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***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

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Third Question:

If we cant get a Vanilla Android Launcher from the market, Is it available elsewhere since Android is supposed to be open? Like from Google Directly? Wouldn't that solve Peoples issues with the skins that Manufactures put on our phones? And wouldn't we be able to download whichever widget's we wanted to load onto our phones?
 
Thanks for you're answer EarlyMon!

Second Question:

How do Cell Phone Carriers/Manufactures get away with locking down "OUR" phones. And getting away with "voided warranties" if we want to make changes to "OUR" phones, when we can essentially do all of that with our PC's with out a problem?

It all got obscured by issues regarding software that controls access to hardware that includes radio controllers that accesses airwaves controlled by the FCC.

At one point, USA carriers tried to make root access against contractual terms of service as copyright violations for reverse engineering and so forth.

It took a high court to step in and declare all that nonsense. But the giveaway was that violation of warranty by usurping root access and risking an invalid configuration is okay.

If you're not familiar with the term unconscionable contract, see here -

Unconscionability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you've seen the movie Big Fish, you're good to go.

Third Question:

If we cant get a Vanilla Android Launcher from the market, Is it available elsewhere since Android is supposed to be open? Like from Google Directly? Wouldn't that solve Peoples issues with the skins that Manufactures put on our phones? And wouldn't we be able to download whichever widget's we wanted to load onto our phones?

On phones, you have to contend with getting a kernel and drivers that support your hardware and also the right firmware and bindings to get to the radios (phone, Bluetooth, etc).

These aren't PCs with standardized bios or even the same Intel cpu architecture - we contend with lots of variations.

That's where the independent development community comes in.

The closest you can get to a stock, vanilla Android experience without a Nexus class phone comes from a development (group) called CyanonGen Mod.

CyanogenMod | Android Community Rom based on Gingerbread

Interestingly, the leading developer that started CM was hired full-time by Samsung, specifically to bring forward that CM magic - so far as we know and believe.

Widgets are available in quantity and quality, free and paid, from the Market.
 
Sorry to keep asking these somewhat "off topic" questions. I figured it would be "Ok" Since it's 1:30am and there's not a lot going on. :) This next one is more of a "What if" question:

So, one day, When Smart Phones/tablets become as powerful, prominent, and useful as lets say a PC Laptop, In your opinion, would the Android OS become more standardized so we could have it more of an open and unlocked infrastructure so we are more free to modify our devices like we are able to do now with our PC computers? There's going to become a time in the next few years where these things are powerful enough to fun a full computer style OS. Whether it be Windows, Linux, Chromium, or an apple OS.
 
Been doing some research on numbers in Asian culture. Although the Chinese culture is more focused on lucky numbers, it does also permeate the Korean culture.

Three (3) - means talking and understanding --Communication plus interaction plus Neutrality.

3 is also a lucky number in Korean culture.

ERGO: Release date of 11/3
 
Sorry to keep asking these somewhat "off topic" questions. I figured it would be "Ok" Since it's 1:30am and there's not a lot going on. :) This next one is more of a "What if" question:

So, one day, When Smart Phones/tablets become as powerful, prominent, and useful as lets say a PC Laptop, In your opinion, would the Android OS become more standardized so we could have it more of an open and unlocked infrastructure so we are more free to modify our devices like we are able to do now with our PC computers? There's going to become a time in the next few years where these things are powerful enough to fun a full computer style OS. Whether it be Windows, Linux, Chromium, or an apple OS.

Android is fully open source.

It is Linux with a specialized virtual machine called the Dalvik VM that proctors apps written in a highly transportable fashion in Java.

Android is already moving to non-mobile platforms -

Android-x86 - Porting Android to x86

Android is completely unlocked - its implementation has some hoop-jumping thanks to US carriers.

I wrote the CEO of Spirit and informed in no uncertain terms that I care not a whit for their policies.

Today, I am fully rooted and taking full advantage of my dual core Android phone.

