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***Official Samsung Fascinate 2.2 Speculation Thread***

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This will be my last Samsung phone. Like the phone, but this is ridiculous. I mean the Froyo debate has been going on since before the phone even came out. If they do release Froyo for it, but the time they do it will be pointless. Hopefully they just surprise and skip Froyo for Gingerbread or something, if the thing is ever updated at all.

Was their flagship phone and yet still no OS update.
 
^yeah I will probably be moving on to a different android device next time. But for what this phone is currently, it does enough for me to keep for at least a year.
 
This will be my last Samsung phone. Like the phone, but this is ridiculous. I mean the Froyo debate has been going on since before the phone even came out. If they do release Froyo for it, but the time they do it will be pointless. Hopefully they just surprise and skip Froyo for Gingerbread or something, if the thing is ever updated at all.

Was their flagship phone and yet still no OS update.

I'm in agreement on the "..pointless.." aspect of 2.2 for this device, but for different reasons. ;)

I think I'm beginning to feel the same way about Samsung, though. Not sure yet. I remember these things being said about HTC in the Eris forums last Spring and beyond as some Eris users awaited 2.1.

I was reading about the Samsung company recently. They are huge, and hand held devices are not even close to being their main source of revenue flow, the total of which is about 175 billion dollars annually.

They make enormous excavating equipment, food processing apparatus and hundreds of other products shipped world wide. And speaking of ships, the make those too!

The are literally the largest company on Earth, when it comes to their money flow.

And we're waiting for a software update to one of their cell phones?

LOL. ;)
 
When it comes to an enormous company like that it's really not one company. They have various divisions, each which operates completely independently of the others. The consumer/mobile division doesn't report into the marine division. All the divisions just report to a common "overlord" CEO/CFO/COO structure.

How do I know? I work for a massive company. (not samsung!)
 
Oh I know about the divisions, etc. My point is more of priorities for their customers. Those assets and profits go to Samsung, in the end. We're paying into that multi-billion dollar revenue flow when we purchased our Fascinates.

They're successful, but one other peripheral point in all this is what I call the "Notre Dame Syndrome." That university's football team has not achieved anything near its glory days of the past, despite being one of the richest programs in the NCAA. Rich because of the fact that its "parent company" is the Catholic Church, which supports that school outright and in many other ways.

If football is one of the bought and paid for products of Notre Dame University, then it's running at a loss, analogically speaking.

Samsung cell phones may be similar to Notre Dame's football program; a mediocre product supported by a huge revenue magnet. I doubt if the cell phone arm of Samsung is running at a loss; they are successfully maintaining a nitch in the market place, but expected updates/customer satisfaction can take huge hits and not be noticed by the parent company much.
 
I'm in agreement on the "..pointless.." aspect of 2.2 for this device, but for different reasons. ;)

I think I'm beginning to feel the same way about Samsung, though. Not sure yet. I remember these things being said about HTC in the Eris forums last Spring and beyond as some Eris users awaited 2.1.

I was reading about the Samsung company recently. They are huge, and hand held devices are not even close to being their main source of revenue flow, the total of which is about 175 billion dollars annually.

They make enormous excavating equipment, food processing apparatus and hundreds of other products shipped world wide. And speaking of ships, the make those too!

The are literally the largest company on Earth, when it comes to their money flow.

And we're waiting for a software update to one of their cell phones?

LOL. ;)
How dare us want such an enormous company to support their products and make good on a promise. After all, it was Samsung that said 2.2 will be here "soon". Which they have been saying since the release of the phone. with such a promise, i could only imagine that many ppl fell into the false promise of the 2.2 froyo upgrade and choose to buy the fascinate because....A) they liked the phone PLUS....B) the newest ver of the android OS was promised to be out "anytime". But if told there will be no upgrade coming from the start. How many ppl would have still bought the phone? So ya, how dare we think that samsung should actually support their phones. But thanks for pointing out how large the company is. If i was them. I would be truly be ashamed!!! Here they are, 170 something billion dollar company and they cant do in 8 mos with all there infinite resources. That a respectable dev community can do in just 1 or 2mos. All while in their free time cause you know ppl got to actually work......well unless you work for samsung mobile apparently.

