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Looks Like I'll Be Ditching My Epic For Now Anyway...

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Sedan_Clan said:
With all of the GPS problems being mentioned, I tried the GPS on my phone. Everything seemed to work fine with the driving directions via GPS. Are there any other tests that I should run?


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I fully agree. I have experienced no problems with my GPS as of yet. It's gotten me from point A to point B. Every once in a while i'll get a 'GPS Signal Lost' but it comes back shortly after.

The only 2 things 2.2 has that I want is the flash support and the pin lock. I've seen so many posts about 'supposed' release dates and many of those days have came and gone. So i'm not pushing the issue, when FroYo comes, i'll be happy, but until that time arrives, i'm more than satisfied with 2.1 and LauncherPro.
 
Sedan_Clan said:
With all of the GPS problems being mentioned, I tried the GPS on my phone. Everything seemed to work fine with the driving directions via GPS. Are there any other tests that I should run?


  • Sprint Navigation (..check!)
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I agree. I think 95% of these "OMG GPS IS BORKEN" posts/replies are people just parroting things they've heard and read (much like all of these 2.2 release date posts). There IS a documented GPS bug, but that bug is only seen in very specific circumstances that will affect a tiny, tiny percentage of use cases. The other 99.99% of users would never even know it existed, and therefore becomes low on the priority list for bug fixes.

Both Sprint and Samsung have never actually set a release date other than the end of the year for the Galaxy S line. The fact of the matter is that they've been releasing 2.2 updates to their Galaxy S line for about a month now, they just haven't made it down to the one truly unique carrier/hardware combination yet. Everyone needs to calm down and carry on with their lives (and also stop thinking that a bunch of other internet nerds care if they're keeping their phone or not).
 
With all due respect, Pastafarian, you're railing at Aero1 as if he'd justifed Samsung's GPS issue when all he addressed was the FroYo update. It really isn't fair to put words in someone's mouth and then trash them for things they didn't say.

The irony is that no one's done more to expose and explore the GPS issue than the guy you just attacked.
 
Many of you insist that 2.2 will only bring a few minor features to the interface, but aren't we missing the fact that 2.2 is supposed to bring a major increase in performance? Tests on the Nexus One going from 2.1 to 2.2 show it nearly doubling in speed. Wouldn't this be the case with the Epic, as well?
 
SamXp said:
Many of you insist that 2.2 will only bring a few minor features to the interface, but aren't we missing the fact that 2.2 is supposed to bring a major increase in performance? Tests on the Nexus One going from 2.1 to 2.2 show it nearly doubling in speed. Wouldn't this be the case with the Epic, as well?
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The benchmark numbers for the Evo jumped significantly from 2.1 to 2.2. However, the Evo did not magically run 2x faster. If anything, there was not much visible improvement in speed. Froyo on the Evo was way overhyped. It did cause a lot of initial problems, where the only solution was to factory reset and reinstall apps and settings manually. The most popular thread over in the Evo section for the longest time was named "How to fix Froyo."

I know a lot of Epic users are really eager to see 2.2, as were a lot of Evo users. But in the end, it wasn't a huge change for the better. Some features are definitely a plus if they matter to you. But overall, most people agree it was overhyped. Especially the benchmark to actual performance improvements.
 
Flaspeneer said:
With all due respect, Pastafarian, you're railing at Aero1 as if he'd justifed Samsung's GPS issue when all he addressed was the FroYo update. It really isn't fair to put words in someone's mouth and then trash them for things they didn't say.

The irony is that no one's done more to expose and explore the GPS issue than the guy you just attacked.
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With all due respect, I didn't "rail" at anyone. I asked a question.

With all due respect, I followed the question with my own observation and opinion leaving a separation between two to make obvious the somewhat different subjects.

And finally

With all due respect (and notice the separation^^^?). I'm guessing here, but I think Aero1 would prefer to fight his/her own battles (if one existed, which it doesn't). I know I would!
 