In fact, in addition to Android, I am simultaneously running a full distribution of Ubuntu Linux, including a comprehensive window manager, thanks to the independent development community and my use of a virtual machine that I am piggybacking on my existing infrastructure.

And it doesn't prevent me from getting phone calls.

Limitations? What limitations?

This is Android.

PS - details and screen shots of my phone are here -

http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all-things-root/387978-ubuntu-linux-3vo.html
 
hm... nothing new yet? :D

ok then i'll start...


1) do you guys think we'll see something official today?
2) or a new leak?
3) Omap 4460 vs. exynos 4212 ?!
4) sAmoled with/without pentile matrix?
5) metal/plastic chassis?
6) 5MP/8MP camera? improves sensor? improved lens?
7) 1750, 1850 or 2050 mA/h battery?
8) NFC?
9) LTE (also for the GSM-version?)
10) seperate versions? (CDMA <-> GSM | america <-> europe)
11) corning gorilla glass?


just some thoughts, feel free to choose some of them... ;)


edit:

haha iPhone 4s has still 512 MB ram only :D
[source (sry it's a german tech-news-website)]

ok but those benchmarks + camera sample look nice... i have to admit that... :/ stil hope the n____ p____ will be better (also in 3d game performance)
 
I WANT ICS!!! AND THE NEXUS PRIME!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


I hate delays...

calm down... maybe we'll see somethin today though the official announcement has postponed until a yet-unknown date...

i think its possible that they may release another teaser, inwhich we can see something we don't know yet...
 
calm down... maybe we'll see somethin today though the official announcement has postponed until a yet-unknown date...

i think its possible that they may release another teaser, inwhich we can see something we don't know yet...

A new announcing date would be great today...
 
Some random thoughts from reading the thread:

- Google didn't delay this event because of a last minute switch from Samsung. There were a half dozen posts suggesting this earlier. If Samsung isn't making the Prime, it's because they were never making the Prime. To suggest otherwise indicates a lack of knowledge of how businesses operate.

- The "non-AOSP" nature of manufacturer skins goes deeper than just the launcher/widgets/apps. Most of them have custom code in the code base itself that allows some of the more fundamental changes, like widgets in the notification bar or special lock screens or any of a number of other features. Most of these things are possible without the custom code, but the manufacturers aren't taking that route.

The consequence of this is that even removing the custom launcher, replacing it, and deleting all of the "bloatware" with root access (voiding the warranty) does not bring the phone back to AOSP or anywhere close.

Also, the reason they do this is primarily as a market differentiator. It's not really because they love us so much that they want missing functionality to be included - it's mostly so they can say, "my Android phone is different than my competitor's Android phone, because I have Sense/Blur/Touchwiz/whatever."

- Regarding the warranty, it makes perfect sense that rooting your phone would void the warranty. I don't know if you guys have ever supported embedded systems like these but there are so many variables and so few avenues to fix them, that they really have to eliminate all variables. It's not like on a computer where the IT support staff can remote in and find a missing file and replace it.

If you root your phone, you need to know enough about it to put it back to the factory state. If you don't, you probably shouldn't root your phone.

The locked bootloaders and stuff... yeah, I agree. Ridiculous. It should void your warranty, but they shouldn't make it impossible to do. However, I expect some of this stuff will start to go away now that tiered data plans are the norm. Unlimited data was always unsustainable, and they had to try to protect against tethering as best they could. Now that tiered data prevents abusing the tethering plans, I think we'll start to see some of the security measures being relaxed.

If we can get some more support infrastructure in place, like the ability to reload the stock firmware on the phone through the bootloader in a manufacturer-created and supported way, we might even see a future where rooting and ROM'ing doesn't void the warranty. Until there's a supported and easy way to reload the stock firmware, though, the support model is too broken to do anything other than refuse to support rooted phones.


