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When 4Chan meets eBay

byteware said:
Users on Ebay don't have their names revealed. He had to put those pieces together, and OUT her. Otherwise everyone would already have her name and address.
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You can see from the OP that her username was Daney21.

She used the same name on Myspace.

Dana Stillwagon (Dom's Mom) on Myspace

There we can find this:

Her full name is Dana Stillwagon.

Status: Married
Here for: Friends
Orientation: Straight
Zodiac Sign: Scorpio
Children: Proud parent
Smoke / Drink: No / No
Education: College graduate
Occupation: Lab Technician

He brother was born on November 17, 1987 in Tampa, Florida and was put up for adoption. She never met him.

Her gmail address is daney21@gmail.com

From this information, we can find her facebook profile:

Dana Stillwagon | Facebook

Her maiden name is "Bartimus".

That was 15 minutes of research from one person. All based on information she had put on the internet. It is not private whatsoever.

I'm sure with more people and more time, her address would be easy to find.
 
Jammy said:
You can see from the OP that her username was Daney21.

She used the same name on Myspace.

Dana Stillwagon (Dom's Mom) on Myspace

There we can find this:

Her full name is Dana Stillwagon.

Status: Married
Here for: Friends
Orientation: Straight
Zodiac Sign: Scorpio
Children: Proud parent
Smoke / Drink: No / No
Education: College graduate
Occupation: Lab Technician

He brother was born on November 17, 1987 in Tampa, Florida and was put up for adoption. She never met him.

Her gmail address is daney21@gmail.com

From this information, we can find her facebook profile:

Dana Stillwagon | Facebook

Her maiden name is "Bartimus".

That was 15 minutes of research from one person. All based on information she had put on the internet. It is not private whatsoever.

I'm sure with more people and more time, her address would be easy to find.
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I didn't say it wasn't easy to find, I said posting it was irresponsible, and should be considered criminal harassment.
 
Jammy said:
But she was the one who posted it. Compiling public information is not criminal.
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So, if I compile public information and in doing so reveal your social security number... that's not criminal?

Your last four is on millions of documents, and many places it isn't redacted as it should be.

Taking your year and place of birth, I can determine the REST of your SSN, and publish your name and SSN online.

It's all public information... that's not criminal. Right?

If you have a daughter, and I read her facebook page, and then post her daily routine, including the route she walks to and from school, what time she's home, what time her parents get home, and how long she's home alone...

That's just compiling public information right... nothing illegal or negligent about that, right?

Anything that you know can put someone in danger (or even should have known), and you post it online makes you responsible for how that information is used. Even if it's publicly available information. They have to go find it themselves.
 
byteware said:
So, if I compile public information and in doing so reveal your social security number... that's not criminal?

Your last four is on millions of documents, and many places it isn't redacted as it should be.

Taking your year and place of birth, I can determine the REST of your SSN, and publish your name and SSN online.

It's all public information... that's not criminal. Right?
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I'm not from the US, and therefore don't have a social security number. If it is that easy to work out(which, as it would seem, it is), then there is a flaw in the system.

byteware said:
If you have a daughter, and I read her facebook page, and then post her daily routine, including the route she walks to and from school, what time she's home, what time her parents get home, and how long she's home alone...

That's just compiling public information right... nothing illegal or negligent about that, right?
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Well, if my daughter was stupid enough to post her entire daily routine on a Facebook profile with no privacy enabled, then yes, you can do that.
 
jamor said:
How?

If you are correct and it's that easy - I'd like to know for future safety.
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Many municipalities have been lax in redacting SSN's from publicly accessible documents.

For example.

Social Security numbers exposed on Iowa land-records Web site - Computerworld

If you can obtain the last four of someone's social security number, the place and year of birth, you can determine their full SSN with a very high degree of accuracy.

New algorithm guesses SSNs using date and place of birth

The rest is just a matter of statistics. Using the Death Match Database provided by the government.

