ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Android /= hardware
why was USB OTG not in Android kernel, eh?
or screenshot functionality??
yes but this openness increases virus vulnerability, and app compatibility issues!
eFuse!!1
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What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users
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why was USB OTG not in Android kernel, eh?
or screenshot functionality??
ElasticNinja
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Bob Maxey
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We need to thank Bell Labs I think.
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Bob Maxey
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I'll suggest the smartphone was inevitable.
Computer technology became better, chip makers became more efficient at packing more stuff into smaller sections of silicon real estate, speed improvements and lower power requirements made the web in your hands possible, and the public wanted more crap in their hands like YouTube, SMS, the Web, HD Video, and perhaps a phone call or two.
Apple hit a home run with the iPod. But I had a Sony Walkman and a Sony MiniDisc recorder long before the iPod gave digital music to the world. Music was always with me in the form of cassette tapes and mini Laser Discs. Apple did not invent these ideas, but they made digital music what it is today. Apple gets credit for creating something that the public took seriously and I'll suggest that all other MP3 players are here because of Apple's creations.
Perhaps RCA gets credit for new ways to record and play music and video. They offered Wire Recorders for audio and Capacitance Electronic Discs for Video. Or does Pioneer get credit for video on a disc with their Laser Vision products, or T. A. Edison for music before that, with the invention of his Gramophone? I can play a nice waltz on a piano that uses a mechanical and pneumatic system to read from a roll of paper, I was sending "digital" communications before Apple and the rest created their devices, so the idea of digital communications (of a sort) is not new.
I can listen to digital messages (of a sort) with my Continental Instructograph. Did Continental invent digital messaging? Perhaps Samuel Morse gets credit for "digital" (Binary might be more accurate because we use dots and dashes which equate to yes/no or on/off) communications and everyone stole from him. Or perhaps Morse ripped off someone else.
"Franklin Pope was a telegraph inventor and writer. He may best known for his partnership with Thomas Edison in the telegraph services in early of 1870. Alfred Vail was one of Samuel Morse's partners and contributor in the development of telegraph. William Baxter was Vail's lab assistant at the Speedwell Iron Works where early developments were made." So who invented it? History credits Morse, but who is to say if he invented it, stole it, or simply took credit for it? Long time ago and he did not work alone.
So at what point did the smartphone arrive and who gets the credit? What features make a cell phone a smart phone? Who created the first such device? Radio telephones are not new; I posted a picture of one from the 1920's. Did Apple copy the idea or did the Brick Phones start us down the road towards the smartphone and technology improvements made the idea feasible and the general public that wanted more and more and more drove innovation?
What about Palm? We put email, up to date stock reports, weather information, travel aids, and the web in your hands before the iPhone arrived and we ran a few PVTs for RIM that clearly pointed a way to a smart telephone type device. But we also built products for the Newton which also gave you web and email access but no phone. Had the Newton been a huge hit, Apple most likely would have found a way to add a telephone because lots of people in the know, me included, wanted to see a phone incorporated into Palm devices because it seemed logical.
John Sculley coined the term PDA so Apple did indeed "invent" the PDA but Palm glorified and elevated it to a high level. It has/had much in common with the smartphone of today, so does Apple get credit for leading us towards these types of devices? Yes. Did Palm steal Apple's ideas and use them to create a far better PDA? No.
I'll bet very few people gathered here ever saw a Newton. Just Me and EarlyMon, perhaps.
So at what point do we say Company A invented this or that and give them credit rather than just say they copied and greatly improved an idea? Does the credit go to the inventor or the innovator that took an idea and made it better and manufacturable?
Who cares, we all benefited from those that came before us.
Bob
Computer technology became better, chip makers became more efficient at packing more stuff into smaller sections of silicon real estate, speed improvements and lower power requirements made the web in your hands possible, and the public wanted more crap in their hands like YouTube, SMS, the Web, HD Video, and perhaps a phone call or two.
Apple hit a home run with the iPod. But I had a Sony Walkman and a Sony MiniDisc recorder long before the iPod gave digital music to the world. Music was always with me in the form of cassette tapes and mini Laser Discs. Apple did not invent these ideas, but they made digital music what it is today. Apple gets credit for creating something that the public took seriously and I'll suggest that all other MP3 players are here because of Apple's creations.
Perhaps RCA gets credit for new ways to record and play music and video. They offered Wire Recorders for audio and Capacitance Electronic Discs for Video. Or does Pioneer get credit for video on a disc with their Laser Vision products, or T. A. Edison for music before that, with the invention of his Gramophone? I can play a nice waltz on a piano that uses a mechanical and pneumatic system to read from a roll of paper, I was sending "digital" communications before Apple and the rest created their devices, so the idea of digital communications (of a sort) is not new.
I can listen to digital messages (of a sort) with my Continental Instructograph. Did Continental invent digital messaging? Perhaps Samuel Morse gets credit for "digital" (Binary might be more accurate because we use dots and dashes which equate to yes/no or on/off) communications and everyone stole from him. Or perhaps Morse ripped off someone else.
"Franklin Pope was a telegraph inventor and writer. He may best known for his partnership with Thomas Edison in the telegraph services in early of 1870. Alfred Vail was one of Samuel Morse's partners and contributor in the development of telegraph. William Baxter was Vail's lab assistant at the Speedwell Iron Works where early developments were made." So who invented it? History credits Morse, but who is to say if he invented it, stole it, or simply took credit for it? Long time ago and he did not work alone.
