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What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users
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Bob Maxey
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I loved CE. It was installed on my Vaden Clio.
Vadem Clio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Clio offered handwriting recognition that actually worked. I also had CE on a few other devices. As for color, we learned that people want color and we anxiously awaited the day we could release the Palm Pilots with color screens.
Bob
pantlesspenguin
Android Enthusiast
I like this.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
And you get a few free Apple logos, too. Never got me no stinkin' robot stickers when I bought my phone.
Damn it!
Bob
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
its funny how all the Apple haters are still on crappy 2.2 
Here are a few reasons you may want to keep an Android phone with a Mac:
- Google Voice integration is much better on Android.
- Android even without Google Voice has the ability to send certain contacts straight to voicemail (very handy for wrong numbers and telemarketes).
- Android has free turn-by-turn navigation.
- Just because you have a Mac doesn't mean you use iTunes.
- Newer Android phones support Flash, which isn't often necessary but is handy to have occasionally, and (contrary to what Steve Jobs says) it doesn't suck battery life because it can be set to be on-demand only.
I'm not sure what you mean by factory opened, but I had to root my phone (the Android equivalent of jailbreaking). It wasn't rooted by default.
Ferrari353
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He's saying that for an iPhone to do the same things as a factory Android phone, you have to jailbreak the iPhone. So a jailbroken Iphone is the equivalent to a factory iPhone.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
I doubt any current deploying allows root accost out of the box.
Both devices seem to have a lot of support for breaking out.
This is a great thing for both phones, but shows a deficiency in the support model - how to give a class of customers what they want without having to become chipheads or forum gurus and without creating a support nightmare.
There simply must be some reasonable middle ground not considered yet.
Meanwhile, I do admire the Nexus phones - they act like PCs (win/mac/linux) in that a simple command gains root - in reality, that's just admin access, and many people seem to know how to get an admin account or admin rights on their PC (win/mac/linux) without screwing everything up.
So - in my mind, both are equal win / fail in the jailbreaking/rooting area.
This is a great thing for both phones, but shows a deficiency in the support model - how to give a class of customers what they want without having to become chipheads or forum gurus and without creating a support nightmare.
There simply must be some reasonable middle ground not considered yet.
Meanwhile, I do admire the Nexus phones - they act like PCs (win/mac/linux) in that a simple command gains root - in reality, that's just admin access, and many people seem to know how to get an admin account or admin rights on their PC (win/mac/linux) without screwing everything up.
So - in my mind, both are equal win / fail in the jailbreaking/rooting area.
I don't think most users really care about root access in general, but what's annoying for Android users who do not have Nexus phones is that you can't uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the phone unless you have root access.
If you buy a Windows PC that has trial versions of Norton antivirus and Microsoft Office, yeah that's annoying, but you can uninstall it all.
If you buy a MyTouch 4G that comes with a bunch of trial games and other software, you can't say "Okay, thanks. I don't like those, so let me just uninstall them." To remove them, you have to root your phone, which is quite an involved procedure (at least for the MyTouch 4G).
If you buy a Windows PC that has trial versions of Norton antivirus and Microsoft Office, yeah that's annoying, but you can uninstall it all.
If you buy a MyTouch 4G that comes with a bunch of trial games and other software, you can't say "Okay, thanks. I don't like those, so let me just uninstall them." To remove them, you have to root your phone, which is quite an involved procedure (at least for the MyTouch 4G).
nklenchik
Android Enthusiast
its funny how all the Apple haters are still on crappy 2.2
Lol the majority of Android users are on 2.2 right now. Those on 2.3 should consider themselves lucky.
mkioshi
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I'm a mac user, have been for ten years. I don't have google voice (not available in Brazil) but man I just LOVE the fact of not needing iTunes to sync anything. I use Double Twist to sync my media via wifi and I love that I never had to connect an USB cable to my computer. Android sometimes behaves and feels like a beta system imho but I like the freedom it offers, I always say that iOS is for those people who don't go straight to the configuration panel of the apps like us geekier types. Android is perfect for us because of that. I'm only gonna get pissed if my phone (milestone/droid2) stop getting system updates then I'll consider an iPhone. I like having 3 launchers, 4 keyboards and 4 different browsers, loving Android so far.
