1 its down to HTC not upgrading the Sense UI properly :)
 
TeleC@ster said:
Who's complaining?
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No-one's complaining yet, but there WILL be a lot of people who won't buy another Android phone IF the updates don't come AND they are locked out of new applications.

I can see this from a number of viewpoints though. There's no incentive for the manufacturer/network to offer upgrades to the OS. If, at the end of my 18month contract, my phone is doing everything that a then current one does, where's the incentive for me to upgrade? HTC want me to buy a new handset in 18months time.

But if after six months of owning my handset, I am locked out of new applications and services then I shall most definately NOT go Android again. And if Google want Android to take a significant share of that iPhone market then they need to address this issue. As far as I am aware, no iPhone user is blocked from accessing any application and they all get the operating system updates. That's WORTH something and makes a significant impact on the thoughts of the buyer I think.

Then there's the developers. If they find that they are constantly having to update apps for new devices, write multiple versions for different OS versions, etc, then they will turn to developing for easier, more profitable devices. Right now a developer could make an app for iPhone that will work on all iPhones. Even now, there are apps that any 1.5 user (and that's a LOT) can't use....that's a big section of the market missing for the developer.

No developers = no apps = no market = no real reason to get an Android.
 
At first you've got a point there brykins.

iPhone concept, mmm, is gonna hurt soon. Hardware will not be able to keep up the pace. Then they will have to split things up. Bur for now, they have this head start.
No reason to rush things though.

Android/Google/HTC/others will benefit in the end because the concept of android is so much better/open/honest

Imagine there would be only the Hero on 1.5 and nothing beyond that. What would we weely weely weely be missing?( perhaps maybe the bluetooth issue, voila 1.5.1 then, there you go.)

But in reality things are out of sync now, yes.
We must also look at ourselves: don't we claim/expect too much?

Do we really want to throw away this top product after 18 months/2 years (or give to your baby brother/sister).
Wouldn't more and better functionality "in the cloud" keep us happy for a longer period?

Remember, "they" only want us to buy this gear so they can bill us, without that the business model was never positive.

Interesting dicussion though, thnx
 
That's one of the strengths of the iPhone is that its backwoods compatable when it comes to upgrades.
 
During the Nexus One announcement, the guy from Motorola made a very good point - they (including HTC) will only bring new versions of android to existing phones if the hardware can support it.

So we don't really have anything to worry about - if it's not going to work well they just won't bother. At the end of the day, they don't want to deal with customers moaning about lag part way through a warranty period.

And 2.x brings so many welcome improvements. Even if you are happy with your Hero as it is, there are things to be excited about on 2.x as well.
 
So the Q is: Is Hero hardware able to carry 2.1?

Personally I think not. Nexus One and family are really another level of hardware.

But who am I?
 
I think it will be. Better be cos then we can start putting apps onto the sd card
 
Haizum74 said:
I think it will be. Better be cos then we can start putting apps onto the sd card
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And:
- faster
- better battery life
- various applications will run, f.e.: Google Goggles
- Bluetooth will work better
- ...

I think there are numerous advantages of Android 2.1 :).
 
BTW: I don't think the discussion is whether or not HTC Hero can take Android 2.1 or not, or even whether or not Android 2.1 will be released.

Because the answer is yes on both questions ;). Lookie here:

"The official response is that they intend to upgrade every device to the best software version they can support. Not all phones and chips can support all software revisions, like not all old computers can run Windows Vista or Windows 7. We know every phone that was slated to get Android 2.0, like the HTC Hero, is going direct to 2.1, though."


Which means: they believe HTC Hero can take Android 2.1 and they are working on it.



It's just taking them a long time... I hope I'm wrong and they release it before June, or April for a matter of fact :).
 
andy d said:
That's one of the strengths of the iPhone is that its backwoods compatable when it comes to upgrades.
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Umm...no its not. Have you ever tried running 3.0 on a non-3GS model? The phone slows to an absolute crawl. Not to mention the apps are specific to the OS versions, so you're basically forced to upgrade to the new OS version (which costs $10 btw), and end up with a basically unusable phone.
 
its fact guys, the Hero WILL get 2.1, its just a matter of when. We all know that HTC have been for the last month or so working on 2.1 for the hero, there's even screenshots.

So lets stop worrying about whether it will make it on our Hero's or not, cause it will, just a metter of time.
 
quantumrand said:
Umm...no its not. Have you ever tried running 3.0 on a non-3GS model? The phone slows to an absolute crawl. Not to mention the apps are specific to the OS versions, so you're basically forced to upgrade to the new OS version (which costs $10 btw), and end up with a basically unusable phone.
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Can't comment on speed issues with new OS updates on iPhone, but the updates are free for iPhone users, $10 for iPod Touch users.
 
2.1
528 MHz (Hero) vs 1 GHz
288 MB (Hero) vs. 512 MB RAM (ROM is the same)

2.1 will have more backgroundtasks in Ram so it will cause lag when we try to have the same functionality as a nexus one or droid.
When we limit ourselves maybe it will please us but I'm afraid human nature is not going to help us. "Oh, I want that neat app on your droid also on my Hero" Bang! there we go.