So... from this publicly available information, you think it's ok for me to post your SSN?

Since I can work it out from publicly available information?


Just because you can work something out from publicly available information, doesn't mean that posting it relieves you from responsibility for the consequences of posting it online.
 
Jammy said:
Well, if my daughter was stupid enough to post her entire daily routine on a Facebook profile with no privacy enabled, then yes, you can do that.
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You don't have to actually post the information.

Even if you don't post the city where you live, some of your friends will likely post the city where THEY live.

Beyond that, there is cheer leader outfits, sports teams, statements you make, and pictures you take throughout the day...

All these things can be put together to determine your daughters daily routine, and then post that online...

It's all publicly available information... right. So there is absolutely nothing wrong with me posting it online... right?
 
Anyone who would actually want to find it could.. the person that posted her info just saved others 15-45 mins.. nothing criminal about that.
 
byteware said:
You don't have to actually post the information.

Even if you don't post the city where you live, some of your friends will likely post the city where THEY live.

Beyond that, there is cheer leader outfits, sports teams, statements you make, and pictures you take throughout the day...

All these things can be put together to determine your daughters daily routine, and then post that online...

It's all publicly available information... right. So there is absolutely nothing wrong with me posting it online... right?
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You said, "including the route she walks to and from school, what time she's home, what time her parents get home, and how long she's home alone..."

I doubt you could find that from Facebook.

Note: I likely won't have access to internet until the 28th, will reply then.
 
VegasOnAcid said:
Anyone who would actually want to find it could.. the person that posted her info just saved others 15-45 mins.. nothing criminal about that.
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If you post something, and knowing full well (or should know) that it could put someone in danger then you are responsible for the outcome.

Period.

Whether it just saved them 15-45 mins of work or not...

Hence, if I post your social security number, and home address.. then I am responsible for your identity being stolen.

It doesn't matter if it's easy to determine and post, I am responsible for how the information I present is used.

Man, whatever happened to personal responsibility.
 
Jammy said:
You said, "including the route she walks to and from school, what time she's home, what time her parents get home, and how long she's home alone..."

I doubt you could find that from Facebook.

Note: I likely won't have access to internet until the 28th, will reply then.
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There was an article about a year ago that detailed exactly what all you COULD get from facebook.

Cheerleader uniforms was an example they gave. Pictures of girls (or boys I guess) in cheerleader uniforms can identify which city they live in and what school they attend.

After that, you can piece together information from their posts... just got home, now I'm doing homework yuck... date and time stamp.

Parents are home from work... nagging :(

Pictures taken on the way home with friends.

Your average teenage girl's facebook page... you can create a map of her entire routine from her posts, and the posts of her friends.

Even if she doesn't have her location in her profile, I can guarantee you at least one of her friends does.

Pool all that information, and there is very little to be known that you can't get from her facebook account...


It's not all meant to be out there, but every little piece of information paints a MUCH bigger picture.
 
I still don't agree with you in anyway. If her information is listed anywhere on the world publicly and I compile and post it in another part of the world then I am just as responsible as any of the other information holders -- NOT RESPONSIBLE. This is not criminally harassing as I have not harassed the lady personally. If someone chooses to do so from my information they are personally held responsible. If I go about receiving her information in an illegal manner then yes, I have committed a crime and should pay. What you suggesting is that every detective in the world is committing a crime against humanity at this point.

To bring out the 'What ifs' and SS information is null and void. The poster has not committed any criminal activity and will pay no fine. It's the individuals own responsibility to keep her life private.
 
byteware said:
If you have a daughter, and I read her facebook page, and then post her daily routine, including the route she walks to and from school, what time she's home, what time her parents get home, and how long she's home alone...