To anybody that is thinking of rooting i say....you aint done it yet??? Stop waiting for a 170something billion dollar company to fulfill there promises and actually do the job you payed them for. Just root, install superclean 2.8 voodoo and a theme if ya want and be done with it. Your phone will run super smooth, stable and glitch free. plus you will have all the benefits of froyo and all while your phone is running at nearly twice the speed.

Lastly, Next time you go to buy a big ticket item like a new phone, tv, home theater system etc.... Just remember how great the support was from Samsung for your phone. Do you really think that spending hundred if not thousands on a different product will produce different results from them? Seriously?
 
I come here daily to check on whether froyo is coming... this thread is only about rooting now. I waiver between wanting to and then my head explodes thinking of the process and I say screw it. I have a Mac. I guess I could use my husbands computer but what if something goes wrong? what if it doesn't work? blah... I have a full time job and really get so frustrated w/ technological screw ups that I think I'd lose it if something went wrong. I guess I'll just wait... with the other "losers" who are too scared to root :-/
 
I come here daily to check on whether froyo is coming... this thread is only about rooting now. I waiver between wanting to and then my head explodes thinking of the process and I say screw it. I have a Mac. I guess I could use my husbands computer but what if something goes wrong? what if it doesn't work? blah... I have a full time job and really get so frustrated w/ technological screw ups that I think I'd lose it if something went wrong. I guess I'll just wait... with the other "losers" who are too scared to root :-/

Your not a "Loser" by any means. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting Samsung to actually fulfill a promise and support their phone. A phone in which is suppose to be their flag ship phone. Which keep in mind. The rest of the world has already got their Galaxy S phone 2.2 froyo upgrade already. Canada was the last country to get it and that was at the end of Dec 2010. The US is the only country not to have gotten the update and its been 2 full mos. Not to mention its rumored that 2.3 is coming soon to other countries or the 2.3 leak of the nexus, which is a galaxy S phone. So...where is our OTA 2.2 update???

Rooting isnt for every body but i will ay this. Im no tech guru or anything even close. Thier are lots of step by step instructions to rooting. Also a great community to help you incase you do mess up something (which you probly wont if ya read everything first). But also, anything you can possibly mess up can be undone. Nothing will be perm. In the end, after rooting and running a custom rom and everything. you want to go back to stock. You always have that option. there is very easy steps to get you back to stock. But again, you or any other non root fascinate user is not a "loser". Samsung should hold their head in shame over all this. Soon most apps from the market will need 2.2 to use full features let alone install.

As far as speculation on 2.2 froyo OTA update.......ill throw my guess in and say,by the end of April. If not by then, i would forget about it altogether. Just remember the exp you had with this Samsung device when you go to buy another big ticket item in which Samsung makes a product for. If Samsung cant provide support to you. Why support them?
 
Your not a "Loser" by any means. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting Samsung to actually fulfill a promise and support their phone. A phone in which is suppose to be their flag ship phone. Which keep in mind. The rest of the world has already got their Galaxy S phone 2.2 froyo upgrade already. Canada was the last country to get it and that was at the end of Dec 2010. The US is the only country not to have gotten the update and its been 2 full mos. Not to mention its rumored that 2.3 is coming soon to other countries or the 2.3 leak of the nexus, which is a galaxy S phone. So...where is our OTA 2.2 update???

Rooting isnt for every body but i will ay this. Im no tech guru or anything even close. Thier are lots of step by step instructions to rooting. Also a great community to help you incase you do mess up something (which you probly wont if ya read everything first). But also, anything you can possibly mess up can be undone. Nothing will be perm. In the end, after rooting and running a custom rom and everything. you want to go back to stock. You always have that option. there is very easy steps to get you back to stock. But again, you or any other non root fascinate user is not a "loser". Samsung should hold their head in shame over all this. Soon most apps from the market will need 2.2 to use full features let alone install.

As far as speculation on 2.2 froyo OTA update.......ill throw my guess in and say,by the end of April. If not by then, i would forget about it altogether. Just remember the exp you had with this Samsung device when you go to buy another big ticket item in which Samsung makes a product for. If Samsung cant provide support to you. Why support them?


