NYCHitman1
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Braves in the WS would be pretty awesome. Would be reminiscent of the early 90's. I don't see the Rays making the playoffs though which is unfortunate but it is what it is.
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Braves in the WS would be pretty awesome. Would be reminiscent of the early 90's. I don't see the Rays making the playoffs though which is unfortunate but it is what it is.
NYCHitman1
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Yankees fans rejoice!!
El Capitan has made history w/ his 3000th hit today!!
El Capitan has made history w/ his 3000th hit today!!
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novacane (OFWGKTA)
Every baseball fan I've asked - and I've been watching this game for a long time, so I'm a baseball fan in general too - has said the ASG is a popularity contest and that many times, Yanks/Sox players get stuffed in there regardless of stats. If you don't want to believe it, fine. But its true from everywhere outside of NY/Boston. Heck, I'd feel the same way about my team and would deny it if other people said it about the Giants. Unfortunately, our population density compared to NY area isn't as great so we aren't able to rig the vote like that.
Edit: Almost forgot.. congrats to the captain for hitting 3k!
NYCHitman1
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I'm not denying the fact that it is a popularity contest. I was just pointing out that when you say the guys are talentless, that's a bit absurd. It takes major talent and determination alone just to make it to the bigs.
I'm defending Jeter for his past ASG appearances because he deserved to be there. Only one player comes to mind in that 9-year span that ever came close to posting similar numbers as Jeter did although his were a bit higher in the power department, and that's Michael Young from Texas.
Not for nothing, but the majority of selections this year were super deserving with the exception of Jeter. A few guys got snubbed but it's alright because anyone with good general knowledge of the game knows that they should have been there.
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novacane (OFWGKTA)
Never said anything about players being "talentless" so if thats what you got out of my post then you have misinterpreted it.
My posts above said that Yanks/BoSox get picked - sometimes UNDESERVING - and heavily based on popularity moreso than talent. That was it. If you want to deny they aren't undeserving as a selection, fine. As I just said above, much of the nation (that is, outside of the greater New York/Boston area) feels otherwise.
phantom phenom
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both of my favorite teams lost today.. Rays and Braves
man its too bad Shields wont win the cy young award.. he had 7 completed game this year.. before all star break!
man its too bad Shields wont win the cy young award.. he had 7 completed game this year.. before all star break!
phantom phenom
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yeah, thats why I want realignment!!!
I mean yankees,red sox and rays are top three best record in american league for crying out loud!
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novacane (OFWGKTA)
But then that'd ruin the "aura" of interleague play
(which gets the MLB a ton of $
)
NYCHitman1
Gun for Hire
Lol, you totally went back and edited what you wrote because you did state some of the players were less talented than others. Either way, ASG is a popularity contest - yes - in most occasions, yankee/red sox players are selected - another yes - are most of those selections deserved? - probably.
That's like saying that Adrian Gonzalez doesn't deserve to be representing the AL at 1B this year. He's been amazing and if it weren't for Jose Roidtista he would prob win the AL Triple Crown.
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novacane (OFWGKTA)
I can show you the edit log for the posts on this page that I've edited (theres 2). I can see both the pre-edited post as well as the post-edited and I can guarantee you none claim Yanks/Bosox (or MLB players in general) are less talented - and can have any other mod (we all can see what was posted before an edit) validate it. Its ok to admit when you're wrong
You're going in circles right now. It has already been established several times that the ASG is a popularity contest - there was no argument there to begin with. What I said which you took exception to was that Yankees or Red Sox players are always fan-voted, much more than other teams, even when they may not deserve the bid (based on stats vs other AL players at the position) in most, if not all, ASG's. Obviously as a "die hard Yankees fan" you're going to feel different because thats you're team. As I mentioned before, I'd feel the exact same way and defend my Giants if we could stuff the vote all the time too. Unfortunately for the other players of AL teams, their population density nor fanbase is as large as the greater New York/Boston, so no other team is able to do that; regardless of the fact that, that particular player matches the stats (or is better) than the voted Yankee/Red Sox. This all ties into the whole popularity contest.
Your Adrian Gonzalez example couldn't be far from what I'm trying to get at which leads me to believe you're not understanding the message I'm trying to convey. I said undeserving selections based on stats. And you go and pick someone that is putting up insane numbers.
NYCHitman1
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My point in picking Adrian Gonzalez was due to the fact that players who typically get selected to the ASG have monster numbers. That's how it's been since way back when and that's how it will always be going forward as well.
