Father Guido
Android Enthusiast
Thanks, I am just being lazy. Too tired and need to be at work in 5 hours. Fml....
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Windows 10, Yay or Nay?
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Thanks, I am just being lazy. Too tired and need to be at work in 5 hours. Fml....
I'm thinking that this will be my last build. Getting pretty old
http://www.alz.org/we_can_help_stay_mentally_active.asp
This is motivation for me. The health of the mind directly correlates to the health of the body, In my opinion.
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Kind of jumped right in the deep end.
Not to keen on removing Windows.
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If you are setting up for dualboot then you need to WIPE/Format the whole HDD blank after you get a copy of your activation code, not just shrink the Windows partitions. You'll have to use Gparted from the Linux Live boot disk to do that. Don't worry, Win10 will reactivate itself upon fresh installation. This is the only way I know how to successfully dualboot Win10 at this time. Don't forget to go into uefi (hold the Select button when telling the PC to reboot from Start menu) & uncheck the Fastboot option to allow booting from a "Live Boot" USB/DVDView attachment 105941
How am I doing so far?
Kind of jumped right in the deep end.
Not to keen on removing Windows.
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That makes me nervous, I completely believe you. At least 5 online tutorials mention nothing about that. Do they get paid to mislead? None have worked. Havent even been able to get into live mode yet. Getting frustrated, I'm outta my league.
Plan B: Install Mint OVER Win10. Got an extra ASUS X450ac, 300gb only 4gb RAM. Once I am more comfortable with it, maybe dual boot HP and sell ASUS as planned.
Installation over Win10 is same as wiping first.. But that's up to you. Get ur PC to Live boot first or you'll not likely install anything to begin with. There are a few strange locks/switches that need be done first to allow things of that nature. But for those tutorials: MS changed the design of the system so that ppl couldn't shrink the partitions enough to allow enough room for another OS.. So the tutorials were made prior to the multiple partitions you see now. MS is getting dirtier and now trying to put special lock chips in PC's to prevent any OS except Windows from operating on it
Dngrsone
Android Expert
One can dual-boot without wiping the whole drive.
I think maybe bchrichster is liking for a smoother installation.
The big problem you will have is Windows and Linux competing over control of the boot... Depending on your computer manufacturer and their nefarious deals with Microsoft, once you install the second OS, you may end up with Win booting up and pretending no other oppressing system exists, or grub as a bootloader which may or may not show a Windows option.
I am hoping you get a good install in the first try, but if one or the other OS does not show as an option, it's just a little extra you have to do to get things to work the way you want them to.
I think maybe bchrichster is liking for a smoother installation.
The big problem you will have is Windows and Linux competing over control of the boot... Depending on your computer manufacturer and their nefarious deals with Microsoft, once you install the second OS, you may end up with Win booting up and pretending no other oppressing system exists, or grub as a bootloader which may or may not show a Windows option.
I am hoping you get a good install in the first try, but if one or the other OS does not show as an option, it's just a little extra you have to do to get things to work the way you want them to.
Father Guido
Android Enthusiast
The easiest method to dual boot by far is to use a secondary disk. Not particularly easy for many laptops, but great on a desktop. I've removed the optical drive from my primary laptop and installed a 1tb spinner in it's place. I just hit F12 during boot and select the OS/disk I want to boot. You can partition the larger disk to share your data across both. Linux can r/w NTFS just fine, but if you use ext4 as the share ya need a driver for Windows to access it. Both ways work well.
Edit : You need to FULLY shutdown windows to a cold boot state for the boot options. I made a shortcut to do this and posted it a few pages ago.
Edit : You need to FULLY shutdown windows to a cold boot state for the boot options. I made a shortcut to do this and posted it a few pages ago.
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No, I'm being dead serious. The new Win10 installations have multiple partitions for data & System alone.. plus the bootloader crap. Wipe the whole thing unless you only have a "C" drive. The newer Win10 has a "C" & "D" drive, so if you reduce the partitions they'll just be in odd places since they contain files needed to function
Dngrsone
Android Expert
Yes, there are a handful of partitions: main Windows, separate boot partition, recovery partition, perhaps a restore partition, plus I broke out a data partition for shared data and every Linux I install has two: a home and a root, plus of course swap.