To your last Paragraph Im goning to say March 25th, And besides they are prob, just taking extra time due to the problems with implementaion, in fact its prob, a Samsung thing Look the epic theres was pulled back and even the wp7 Samsung phones there having trouble updating as well so yea its better to have an update that works then one that is all buggy runing the exp on your phone.
 
And besides they are prob, just taking extra time due to the problems with implementaion, in fact its prob, a Samsung thing Look the epic theres was pulled back and even the wp7 Samsung phones there having trouble updating as well so yea its better to have an update that works then one that is all buggy runing the exp on your phone.

AMEN to that. All the GSM versions of the Galaxy S phones have had 2.2 for quite some time now. There seems to be some problem with the CDMA updates. I doubt it is even 100% samsung's problem.

Even the EB01 leak has significant bugs, and I'm glad they didn't release it to the masses. Customer satisfaction would take a MUCH larger hit if they release a buggy software update to the world.

To anyone who says EB01 doesn't have bugs go do some reading at XDA. It seems to work Ok on some phones, and horrible on others. YMMV
 
Yes, how dare us, undzis. ;)

On a personal-view note: I am perfectly happy with my choice. The Samsung Fascinate is precisely what I expected it to be as I examined it and compared it to others in the store prior to purchase, having gone looking for it full of review data and user input from this and other forums.

I never, ever purchase a phone with updates in mind. Ever. If a rep had said to me, "..it's a great phone and Froyo is coming to it tomorrow!" I would have said, "keep it," I don't want to buy something that is going to change the day after I buy it, or really in the near future. If there's something missing or messed up or less than functional about it, I will return it for a refund.
 
Your not a "Loser" by any means. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting Samsung to actually fulfill a promise and support their phone. A phone in which is suppose to be their flag ship phone. Which keep in mind. The rest of the world has already got their Galaxy S phone 2.2 froyo upgrade already. Canada was the last country to get it and that was at the end of Dec 2010. The US is the only country not to have gotten the update and its been 2 full mos. Not to mention its rumored that 2.3 is coming soon to other countries or the 2.3 leak of the nexus, which is a galaxy S phone. So...where is our OTA 2.2 update???

I agree. However, there are some members here that will think you have a huge sense of entitlement with that line of thought.
 
I'm still not rooted I'm too scared. I love the phone on 2.1 although I am looking forward to some of the standard enhancements with 2.2. I have to say though besides Blackberry, this is my first Android phone so I didn't have any set expectation I didn't even know about Eclair yet alone Froyo when I bought it.

However, the big complaint I have is my pop3 e-mail. My gmail works perfectly fine but my work e-mail on pop3 has a mind of it's own. What I have read in the threads is this will be fixed with the way Froyo handles pop3. That's the biggie that makes me want to root my phone.

My workaround is I log into the admin panel for my pop3 e-mail and forward it to my g-mail if I know I'm going to be out of the office. This way, I don't miss my e-mail.

Othwise, coming from the BB Storm I love this phone. My BB Storm would freeze up frequently so this was a big step up for the overall reliability of the overall phone but a giant step backwards for the buggy e-mail.

I'm waiting patiently for the OTA update. If I don't have it by the end of March, I'll root it. I'm pretty good at following directions and I understand the community is really helpful.

As far as OTA, I don't even check my phone for updates any more. I'm not checking till 4/1 and then I'm rooting.
 
AMEN to that. All the GSM versions of the Galaxy S phones have had 2.2 for quite some time now. There seems to be some problem with the CDMA updates. I doubt it is even 100% samsung's problem.

Even the EB01 leak has significant bugs, and I'm glad they didn't release it to the masses. Customer satisfaction would take a MUCH larger hit if they release a buggy software update to the world.

To anyone who says EB01 doesn't have bugs go do some reading at XDA. It seems to work Ok on some phones, and horrible on others. YMMV

I know this is supposed to be a non-root OTA speculation thread, but I can't NOT respond to this post.

I just wanted to say that EB01 runs GREAT on THREE out of the THREE Fascinate phones I have installed it on. My personal Fascinate was the biggest PITA to get it working on. FC galore, lockup and bootloop, weird kernel issues. It took some serious time and work to get it working on my phone, but it's not surprising. I had a custom 2.1 undervolted and overclocked voodoo kernel on it, and I had monkeyed with lots of kernels and other such mods on it, so I wasn't surprised that it was a mess to update to Froyo.

