Windows 10, Yay or Nay?

[jefboyardee]

I was eager too, now beleaguered. Some Android desktop is going to convince me to abandon Monkeysnot someday.

 

[Soapm]

I right-clicked to see the actual file and it's called 'ntoskrnl.' Someone can enlighten me on that? I can see what it stands for but don't know why it's gotten so important.

It's the kernel... NT Operating System Kernel

 

[jefboyardee]

That I kinda sorta knew, but it doesn't even appear, or if it does it's tiny on my Win7 taskmgr.

 

[AMOCO]

I been doing a lot of research trying to find the path to the original control panel(Like in Windows 7),I still can't find a way to get there via OS.
But I had this installed before I installed Windows 10,And it comes with an icon to get to the original control panel:
http://rocketdock.com/
I use this on all my computers.

 

[codesplice]

I been doing a lot of research trying to find the path to the original control panel(Like in Windows 7),I still can't find a way to get there via OS.
But I had this installed before I installed Windows 10,And it comes with an icon to get to the original control panel:
http://rocketdock.com/
I use this on all my computers.
View attachment 92469

Windows Key + X -> Control Panel doesn't work?

 

[Crashdamage]

Windows Key + X -> Control Panel doesn't work?

Yes, it still works in Windows 10.
Once you turn off the tiles, all the privacy stuff and just simplify Win10, it really looks and feels like an updated Win7. I have to admit, as Windows OS versions go, I really kinda like it.

 

[Xyro]

I been doing a lot of research trying to find the path to the original control panel(Like in Windows 7),I still can't find a way to get there via OS.
But I had this installed before I installed Windows 10,And it comes with an icon to get to the original control panel:
http://rocketdock.com/
I use this on all my computers.
View attachment 92469

Do you mean the actual path? It's C:/Windows/System32/control.exe

 

[jefboyardee]

Once you turn off the tiles, all the privacy stuff and just simplify Win10, it really looks and feels like an updated Win7.

So what did they accomplish?

I have to admit, as Windows OS versions go, I really kinda like it.

I tried W10 and went back to 7 about five times. Probably will again to try and see what the praise is about. Then I won't see it, shrug and go back to 7.

 

[Deleted User]

I have Windows 7 HP on my MacBook Pro, via BootCamp. I was told that because my Mac is mid-2010, i can't put Windows 10 on it. Something about the BootCamp upgrade that i would have to use. If my next laptop is a PC, it's a done deal. If it's a Mac, then i'll just download my Windows 7 again. No big deal.

 

[Crashdamage]

So what did they accomplish? (with Win10)

They accomplished a decent update and polishing of Win7 that actually installed correctly and with minimal effort. No small feat for any desktop OS, especially Windows. I just made sure I had the latest version of all installed software and did some homework to confirm everything should work before actually updating.

Ya gotta disable the spy stuff and it no doubt still does some nefarious activity, but Windows always has, nothing new about that. All in all I can tolerate Win10, which is about the highest praise I can give anything from Microsoft.

 

[jefboyardee]

They accomplished a decent update and polishing of Win7 that actually installed correctly and with minimal effort.

Yes, although I was nonplussed by the update itself, that it was accomplished by seamlessly rebuilding my existing Win7HP setup was astounding.

 

[jefboyardee]

As this thread on Microsoft's most exciting new operating system fades away, I'll add that not only is there no excitement here, there doesn't seem to be any at the other, more dedicated sites either. What little excitement we did see appears to have been fabricated in a desperate attempt to put Microsoft back in the the front of the pack. It's not working. Windows 10 offers no groundbreaking advancements from Windows 7 or 8, and as I've come to see it, the only reason I might update (again) permanently is to stay under the support umbrella. I think Microsoft, having really blown it with 8.x and then really blowing it again with 10, is losing three decades of desktop PC dominance, handing the crown to Apple, Android, Linux, whoever wants it... really sad.

 

[Crashdamage]

Well, I'll add s last bit...

IMHO Win10 isn't a failure, it's actually a pretty fair improvement on Win 7. But that's all it is, jefboyardee is right about that.

So Win 10 is no game-changer. But that's where all OS are at, especially desktop OS. OSX, Linux, Windows - they're all just releasing new versions that are incremental improvements to the previous version. The desktop OS has become a nearly mature thing.