Great thing about GPT is that you can have a multitude of partitions, unlike the four primary partition limit of the old scheme.
I don't see a problem, but then that is because I've been manipulating volumes for ages... Is it just confusing for you?
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Just stupidly tedious nowadays.. [emoji41]
My ASUS showed a data partition after upgrade. My HP however did not, D: was recovery, C: had 900 GB of free space. I'm going to do this, eventually. The consensus of my research so far has revealed that there is no consensus. 
If you erase that "D" partition you'll brick ur Win-OS. It's all about what you wanna do tho, but don't forget that you'll also need a full installation disk/USB to reinstall Win10 if you do a full wipe for dualboot. Not scary once you've unlocked the uefi to not need to hold Select when clicking reboot, and allow USB installations. Just cover all your bases before you hit go..
- Installable Linux OS (Disk/USB)
- Installable Win10 OS (Disk/USB)
- All Win10 drivers for your PC on hand (Disk/USB)
- Installable Linux OS (Disk/USB)
- Installable Win10 OS (Disk/USB)
- All Win10 drivers for your PC on hand (Disk/USB)
Father Guido
Android Enthusiast
I'll just say this: IF you need to use Windows, either 'Never10" your Win7 installation (and/or never use it on the internet), OR use the LTSB version of 10 (supported for 10 years) and tweak it to hell & back. Seems to me (without digging REALLY deep), that Mint is best for M$ converts. I highly suggest one to subscribe/read up on this at MDLF for the straight dope (and MUCH more).
Apparently "information" is the new currency. Why else would M$ spend $26.2 billion for LinkedIn? Some time ago the only means to be truly private was to cut the cord. Now you need to drive a hammer into your cell phone as well.
Be alert, we need more lerts
Apparently "information" is the new currency. Why else would M$ spend $26.2 billion for LinkedIn? Some time ago the only means to be truly private was to cut the cord. Now you need to drive a hammer into your cell phone as well.
Be alert, we need more lerts
With Windows and Linux, it's "whatever works".
I bought myself an el-cheapo Dell laptop last year for ~$200. It came with Win8.1 so I upgraded it to 10 and then swapped the torturously slow mechanical drive for a 250 GB SSD (on sale at Amazon for ~$60
) Switched to legacy BIOS and installed Win 10 and Mint 17. Here's a look at the partitions both from Winders and gParted.This is different than the recovery drive I made? In my experience, simply creating a backup doesn't mean that it will work.
It needs to be tested.
Aha, this seems to be the key to the Crystal Palace, with every OEM being different there is also no definitive answer.
This is similar to installing a ROM on a device with a locked bootloader in Android. What works for some does not work for others. If you screw up, back to the drawing board, or worse. See post #821.
I appreciate greatly all the support. becoming aquainted with Linux OS has been at the top of my list for sometime. 1 year ago I was drilling holes in the ground, heavy equipment operator. My phone was for making phone calls and finding parts on the fly. I have commited myself to changing all of that. It took 2 months of research b4 I rooted and another month to install a custom ROM. My knowledge of the Android OS has grown exponetially. I am no where near as comfortable with Windows. Somehow though, I feel that Linux will be more to my liking, it's just the getting there.
See, I assumed this could be remedied by simply rearranging the boot order..........we all know what happens when we assume.
Yes, thats where my ASUS comes in, 2 laptops. 1 windows, 1 linux. Until I'm comfortable.Buy yourself a cheap hard drive and then have at it. If it goes kerflooey, then just pop the original drive back in the box and you're no worse for wear.
Apparently "information" is the new currency. Why else would M$ spend $26.2 billion for LinkedIn? Some time ago the only means to be truly private was to cut the cord. Now you need to drive a hammer into your cell phone as well.
Be alert, we need more lerts
I've been thinking this for a bit. It's the new "Gold Rush" only it's Data instead.......and no Brothels....
Dngrsone
Android Expert
This.Buy yourself a cheap hard drive and then have at it. If it goes kerflooey, then just pop the original drive back in the box and you're no worse for wear.
I tend to upgrade my laptop drive whenever I see a good deal (and have some discretionary cash), so I clone the old drive to the new one, and that old drive is my backup when I break things...
With 4GB RAM, you can only sign zips up to 840MB.. FYI that's a reason I'm running 16GB..