I would prefer an updated 1.5 so it will run faster, smoother. And I'm willing to leave all those apps to my next phone.

But again...who am I?
 
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS IN NO WAY TRASHING THE HERO

While I am still worried about whether 2.1 will TRULY reduce the lag on the Hero....the thing I'm worried about most is Flash 10.1.

Am I the only one here who thinks Flash 10.1 is gonna be TERRIBLE on the Hero? Our processors are just WAY too weak. Luckily, I am a premier customer on Sprint, so I can upgrade in December and something stronger will be out by then. I'm excited for Android 2.1, but am scared about the future of the Hero because of it's processor.

For one, from what I've read, we WILL NOT be able to play 3D type games that run on the iPhone. This is one reason I have considered a Pre or Samsung Moment. I use to have the Pre, and the hardware, battery, and bugs sucked. But it at least has the potential to be better with its Omap 3430 Arm 8 Cortex chipset. Same with the Moment; played with it in the store and HATED IT. The thing is ugly, bulkier, multi-touch less, and running stock Vanilla Android 2.1; however, it does have a stronger processor that is capable of 3D games found on the iPhone. No, I don't need a PS3 on my phone, but I do like having a device with potential and possibilities; I AM paying almost 200 bucks for the thing.

Sadly enough, I'm still considering going to one of those two phones simply because our phones lack the potential to go ANYWHERE beyond software updates that basically include a few more options, a different GUI, more sercurity, and other small features. I'm probably going to stick it out, and PRAY that 2.1 keeps me held over. I would bet 100 bucks right now that the keyboard will still lag HORRIBLY, browser still be slow (WITHOUT Flash....gonna be even slower with it), and multi-tasking be painful.

AGAIN....PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS IN NO WAY TRASHING THE HERO

That being said, I love my Hero. The form factor and build are just something I can't leave. SenseUI is something awesome, and overall it doesn't really give me TOO many problems (until I try to multi-task). I just wish they had built the device with the long run in mind; for it to have the potential to do everything (if not more) than its competitors with up-to-date hardware. :mad::(

Add to that that the Moment WILL get 2.1, can most likely run Sense UI NOW, and has a physical keyboard (the worse I've ever used on a smartphone). I just don't trust Samsung and their commitment to the device. I think they just threw out an Android phone to keep up with the pace and go along for the ride (it's still running 1.5....I mean come on). I really don't think 2.1 will be out for the Moment anytime soon, while HTC has more pressure to release it as soon as possible.

AGAIN....PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS IN NO WAY TRASHING THE HERO

I'm holding out until CES to see what Palm has in-store of the Pre. If they demo GPU and SMOOTH running Flash, I'm ditching Hero. If they simply mention small updates (which do absolutely nothing for the phone, with the exception of 1.3.5 that removes App Limit) then forget it.
 
Kanter said:
And:
- faster
- better battery life
- various applications will run, f.e.: Google Goggles
- Bluetooth will work better
- ...

I think there are numerous advantages of Android 2.1 :).
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is google goggles out by the way? i tried searching it on market but found nothing (i know it wont work on our os..but was just curious if it was out already)
 
TeleC@ster said:
2.1
528 MHz (Hero) vs 1 GHz
288 MB (Hero) vs. 512 MB RAM (ROM is the same)

2.1 will have more backgroundtasks in Ram so it will cause lag when we try to have the same functionality as a nexus one or droid.
When we limit ourselves maybe it will please us but I'm afraid human nature is not going to help us. "Oh, I want that neat app on your droid also on my Hero" Bang! there we go.

I would prefer an updated 1.5 so it will run faster, smoother. And I'm willing to leave all those apps to my next phone.

But again...who am I?
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I stand in with you on this one. If you've seen the dozen clips with the N1 you would've noticed the lag which comes when you actually start to use the phone. Just like the Hero before the new ROM. Its easy to pull out a review of an "empty" phone but when the tasks start to grow on numbers... And the N1 does have a 1ghz processor...

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Slug said:
As far as I'm aware no-one has actually seen a 2.1 ROM for the Hero yet, so I'm interested in what you base this on?
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We are talking about the same OS after all... and consider that HTC are trying to integrate Sense which will additionally slow down the phone.
 
Slug said:
As far as I'm aware no-one has actually seen a 2.1 ROM for the Hero yet, so I'm interested in what you base this on?
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Not on facts but on simple reasoning:

Does 2.1 has more functionality? Yes or No?

If Yes, where will it run?

There you go

There are no magicians working at HTC's, 288 MB is their limit for the Hero, 512 is their space for the rest, what will they do?
 
capuman said:
is google goggles out by the way? i tried searching it on market but found nothing (i know it wont work on our os..but was just curious if it was out already)
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If you're running 1.5 then you won't see Google Goggles even if it IS out as it's for 1.6+ devices only.
 
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