No one seems to know what to do next. Integration with mobile computing keeps being kicked around, but no one is doing much about it. Just some lame attempts to enable touch screens on desktop computers (yeah, I wanna get fingerprints all over my monitor.) Ignoring the fact that a keyboard and mouse works awfully well.

And weak efforts to try and start desktop software markets like we have for mobile software.

Microsoft is getting cracks in the Windows wall around their garden, yes. Windows Phone has failed miserably and the general public is becoming aware that it's possible for their phone or computer to run on something besides Windows. Some are even getting comfortable with that fact.

But the need for almost everyone to run Windows software, for both business and private use, ensures that Windows will be around for many, many years to come. Windows is so thoroughly entrenched in everything except mobile devices that we may not get rid of it in this century. I mean that literally.

I moved away from Windows to Linux for home use in 2001. But to this day, Windows is a must-have for both my business and my wife's business. And there's no end in sight.

So, better get used to Win 10, and Win 11 and Win 25 and on and on. Because no matter how badly Microsoft screws up, Windows is too important to die.

 

[jefboyardee]

You are certainly right about the Windows stronghold on business; too big to fail and all that. I was referring, without specifying it, to home users, the you's and me's of computing. I, for one, am considering switching everything to something else, a radical statement from someone stuck on Windows since 1992. But, as you mentioned, all the something elses are saturated too.

 

[Crashdamage]

Do it! Make the change away from Windows! I've never regretted trashing Windows at home. If nothing else, you'll have some fun learning some new stuff and have a much more secure computer. I'm a Linux guy so you know what I suggest. There's also the cost of Apple equipment to consider.

Here's a link to a post I wrote up about a moment of clarity I had, the moment I made the Linux decision.

http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=4377040

 

[jefboyardee]

I've had up to five Linux distro partitions available simultaneously but always felt that Win7 was home. Now I just have Linux Mint on a flash drive partition and poke around from time to time. I'm more interested in something like an HP Slate 21 as a desktop but I really don't see much energy for it since its release a couple years ago. And I almost know, despite what I've been saying here, I'll wind up switching to Win10 for good someday...

 

[jefboyardee]

Then again...

Windows 10 is now installed on 75 million PCs after just four weeks

Microsoft released Windows 10 four weeks ago today, and now the company is providing a fresh update on its upgrade figures. 14 million machines had been upgraded to Windows 10 within 24 hours of the operating system release last month, and that figure has now risen to more than 75 million in just four weeks.​

 

[Slug]

Windows 10 offers no groundbreaking advancements from Windows 7 or 8 [...]

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Windows is an OS; its job is (or should be) to enable users to "do stuff". I don't want ground-breaking advancements... I want stability and the continued ability to use the programs I rely on. Until I need Win10 for a particular reason, and certainly until I'm 100% confident that the likes of Lightroom remain reliable on it, I'll be sticking with Win7. It's still running perfectly in its original installation from July 2009, I know it inside-out, and everything I use works perfectly.

 

[Unforgiven]

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Windows is an OS; its job is (or should be) to enable users to "do stuff". I don't want ground-breaking advancements... I want stability and the continued ability to use the programs I rely on.

^^^qft

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Windows is an OS; its job is (or should be) to enable users to "do stuff". I don't want ground-breaking advancements... I want stability and the continued ability to use the programs I rely on.

quoted again for emphasis

 

[jefboyardee]

Spoze yer right, Win10 was never intended to change the world, because all the changes worth making have already been made. The OS universe has matured and I haven't, expecting something astounding like Win 3.1 or XP again. And besides, Win10 is free, ferkrissakes...

 

[jefboyardee]

Okay, I have question for you dualbooters:

~~~~~ created a new thread for that

 

[jefboyardee]

Grim forecast for computer, tablet sales takes a turn for the worse

A glut of inventory, Microsoft's offer for free upgrades to Windows 10 and an overall stagnant market combine for a projected decline in sales.​

 

[bjacks12]

For any curious, they haven't changed the BSOD design for Windows 10.

 

[Unforgiven]

For any curious, they haven't changed the BSOD design for Windows 10.

No point reengineering what works. It's General Protections fault.

 

[jefboyardee]

they haven't changed the BSOD design for Windows 10.

That apparently hasn't been true in my case, but I may try again pretty soon.