Verizon was evil before, but they have really done it this time.

[offanairplane]

Actually we do own a successful business and this isn't what it's all about. Sorry kiddo.

So you don't care about making money?

If not, what was the primary reason for starting your business?

 

[noah way]

Bingo!

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The more money is made, the more is spent, and thus the economy thrives. And that is where jobs come from.

Customers regulate businesses. If they truly are unsatisfied with a company's service they will take their business to a cometitor. That is what keeps companies in check, competition.

Accumulating money is a direct correlation to making money; spending is not. Evidence of this is pretty clear: massive tax breaks for corporations and the ultra wealthy over the last decade has not resulted in growth and jobs. To the contrary, it has resulted in even more rapidly accelerated accumulation of wealth among the very richest at the expense of the working class.

"Customers" do not have the power to regulate business. Unregulated and deregulated businesses as well as those that have escaped regulation due to lack of regulatory enforcement (Wall Street, etc.), have stolen trillions and collapsed the economy.

It is government's job to protect citizens, as defined by the Preamble to the Constitution:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

welfare n., the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity

 

[offanairplane]

Accumulating money is a direct correlation to making money; spending is not.

Why make money if not to spend it? What would be the point? What is money for if not to spend?

Evidence of this is pretty clear: massive tax breaks for corporations and the ultra wealthy over the last decade has not resulted in growth and jobs. To the contrary, it has resulted in even more rapidly accelerated accumulation of wealth among the very richest at the expense of the working class.

If you will examine the "Bush tax cuts" for yourself, instead of just parroting what NBC tells you, you will see that the lowest income families recieved a the highest percentage tax cuts, and the wealthy recieved the lowest.

So if they are done away with as our president dearly wanted to do, guess who would be hurt the most? The people with the lowest incomes.

 

[offanairplane]

"Customers" do not have the power to regulate business. Unregulated and deregulated businesses as well as those that have escaped regulation due to lack of regulatory enforcement (Wall Street, etc.), have stolen trillions and collapsed the economy.

Wall Street is not a business. The companies they trade stock in, are.
We absolutely have that power. The majority of us are just too lazy to exercise that power.

It is government's job to protect citizens, as defined by the Preamble to the Constitution:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

welfare n., the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity

But who will protect us from the government?


Boy if this isn't a thread doomed to be locked.

 

[Ba'al]

It is government's job to protect citizens, as defined by the Preamble to the Constitution:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

welfare n., the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we're in the sad state of affairs that we're currently in...

Since when does the word PROMOTE in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution mean "PROVIDE FOR"?

It's pathetic how this sense of entitlement, whether it be from the government or private industry, has become so entrenched with the sheep of society. Take some responsibility for yourself for cripes sake! If you don't like the way VZW or any other company does business, then leave. Stop whining and complaining like little children whose parents won't roll over and give them everything they want.

Businesses universally respond to one thing: profit. If enough disgruntled customers leave VZW and reduce their profit, that will encourage change. Unfortunately for the whiners of society, the customers aren't leaving. That either means they're generally satisfied with what they're getting for what they're paying, or that they are such hypocritical losers that they'll keep paying the bill while complaining every step of the way because they lack the courage of their commitments. I believe the former. Sounds like quite a few people posting in this thread are --sadly -- among the latter.

If you think that the government and industry should provide you with everything you could ever want or need at little or no cost, there are plenty of political parties that support that philosophy and I encourage you to achieve those ends through the political process instead of incessantly whining how unfair and evil companies like VZW are.

 

[Deleted User]

Anyone else done with this thread?

 

[EarlyMon]

Wow.

I'm trying to see how any of this applies to the user help forum that is here for the Incredible - and I got nothing.

Political debates, right at home in the Politics and Current Affairs sub-forum in the Lounge.

VZW issues - right at home in the VZW sub-forum for carriers.

Life, liberby and the pursuit of happiness - yeah - here in the Incredible forum - no.