The second Fascinate I put EB01 on was my wife's. It was brand new out of the box with no updates on it yet and no apps installed. Her Fascinate was an absolute piece of cake to root, CWM, EB01 radio update, then EB01 ROM install. Quick and easy. Ridiculously easy.

I can also report that both my Fascinate and my wife's have been faster, more stable, more responsive, and more bug free than any 2.1 based Fascinate ROM/kernal combo I have tested on my Fascinate, or on anyone else's Fascinate. We have had the EB01 froyo on our Fascinates since a couple of days after it hit XDA. I'm not using superclean or a custom ROM, just the leak straight from Verizon. I de-bloated our Fascinates, and customized them myself, and use ADW.Launcher on them. Absolutely amazing and reliable experience. I play on my wife's phone from time to time to make sure it's still responsive and stable. It is. Calls, emails, apps, messaging, internet, etc. It's all rock solid.

And a few hours ago, I setup a friend's Fascinate with the EB01 ROM as well. Her 2.1 Fascinate has been buggy and slow for a couple months now. She was getting tired of it. I was just going to Odin it back to stock for her and tweak it a little bit, but she wanted to give 2.2 a try. It took longer than my wife's Fascinate, likely because of the two OTA updates her phone received that my wife's did not, and because I could never get the easy root method to work. Had to do the adb command method, but I had all that stuff already to go on my laptop anyways. Once I got 2.2 going properly, she LOVED it. It was as responsive and snappy as my Fascinate. We put flash on it, ADW.Launcher, and some other stuff. I showed her the new features in 2.2, which she is totally digging. We reset it a few times and tested some other stuff out, but so far her Fascinate also seems like a new, shiny, wonderful beast.

My point is that I can't WAIT until the OTA hits. People are going to NEED to do clean restores on their devices of course, for best results, but once their 2.2 gets going, most will see a substantial improvement.

Obviously others are having bugs, but I'm 3 for 3 with EB01 so far. I'm using the stock leak from Verizon, and I'm impressed. Very impressed. The one exception is that Abduction doesn't seem to work well on MY Fascinate. Grrrrrr... Everything else works great though, and I read reviews that Abduction is having issues on several handsets as of late. All I can base my judgments on for the 2.2 Fascinate experience is by how the Fascinates that I have direct access to perform, but my observations so far are overwhelmingly more positive than yours.

Those checking back here anxiously awaiting the 2.2 OTA are waiting for a significant improvement in how their Fascinate will perform for them, based on my direct observations of three of these handsets.

Don't forget to do the factory wipe on it though. :D

I'm still not rooted I'm too scared. I love the phone on 2.1 although I am looking forward to some of the standard enhancements with 2.2. I have to say though besides Blackberry, this is my first Android phone so I didn't have any set expectation I didn't even know about Eclair yet alone Froyo when I bought it.

However, the big complaint I have is my pop3 e-mail. My gmail works perfectly fine but my work e-mail on pop3 has a mind of it's own. What I have read in the threads is this will be fixed with the way Froyo handles pop3. That's the biggie that makes me want to root my phone.

My workaround is I log into the admin panel for my pop3 e-mail and forward it to my g-mail if I know I'm going to be out of the office. This way, I don't miss my e-mail.

Othwise, coming from the BB Storm I love this phone. My BB Storm would freeze up frequently so this was a big step up for the overall reliability of the overall phone but a giant step backwards for the buggy e-mail.

I'm waiting patiently for the OTA update. If I don't have it by the end of March, I'll root it. I'm pretty good at following directions and I understand the community is really helpful.

As far as OTA, I don't even check my phone for updates any more. I'm not checking till 4/1 and then I'm rooting.

For Verizon to be 1 month later than the other carriers is no surprise. I believe they do test things a bit more rigorously that other carriers, or at least they want to appear that way. Can't say that I blame them after Sprint's current antics.

I'm pleased to say email is definitely improved on 2.2, but they STILL haven't fixed the bluetooth issue when something's plugged into the headphone jack. Do any of you have this issue, or is it just me??
 
AMEN to that. All the GSM versions of the Galaxy S phones have had 2.2 for quite some time now. There seems to be some problem with the CDMA updates. I doubt it is even 100% samsung's problem.