No, the equivalent to jail-breaking an iDevice on an Android platform is:
Settings --> Applications --> Unknown sources (Place a checkmark there)
Rooting an Android device is so much more than jail-breaking an iDevice. It allows you to modify the very OS that is running, not just allowing you to install apps that some company doesn't approve of.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Except for the minutia, there is no technical difference between Rooting and Jailbreaking. Both techniques are designed to give the user root access to their devices.
I Jailbroke my iPad and that gave me the ability to access the root file system and delete anything I want to or need to delete. I can install apps from many different sources. I can add themes, change icons and icon badges, run applications Apple will not allow, like Frash, iFile, and I can add "Desktop" widgets. I can put programs and widgets on my lock screen and change that altogether.
I can do anything I want to do to the device include screw it up.
I can use flash drives and MicroSD Cards and access any file type I want to access directly from the card or drive. Clearly, this is not something Apple wants or they would have made it possible. Especially knowing that accessing doc, docx, and text files is something that some business users might want or need to do.
Txt and doc files cannot be accessed from a flash drive or MicroSD card with an unbroken device because only by jail breaking can I use the iFile File Manager. That allows me to open files not allowed by Apple's Camera Connection Kit.
When I go to "Settings --> Applications --> Unknown sources all that does is allow me to install foreign apps. And by no means is that remotely considered a JB; it is a standard feature that means very little. For example, how does that allow me to remove unwanted factory installed apps?
No, please forgive me, but you are incorrect in your understanding of JB and Apple products. My iPad is like a whole other device because it actually works for me and that would not be possible if not jailbroken.
I am not sure what you mean by modify the OS. Can you clarify? Not sure you can modify a compiled program unless you recompile it after making changes. Again, clarify. I can modify the OS to some extent like changing internal text files or images in the folders. For example, Apple's standard icon files. As for changing the code, it is beyond me and I'll say it, it is not at all possible or easy.
Bob
As long as you've purchased Apple's connection kit... I'm sure that's true.
Of course, without additional purchases, this is absolutely not true.
All the features you've spoke about that you can do because you jail broke your iPad is only because you were then able to install an app that lets you do it.
Jail breaking an iDevice does not actually give you full access to your device (Try loading a new kernel, and get back to us), it only allows you to install apps not approved by Apple.
And enabling third party apps on an Android device does not give you the ability to remove factory apps, because of the security design of the OS (You don't have busybox installed yet, and no su binary).
No, I understand completely. Jail breaking an iDevice allows you to install unapproved software on it, which can then allow you to do other things (Like explore your file system).
Try loading a new kernel on your iDevice. Swap out your init binary. Things like that. Rooting an Android device allows you do that. Jail breaking an iDevice does not.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
What does that have to do with the ideas being discussed in this thread? I think we are discussing JB/Root and the differences between them.
Certainly, you need the CC Kit, but so what? The thirty bucks I spent makes my iPad truly useful because in my little SD card case, I can fit twelve 16 Gb SD cards. Clearly, more space than I need. The iPad was designed to use the CC Kit and not to use flash drives and MicroSD cards directly, but at least I have that option courtesy of Jailbreaking.
That discussion has very little to do with how open IOS is compared to Android or if an android phone is shipped rooted and the iThingy is not, or if my root is better than your root.
Bob
Actually, I would disagree. Android has these functionality built into the hardware... iOS, you need another piece of hardware to use that functionality. That's definitely something that belongs in a how open iOS is compared to Android discussion.
iOS isn't just software locked, it's also hardware locked.
I've heard many people say this and I don't get the reasoning behind it. It's a convenient thing to say because it can't be proven wrong of course, but I simply don't believe that without Apple no other company would have introduced the same features. Phones had been evolving at an ever faster pace for years before Apple ever dreamed of entering the market. Why is it that multiple sources can be responsible for decades of innovation but once Apple shows up to the party nobody else could possibly have done what they did?
All Apple did was crush every other option available at the time under the wheels of their marketing machine. Who's to say that one of the alternatives wouldn't have grown into something far superior if it had been allowed to evolve on it's own instead of being forced to play the looks/works-like-an-iPhone-game?
I think if the iPhone hadn't come out first and kicked a hole into the smartphone market, neither the iPhone nor Android would be enjoying the numbers they have today and crackberries would still be winning.
The iPhone proved that smartphones were so simple even Apple could do them - and then Android proved there was the alternative.
Released backwards or lacking the iPhone would've screwed that all up, imo.
The iPhone proved that smartphones were so simple even Apple could do them - and then Android proved there was the alternative.
Released backwards or lacking the iPhone would've screwed that all up, imo.
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