SamXp said:
Many of you insist that 2.2 will only bring a few minor features to the interface, but aren't we missing the fact that 2.2 is supposed to bring a major increase in performance? Tests on the Nexus One going from 2.1 to 2.2 show it nearly doubling in speed. Wouldn't this be the case with the Epic, as well?
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In real world obsevations, the performance increases that 2.2 was rumored to bring haven't really been as earth shaking as the pre release hype made it seem. I haven't seen anyone posting major increases from the GalaxyS phones that have already received 2.2. It's still worthwhile and I want it for our Epic, but don't expect it to be life changing. The Epic is pretty darn fast already!
 
novox77 said:
It did cause a lot of initial problems, where the only solution was to factory reset and reinstall apps and settings manually. The most popular thread over in the Evo section for the longest time was named "How to fix Froyo."
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I brought this exact issue up in another thread and some people had no clue what I was talking about. When FroYo was released for the EVO there were more problems than a little bit. When I was working for Sprint, the calls came rolling in with people having issue after issue after installing the update, and just like you said, we had to have them reset the phone and start from scratch. I think thats part of the reason they're holding off on 2.2 for our Epic's. (thats also what my Floor Manager told me at the time I asked her). If that is the case then i'm glad they're holding the release because I dont want to install anything that'll cause my phone to act a fool.
 
Seddy said:
I brought this exact issue up in another thread and some people had no clue what I was talking about. When FroYo was released for the EVO there were more problems than a little bit. When I was working for Sprint, the calls came rolling in with people having issue after issue after installing the update, and just like you said, we had to have them reset the phone and start from scratch. I think thats part of the reason they're holding off on 2.2 for our Epic's. (thats also what my Floor Manager told me at the time I asked her). If that is the case then i'm glad they're holding the release because I dont want to install anything that'll cause my phone to act a fool.
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Good points!
 
I do not have the epic, but have played with it, and the screen is amazing, blows away the evo in that aspect, however what concerns me is froyo, I feel if I got the epic now, froyo might not be released until early next year, and by then 2.3 will be out, so its a tough sell, although I believe it is one of the best phones on the market, what do you think? worth it to get the epic now and get rid of the evo, or hold off until the 2nd gen devices come out early next year
 
hmm have u tried the dolphin browser for the flash? i dont know exactly what i need flash for cuz i havent had any problems with pages saying they need it but i was told this browser works with flash so i started using it as soon as i got my epic about 2 weeks ago.. and i had the moment previous to this and yes the navigation never worked, not even google nav.. i love that my epic works both these apps. havent had a single problem with the sprint nav since i got it. working in retail sales of these phones, i havent heard of any complaints yet of the sprint nav on the epic but as with everything there is always that small percentage that do have wierd problems. i wonder if certain other apps may interfere with the nav in some?
 
Samsung promised FroYo by the end of 2010, so I'll switch over on 1/1/2011.

Actually, this phone is great, even on 2.1 (I have Flash on it).
I installed a Flash 10.1 .apk; so if you're concerned that the current FroYo leaks are too buggy, you can install full Flash 10.1 on your 2.1 EPIC.

I don't think I'll be switching back to the EVO. Maybe I'll switch if Sprint comes out with a new 4G Android running FroYo before the EPIC upgrades to it, but I'm not going back to the EVO.
 
novox77 said:
The benchmark numbers for the Evo jumped significantly from 2.1 to 2.2. However, the Evo did not magically run 2x faster. If anything, there was not much visible improvement in speed. Froyo on the Evo was way overhyped. It did cause a lot of initial problems, where the only solution was to factory reset and reinstall apps and settings manually. The most popular thread over in the Evo section for the longest time was named "How to fix Froyo."

I know a lot of Epic users are really eager to see 2.2, as were a lot of Evo users. But in the end, it wasn't a huge change for the better. Some features are definitely a plus if they matter to you. But overall, most people agree it was overhyped. Especially the benchmark to actual performance improvements.
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I realize benchmarks aren't necessarily going to translate into a commensurate noted improvement in day-to-day usage, but it's still a significant improvement that Samsung has left on the table for a long time. The 2.1 platform is over a year old now, which is archaic in terms of a rapidly developing platform such as Android. If Samsung wants to compete on this level, they need to be a lot more responsive with these updates.
 
A litany of doesn't make a rhetorician, nor ad hominem an impassioned poet. Your insinuation that support is a form of weakness suggests you have no respect to offer and none due. You didn't "ask a question," you made an obnoxious assertion and added a buttock-shaped punctuation mark in an attempt to avoid getting reamed.

Due respect? If you were interested in that, you wouldn't waste a rhetorical technique from Julius Caesar on callow sarcasm and hollow self-justification.

pastafarian said:
With all due respect, I didn't "rail" at anyone. I asked a question.

With all due respect, I followed the question with my own observation and opinion leaving a separation between two to make obvious the somewhat different subjects.