^^ The problem is the ASG is an important game, that shouldn't be determined by fans, but by players voting on players they want to represent them to win their league home field advantage in the World Series.
Don't they need to have 1 player from every team represented in the ASG? That means some guy from the Pirates is going to be able to put "ALL STAR" on his resume? haha
Anyways, born into being a Red Sox fan... look like I won't be able to keep up in this thread haha
Don't they need to have 1 player from every team represented in the ASG? That means some guy from the Pirates is going to be able to put "ALL STAR" on his resume? haha
Anyways, born into being a Red Sox fan... look like I won't be able to keep up in this thread haha
All are welcome
And your pirates example is a little off... they have a real chance to win the division, would be first winning season in almost 20 years
NYCHitman1
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Some guys get snubbed. The Pirates have had all-star caliber players for a long time but they always sell them quick to gain prospects or $ but never re-invest back into the team. Pretty shitty if you ask me.
If I'm not mistaken, McCutchen made the NL team this season but only because someone decided to sit out.
There are players from every team represented on the all star team, every year ... it is a rule. Are there all stars on every single mlb team.. doubtful. It is a silly rule, and the fact that fans vote to determine who is an all star is silly. It should be by the players. "Who do you want to give you a chance at home field advantage in the WS" ...
my opinion anyways
my opinion anyways
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novacane (OFWGKTA)
I don't think you read one thing I wrote - so I'm just going to stop now. Hard to convince a fan of that team, that the players of that team don't deserve all star bids. I will end by saying that what you said is exactly what I was trying to prove. Not ALL players that get voted (i.e. Jeter) put up monster numbers - but rather the fact that NY/Bos has such a high fanbase/population density that the voting is tremendously skewed so that smaller market teams have no chance to put rig the vote like that. End of story.
I think not only that, but players who aren't going to bother to give the fans what they want ( not going to the All Star Game when voted in) barring any injury shouldn't be put on the ballot. Buster Olney had a great point earlier today: ask all players whether they will be willing to commit to the ASG in March before the season starts (again, barring injury which will negate the fact). If they say yes, they cannot back out if voted in. If no, don't even put their name on the ballot and let other players get those votes.
Like I said, the Bucco's are for real! The bandwagon still has plenty of room for all others that want to hop on!All are welcome
And your pirates example is a little off... they have a real chance to win the division, would be first winning season in almost 20 years
NYCHitman1
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Lol, not once did I disagree with you in that regard either. I admitted that the last two seasons Jeter did not once deserve to be placed on the AL roster. I don't even feel like this is an argument but more of a misunderstanding. We're definitely on the same side here.
I just don't know where the notion that the roster is loaded of Red Sox/Yankee players comes from. It's nonsense.
Buster couldn't have said it any better.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Nice discussion going on on another forum I'm on about Clemens, the mistrial and whether he deserves to be in Cooperstown or not. Thoughts?
I was a Baseball fan for a while in my life, it was at the time when we had Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Frank Thomas, Ken Griffey Jr, Barry Bonds and many other great name players. This was probably around 1993-2002. After that all of those great players were gone, I left as well and just cannot sit through 5 minutes of any game anymore.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
If it's star players you're looking for, there are lots of them out there. Robinson Cano and Adrian Gonzalez are both great young players. Then there are guys like Albert Pujols and Roy Halladay who are easily among the best to ever play the game at their positions.
NYCHitman1
Gun for Hire
I'm honestly not sure. I mean Clemens was a great pitcher (or so we all thought). I guess I'm on the fence.
Its tough, really. With the steroids "era" in baseball, to make a case one way or the other. IMO, if they cheated, they shouldn't be considered, but its a slippery slope. At the very least they should have the * of death next to their names on the ballot. A lot of the guys have at least come clean about it. With clemens not doing so, it just tarnishes his image further.
MLB did literally nothing to stop the steroids era from coming to fruition. Selig or whoever literally just sat back and cashed the checks as baseballs popularity grew leaps and bounds. He should be held accountable for some of this too. They almost fostered the use of those drugs for a few years there by not being proactive and denying stuff.
As far as the allstar, I didn't even watch, lmao. And was with one of my guys (for the rest of this year anyways) winning MVP of the game. Man, Fielder is sure setting himself up for a nice huge payday.... sad face, lol.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
That was basically the attitude of at least one poster on the other forum. They argued that yes, Clemens cheated, however, MLB did absolutely nothing to prevent him or anyone else from cheating so it's hypocritical of them to turn around and deny him entry into the HOF for cheating. I can't say that I agree with that logic completely, but I can understand it for sure.