Just my $0.02 from someone who has worked under a few support models for computers and embedded products, and has spent some substantial time working with the business side as well. You may now return to your regularly scheduled speculation :D
 
Old meat, but feeding the lions seems important:

GSM Arena says it was contacted by a tipster from inside Google that claims to be familiar with the Nexus Prime phone. This source supposedly 'put the other specs to sleep' and gave the site a new set of mouth-watering specs to drool over. According to him, the phone will pack one of Samsung's own chipsets, a 1.5 GHz dual-core affair that will work alongside the same dual-core PowerVR SGX543MP2 GPU that's found in the iPad 2. Instead of the 5-megapixel camera BGR's source promised, GSM Arena's guy is saying the phone will have an 8-megapixel camera in the back. What's more, the source says that the phone will actually boast a 2050mAh battery. Yowza! Both sources seem to agree on the 4.65-inch, 1280x720 pixels screen.
 
ok i've got somethin new for you guys...


this source (its a german site, im sry again :p) mentions something (maybe) interesting...

they searched for 'galaxy nexus' on picasa and found those 2 photos

[if this doesn't work: first & second]

look at the photo description:

Camera: Samsung
Model: Galaxy Nexus

+ some other infos i can't comment cause i don't know much about cameras, lenses, sensors, whatever ;)

but honestly i think the photo quality isn't as good as i expected, but maybe that's just because picasa resized it or somethin... (the photo size on picasa is only 3MP)

and don't forget... rumours are rumours, and nothing more..

edit: but seems pretty legit as both of those uploaders are google employees
 
Wow, those 4S specs put everything to shame. I hope Samsung has something special up their sleeves cos in terms of raw power, the SGX543MP2 is a monster (especially given that the GSII isn't even qHD).

Edit: The 4S seems like a test version... If an iPhone 5 is released next June...
 
ASC,

Getting a pure stock (Google), experience on many phones is difficult for many handsets. Cyanogen cannot run on a particular device until it has been "ported" to that device because of the proprietary drivers, locked bootloaders, different screen sizes/resolutions, etc.

When a phone is first rooted, we get debloated versions of the manufacturer's ROM (operating system). Eventually, if we are lucky, some handy people will port Cyanogen or just stock Android to the phone.

When you start with a stock Google phone like the Nexus, they leave it wide open and it is referred to as an developer's phone. Modifications are then easier to make. YOU then can theme your device, or load a custom ROM that will allow you to enjoy different and new features that our developers come up with. This is Android and the way it should be!

Hope that helps a little. It's hard to explain some of this without showing you. Go to any device section in the forum and go to the "all things root" section. You will see some pretty cool stuff.
 
nice find r4yN. so. galaxy nexus is probably confirmed then. camera specs look good, the pictures just look meh though. hmm
 
Very disappointed how slow this thread is moving this A.M. On an off topic note ~ How bout' those Lions!

yeah, that's why i posted some stuff, but almost no reaction :(


edit: ok to push you guys..

vz_wired said that nexus prime would have won the CTIA "Gamer & Entertainment Enthusiast"-award... so that means the N___ P___ has to have a better GPU than the other smartphones, e.g. Samsung Galaxy S2...

but if you take a look at those 2 benchmark results (#1 #2) you can see that the Lg Optimus 3D's PowerVr SGX540 (clocked at ~300MHz) is about 40% weaker than the SGS2's Mali 400MP4-GPU...

its said that the OMAP 4460's SGX540 will be clocked at ~380MHz, so an increase of about 25%...

25% <-> 40%

-> Mali 400MP4 would still be faster and that's why i guess the N____ P____ won't have an Omap 4460 (exception: maybe my calculations are wrong, i don't know, if they are, tell me pls)
 
I have a question. What's the cheapest way to get a nexus s? Obviously, to make the phone cheapest I would have to sign a contract. But in terms of not having monthly costs, or very low monthly costs, what's best? I have vzw, but have aalways wanted to get a nexus s to play with.
 
I have a question. What's the cheapest way to get a nexus s? Obviously, to make the phone cheapest I would have to sign a contract. But in terms of not having monthly costs, or very low monthly costs, what's best? I have vzw, but have aalways wanted to get a nexus s to play with.

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