And finally

With all due respect (and notice the separation^^^?). I'm guessing here, but I think Aero1 would prefer to fight his/her own battles (if one existed, which it doesn't). I know I would!
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Flaspeneer said:
A litany of drivel doesn't make you a rhetorician, nor does ad hominem barking make you an impassioned poet. You're just another impatient ranter who'd rather shout than read. And your insinuation that equates support with weakness is proof you have no respect to offer and none due. You didn't "ask a question," you made an obnoxious assertion and added a buttock-shaped punctuation mark in an attempt to avoid getting reamed.

Due respect? If you were interested in that, you wouldn't waste a rhetorical technique from Julius Caesar on callow sarcasm and hollow self-justification.
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Boys Boys Boys...Be nice..Don't make me come over and spank you. ;)
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
Samsung promised FroYo by the end of 2010, so I'll switch over on 1/1/2011.

Actually, this phone is great, even on 2.1 (I have Flash on it).
I installed a Flash 10.1 .apk; so if you're concerned that the current FroYo leaks are too buggy, you can install full Flash 10.1 on your 2.1 EPIC.

I don't think I'll be switching back to the EVO. Maybe I'll switch if Sprint comes out with a new 4G Android running FroYo before the EPIC upgrades to it, but I'm not going back to the EVO.
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Where did you download Flash? I'd like to install it on my Epic.
 
As a person who picked up Samsung Moment the day it was released and seen it End-of-life (EOL) in 11 months, I want to put things in perspective.

This time last year, Hero was two months old, Moment was one month old, both with Android 1.5, and Motorola Droid was to be released in Dec with Android 2.0. Into the new year there were a number of threads/polls comparing/rating these phones, and heated arguments by owners rationalizing/promoting their brilliant purchases. Since people were on these forums and not in bars, there was no blood spilt. Such was the vigor and loyalty to their devices. Even amongst Moment owners, things heated up between people who faced problems more frequently than others.

Over the year, customers were eagerly guessing dates for bug fixes and update to Android 2.1. Droid got 2.0.1 update in Feb. while all three were updated to 2.1 by June. In October, Samsung Moment was given one last update and immediately the phone was removed from the market. Now Sprint reluctantly offers Hero or Intercept to customers who complain about Moment. Some users have learned how to deal with the issues, that still keep occurring, while others have upgraded to newer devices.

One year later, as I browse thru these forums there are a number newer phones and history is repeating itself with similar passions.

That being said, Samsung stands out as a manufacturer that does not acknowledge bugs and is slow in releasing fixes or updates. Moment was released with problems that should have been caught in early testing. Made us wonder if Samsung had even tested it and puzzled us as to why Sprint brought it to market. In March, for its first minor update, Moment had to be taken in to Corporate stores, only those with tech centers. This wiped the phone clean, losing all data and had to be completely set up again.

Owners argued Moment being among the first of Samsung's Android phones as the reason for the problems. Today, Samsung has many Android phones on the market. Yet, every Samsung phone seems to have issues, especially with GPS.

Sprint always advertised Hero, and never showed Moment. Now, Sprint shows off Evo and never Epic. Compared to Evo, Epic customers are paying a $50 premium and guessing game for a date for 2.2 update, or better, continues. Although Evo is in short supply, kudos to Samsung/Sprint marketing for pulling off this price.

This is just a summary of my observation. Point is, as I read comments on the forums all devices have some quirks and shortcomings. Use these forums to help each other improve your experience with the phones. And don't forget to click on "Thanks" for helpful postings. Over time you will learn people on these forums are mostly helpful. :D
 
Android XTC said:
So before I call Sprint and have the Epic turned off for my Evo, any new news on the Epic getting 2.2 in the near future??
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Nope, and it probably won't. I'm really, really pissed off that Samsung said OVER and OVER again that the Epic would ship with 2.1 and would SOON get an upgrade to 2.2. It was a FLAT OUT LIE. And I bought it.

Now... I still think it is a great phone and am still glad I'm not using an EVO. Problem is... even though I'm pissed at Samsung, switching phones wouldn't do anything because they already have my damn money.
 
Android XTC said:
So before I call Sprint and have the Epic turned off for my Evo, any new news on the Epic getting 2.2 in the near future??
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Have you rooted and played with the leaks? Perhaps give those a shot, they have/are looking promising.

But in answer to your question, no, I haven't heard any concrete news about the ETA of Froyo.
 
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