That's just compiling public information right... nothing illegal or negligent about that, right?
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Well then I suppose you're right, there wouldn't be anything 'criminal' in the examply you gave per se... but I must say, only a creep would think up such a scenario. And since a lot of creeps wind up becoming criminals later on in life, then I suppose we can deduce that one day....... YOU'LL DO SOMETHING CRIMINAL!!! I know what you're wondering right now, "how in the heck-fire did he know"? Well it's all very simple you see, I just used the ol 'Monty Python genius detective' method...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr8DIg3oHFI
 
SaleenFiend said:
I still don't agree with you in anyway. If her information is listed anywhere on the world publicly and I compile and post it in another part of the world then I am just as responsible as any of the other information holders -- NOT RESPONSIBLE. This is not criminally harassing as I have not harassed the lady personally. If someone chooses to do so from my information they are personally held responsible. If I go about receiving her information in an illegal manner then yes, I have committed a crime and should pay. What you suggesting is that every detective in the world is committing a crime against humanity at this point.

To bring out the 'What ifs' and SS information is null and void. The poster has not committed any criminal activity and will pay no fine. It's the individuals own responsibility to keep her life private.
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As long as you agree that doing the same thing with YOUR information is just as fine.

The example that I gave was your social security number. If I post your social security number, date of birth, mother's maiden name, city of birth, and assorted other information, I am not responsible for anything that happens because of it, because it was all obtained from public sources.
 
byteware said:
As long as you agree that doing the same thing with YOUR information is just as fine.

The example that I gave was your social security number. If I post your social security number, date of birth, mother's maiden name, city of birth, and assorted other information, I am not responsible for anything that happens because of it, because it was all obtained from public sources.
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I completely agree. Feel free to post away becuase you would not have actually committed a crime unless you use my SS# in an illegal manner.
 
NYCHitman1 said:
Thx for hijacking my thread. If I wanted to argue/debate about criminal shit, I'd go in the politics section.
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You wanted to discuss the responses... correct? I think they make the person criminally negligent.

That's my response.

Others disagree, hence a discussion.

I wasn't aware that you only wanted us to post, if we agreed with your response to it... next time I'll keep that in mind.
 
byteware said:
You wanted to discuss the responses... correct? I think they make the person criminally negligent.

That's my response.

Others disagree, hence a discussion.

I wasn't aware that you only wanted us to post, if we agreed with your response to it... next time I'll keep that in mind.
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No, it's the same as all the other threads you participate in. Everyone has said their input on the matter but you continue on trying to somehow force us to see your p.o.v.
 
byteware said:
Your last four is on millions of documents, and many places it isn't redacted as it should be.
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I think it is more criminal than anything else to be careless with someone else's private information..

Shouldn't the places that are careless with such vital information beheld accountable?


And I hate to be a dick.

But, facebook exist so that you can tell other people about your life.

Don't like that fact? get rid of FB.
 
Snow_Fox said:
I think it is more criminal than anything else to be careless with someone else's private information..

Shouldn't the places that are careless with such vital information beheld accountable?


And I hate to be a dick.

But, facebook exist so that you can tell other people about your life.

Don't like that fact? get rid of FB.
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lol when will you people learn the real world... This is why I never owned Facebook, Myspace and other BS social networks as they are just haven for data mining which is what Google is doing ATM. But that is another subject of its own not anyways related to this thread but that is what you should be concerned about.

These days you have NO privacy and the BS TOS agrement you sign good luck comprehending it as it means NOTHING when they say they are not sharing your data they mean with 3rd party vendor. But in legal correct way they all have diff handbook for agencies which outlines how your data will be handed out without subpoena. I am not getting in to that as I am blacklisted.
 
Snow_Fox said:
I think it is more criminal than anything else to be careless with someone else's private information..

Shouldn't the places that are careless with such vital information beheld accountable?
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I completely agree, to an extent. Let it leave your building, and it gets left on a bus... the company should face criminal charges.

Get hacked by professional hackers through a security flaw... and I'm not sure.


Snow_Fox said:
And I hate to be a dick.

But, facebook exist so that you can tell other people about your life.

Don't like that fact? get rid of FB.
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True, but she didn't connect the two.
 
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