Even the EB01 leak has significant bugs, and I'm glad they didn't release it to the masses. Customer satisfaction would take a MUCH larger hit if they release a buggy software update to the world.

To anyone who says EB01 doesn't have bugs go do some reading at XDA. It seems to work Ok on some phones, and horrible on others. YMMV

Eb01. Has bugs, agreed....but so did dh12 di01 and dl09 and they all were official lop...frankly eb01 could have be ota-ed by those standards (minus the edf dialer error)

And frankly I wish it had so the root community could have been rocking custom kernels and had a more complete aosp from 2.2 source

I've grown more jaded these days and really only care about updates as they relate to the root crowd and not the stock masses :eek:
 
It's difficult to believe we're having this discussion about 2.2 in March of 2011. I remember getting my Eris just before this time last year, and promptly rooting it and getting Froyo prior to the OTA. And having Gingerbread running well on it and the Droid way before getting the Fascinate.

Just kinda weird getting this great hardware and having no official support. The stuff about users not expecting/deserving updates is a bunch of crap; it reflects poorly on Samsung to not provide adequate support for a flagship-level product. I don't care how well they make tankers; if they can't care enough about their electronics to provide timely updates past the point of sale, I won't give them the chance to screw me on drivers for my laptop. Or updates for TV firmware. Et cetera.
 
...my observations so far are overwhelmingly more positive than yours.

Those checking back here anxiously awaiting the 2.2 OTA are waiting for a significant improvement in how their Fascinate will perform for them, based on my direct observations of three of these handsets.

It's great that you want to only compare my observations with yours. That was not my statement. There are far more than three people on XDA having problems with EB01, particularly around GPS and battery life.

You're painting a rosy picture based upon three phones. I'm glad that it's working well enough for you, but I hope that people are not anxiously awating EB01 to be released solely "based on [your] direct observations of three of these handsets".

Three is not a statistically valid sample size for a test group composed of many tens of thousands of phones.

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Eb01. Has bugs, agreed....but so did dh12 di01 and dl09 and they all were official lop...frankly eb01 could have be ota-ed by those standards (minus the edf dialer error)

Personally I think the issues in EB01 are far more significant than any in DI01 or DL09. If they released an update in which 20% of phones have WAY worse battery life, or where the GPS cannot be enabled/disabled from the notification bar reliably, Samsung is going to have a far worse PR problem than delaying froyo's release.

Not trying to turn this into an EB01 is ready for primetime or not thread, but there are some very biased postings going on here giving people the impression that EB01 is perfect in every way. People need to hear both sides of the deal, some people have no problems, some have major problems.

Unless you're prepared to deal with those problems if they occur (or revert from them as I did) then they should not be considering rooting to jump to EB01. The ODIN files released to jump to EB01 make it almost TOO easy now.
 
Here is the only question I have.

How could it be that other handsets in the US (new or updated) can run 2.2 and the SF cannot? They (verizon/samsung) have had plenty of time to work out the bugs and get it right if this has been a priority for Verizon and Samsung. That's the most dissappointment part of this whole debacle.

To me, rooting isn't the solution. For starters, should something not work right I don't have the time to troubleshoot. I'm sure I could get it right with the help of the community but I want the product to work and work right. This includes current/future updates expected from the manufacturer and carrier.

My sister has an original droid and it's on Froyo. That is just unacceptable from the SF point of view.
 
Personally I think the issues in EB01 are far more significant than any in DI01 or DL09. If they released an update in which 20% of phones have WAY worse battery life, or where the GPS cannot be enabled/disabled from the notification bar reliably, Samsung is going to have a far worse PR problem than delaying froyo's release.

Not trying to turn this into an EB01 is ready for primetime or not thread, but there are some very biased postings going on here giving people the impression that EB01 is perfect in every way. People need to hear both sides of the deal, some people have no problems, some have major problems.