So at what point did the smartphone arrive and who gets the credit? What features make a cell phone a smart phone? Who created the first such device? Radio telephones are not new; I posted a picture of one from the 1920's. Did Apple copy the idea or did the Brick Phones start us down the road towards the smartphone and technology improvements made the idea feasible and the general public that wanted more and more and more drove innovation?
What about Palm? We put email, up to date stock reports, weather information, travel aids, and the web in your hands before the iPhone arrived and we ran a few PVTs for RIM that clearly pointed a way to a smart telephone type device. But we also built products for the Newton which also gave you web and email access but no phone. Had the Newton been a huge hit, Apple most likely would have found a way to add a telephone because lots of people in the know, me included, wanted to see a phone incorporated into Palm devices because it seemed logical.
John Sculley coined the term PDA so Apple did indeed "invent" the PDA but Palm glorified and elevated it to a high level. It has/had much in common with the smartphone of today, so does Apple get credit for leading us towards these types of devices? Yes. Did Palm steal Apple's ideas and use them to create a far better PDA? No.
I'll bet very few people gathered here ever saw a Newton. Just Me and EarlyMon, perhaps.
So at what point do we say Company A invented this or that and give them credit rather than just say they copied and greatly improved an idea? Does the credit go to the inventor or the innovator that took an idea and made it better and manufacturable?
Who cares, we all benefited from those that came before us.
Bob
One of my best friends has a Newton - and it still works. He's 100% a PC man now, but whenever the Apple vs. PC nonsense starts up at his house, he just pulls out his Newton and scribbles quietly until the message sinks in.
Apple Newton
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Bnice
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WOW! You learn something new everyday.
I disagree. I think Google's got the name recognition to do what Apple did with smartphones. It may not have been as quick or as cultish, but it definitely would have happened.
And yet, I remember the G1 launch being picked apart on Slashdot.
Nokia users where laughing up their sleeves because they had a full Linux phone already, Openmoko supporters were upset that the open platform was being upset by a large corporation and Blackberry users were rolling their eyes over what it didn't do.
http://gizmodo.com/#!5053747/android-and-t+mobile-g1s-five-most-obnoxious-flaws
And by your own assessment, if it hadn't been as quick - you've agreed with me, if you've meant quick to rise in the market.
And the same was true of the iPhone.
It wouldn't have had the rock star quality that the iPhone had, but it would likely have risen faster without the iPhone competition (after the initial bump).
My cousin has the iPhone 4 I got the Samsung Fascinate. It seems to me both phones are overall the same. My Samsung is faster with a bigger display has a better keyboard swype. Better app store with more premium apps for free. No itunes needed and I get free music with music downloader in the market. What is so great about the Iphone anyway?
Well, it's Monday morning for both of us.
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No, it doesn't. That's part and parcel of the Microsoft Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt campaign.
Piss-poor security architecture increases virus vulnerability. If open-ness was the problem, IE would not see 3-5 0 day exploits per month. Safari would be able to fare better than Chrome or Firefox in Pwn2Own.
App compatibility, again, isn't caused by open-ness, but rather by project forking. UNIX, by and large, is made up of many proprietary implementations. However, a source tar-ball written for on AIX will not necessarily compile on Mac OS or NetBSD.
Source tar balls for Linux will compile straight away on any Linux distro. Any software package written for Windows XP will run on Vista and Win 7.
Seeing as Android can be as simple or as complex as you want, I wouldnt say the iPhone is made for those not smart enough to run Android.
A funny thing happened when I went to AT&T last year. I use Android now. I was using Win Mo before. I tried out WP7, the Captivate and the iPhone.
I was lost trying to find my way around the iPhone...lol When I went from Win Mo to Android, the learning curve was very small.
It all depends on what you are used to using.
A funny thing happened when I went to AT&T last year. I use Android now. I was using Win Mo before. I tried out WP7, the Captivate and the iPhone.
I was lost trying to find my way around the iPhone...lol When I went from Win Mo to Android, the learning curve was very small.
It all depends on what you are used to using.
KENNECTED
Android Expert
I agree with the other posters, I'm not an iPhone fan, but at the same time I'm not a blackberry fan either.
No need to insult others based on their choice of a smart device.
What value does a thread starting post like this have to the Phandroid/Android forum community at large?
No need to insult others based on their choice of a smart device.
What value does a thread starting post like this have to the Phandroid/Android forum community at large?
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
my points were related to Googles handling of the Market and Device access to it
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
are you joking?
a SGS on 2.1 is much slower than my Blade, which is quite a bit slower than an iPhone
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Bnice
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If you as an individual is happy with your device whether it being an iphone or android device,then thats all that matter.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
I just want to throw out there that the term "tar balls" makes me giggle. I know what it means and it still makes me giggle.
sssteve72
Newbie
You know at lunch today I was sitting there eating with two other employees. I picked up my HTC EVO pressed the search button and then touched the speaker icon next to the google search bar and said "shoes". Within 3 seconds I had a google map with locations of shoe stores all around me.
To quote an apple lover (I'll spare the other names), I like my Android phone because it just works. And I didn't even have to go download an app because it already works...stock...
To quote an apple lover (I'll spare the other names), I like my Android phone because it just works. And I didn't even have to go download an app because it already works...stock...
Then we should refer to compressed PC files as "Zip balls" and Mac archives as "Stuffed balls" ... after all, fair is fair.
Jammy
Android Expert
I have vivid memories of playing the Yahtzee game on my dad's Newton in church when I was a kid
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