Unless you're prepared to deal with those problems if they occur (or revert from them as I did) then they should not be considering rooting to jump to EB01. The ODIN files released to jump to EB01 make it almost TOO easy now.

i find battery life to not be all that bad for a stock kernel as well as performance...is eb01 perfect? far from it...but honestly its comparable to dio1 in what works/doesnt...and performance is generally fine

i think a lot of the issues people are having are for various reasons...it seems that most of the complaints come from people who are newly rooted or not that experienced (not to say this is every case, but most of it seems that way)...most of the more experienced members of the root crowd seem fine with ebo1 (myself included)...

this is not meant to stir anything up...just my own personal observations
 
For the most part I agree with you nitsuj - in my limited trial the performance seemed just fine, pretty damned snappy actually, and it was nice to be able to have flash on the phone. The battery was definitely dropping a lot faster than on DL09 for me. The GPS on/off issues w/ the notification bar are just shoddy, and I'm praying Sammy fixes that before releasing. When turned on via the menu the GPS had faster lock and stronger signal than DL09 performance, but my DL09 works every time via the notification bar button... I was hoping we'd see another leak come out of a newer version shortly after EB01, but nothing so far. Note that my experience was with SC 2.2 and also the stock EB01 leak, I have not tried any of the newer ROMs since then.

I need my phone battery to last all day with heavy usage for work (both data and calls) and EB01 just didn't do it for me. DL09 makes it with 20% to spare most days, even with multiple hours of calls, BT usage, and email push all day long.
 
finally rooted... about to restore my apps, so I shouldn't restore system apps with titanium backup? If I restore system apps will it brick or something since I'm running 2.2.1 now?
 
finally rooted... about to restore my apps, so I shouldn't restore system apps with titanium backup? If I restore system apps will it brick or something since I'm running 2.2.1 now?
Apps should restore ok, its nandroid backups of 2.1 that didnt always play nice in 2.2.1, app and app data back ups should be green light:)
 
I know people say the techs don't know jack about jack but I was on the line with a tech the other day regarding a different issue (with my parents acct and switching phones for them) and we got to discussing the fascinate. He said 100% for sure that Samsung has handed 2.2 for our phones over to verizon recently. He wasn't just BSing me cause I was prying because... I wasn't prying, it was just a causal discussion. He said he used the Fascinate as well. He was really nice and gave me some good info. He alluded to the fact that the 2.2 update could possibly not be an OTA. This makes me wonder if part of the holdup is problems with testing the OTA (i.e. they don't want to brick all our phones). Perhaps they're considering a way to push the update out to us who care in a different way (visit your local verizon store for your update if you care for one).

He started saying some stuff about the update and then stopped himself and started stammering a bit. I'm not sure if it was b/c he knew something but wasn't really supposed to say or if he really didn't know. I actually do tech support myself for Microsoft and while we don't always have all the latest info (cause it's literally not known), we do get a lot of stuff in advance and we're instructed to keep it private so when someone is dancing around something, I can usually tell cause I've been there before!!!

Anyway, this is probably the first post in a long time in this thread where the word root hasn't been used... Well dammit, I just ruined it.
 
I know people say the techs don't know jack about jack but I was on the line with a tech the other day regarding a different issue (with my parents acct and switching phones for them) and we got to discussing the fascinate. He said 100% for sure that Samsung has handed 2.2 for our phones over to verizon recently. He wasn't just BSing me cause I was prying because... I wasn't prying, it was just a causal discussion. He said he used the Fascinate as well. He was really nice and gave me some good info. He alluded to the fact that the 2.2 update could possibly not be an OTA. This makes me wonder if part of the holdup is problems with testing the OTA (i.e. they don't want to brick all our phones). Perhaps they're considering a way to push the update out to us who care in a different way (visit your local verizon store for your update if you care for one).

He started saying some stuff about the update and then stopped himself and started stammering a bit. I'm not sure if it was b/c he knew something but wasn't really supposed to say or if he really didn't know. I actually do tech support myself for Microsoft and while we don't always have all the latest info (cause it's literally not known), we do get a lot of stuff in advance and we're instructed to keep it private so when someone is dancing around something, I can usually tell cause I've been there before!!!

Anyway, this is probably the first post in a long time in this thread where the word root hasn't been used... Well dammit, I just ruined it.
Yeah we know Samsung have VZW initial version last fall and they have been close to a release candidate all year. But like with the Epic Im sure they dont wanna release it and have to pull it the next day due to problems. Again, if you/anyone wants 2.2 its been out a month+ now unofficially. If you/anyone choose not to go that route just keep waiting I suppose.
 
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