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***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

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HanSolo said:
Agreed. No matter how you cut it, not announcing before iPhone's release has cost them millions. Every day that passes without hard, official news is another loss in revenue.

I get the whole respect for SJ thing. But what are you trying to do, give all your money to Apple?
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People buying an iPhone are going to buy an iPhone, regardless of any announcement from Google/Samsung.

I doubt they are losing any money.
 
nhindian said:
Looks like the hype train is slowly dying down..

CMON GOOGLE/SAMSUNG/VERIZON

GIVE US SOMETHING!!

I think this whole delaying thing is a bad move. Sure, we are a pack of rabid animals for this phone, but what about people in the real world? They know either very little or NOTHING about this phone. That's a whole segment of people that may view the iPhone4s as a viable option.
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What do you think, Mods, close thread? Somebody better come out with something soon, or we'll all be frothing at the mouth for more soon!
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I hope the battery life and headphone sound quality is up to par... was really hoping this was finally going to be the device to combine my music player and phone. No more carrying two devices please...
 
nj02vette said:
People buying an iPhone are going to buy an iPhone, regardless of any announcement from Google/Samsung.

I doubt they are losing any money.
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I think that a lot of people that buy an iPhone, maybe even the majority, are brand-loyal sheep. But there are also a lot of people (including OG owners who are just now coming out of their 2 year contracts) who aren't phone geeks like us and just go after a nice, shiny thing. Back when we got our OG Droids, the iPhone wasn't available on Verizon. Now it is. I think that Verizon and Samsung stand to lose millions to Apple because of those types of people. And there are A LOT of them.

red66charger said:
I still don't believe this has anything to do with the announcement delay. JMHO.
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Agreed.
 
dr01d3tte said:
But if Moto can recapture that lightening in the bottle awesomeness that we got with the OG, and apply that to a new phone concept, I'd be open to even an encrypted bootloader. Oy, now I'm sounding like an iWhore, isn't that how they think <slinks off into a corner now>
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Honestly I think they did in the Droid X, which I still consider one of the best phones ever offered on Verizon. I'm probably biased though.

The only thing that's getting me to upgrade from my X is:

1.5GHz dual core
4.3" minimum HD screen
LTE
ICS
Last a full day on battery with typical use
Good radio performance (3G/4G reception, WiFi)
Good voice quality
Good GPS performance (SGS performance not acceptable)
Fast camera with acceptable pictures

Right now, no phone meets that criterea. If the Prime doesn't either, than I'll pass and wait for the one that does.
 
WalmartSecurity said:
Does it really matter if it's 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz?

The OMAP 4460 was designed to run at 1.5ghz. Therefore, it's more than capable of running at that speed.
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You know, it could well be both. Could be they were clocking it at 1.5GHz, but downclocked later prototypes to meet their battery life goals. Or, better, still (hey, why not add to the mess), maybe it's the other way around. One of the main reasons Apple gets such a good battery life on the iPhone 4 isn't just a big battery, or their fake multitasking, but the fact that Apple has very good power management software. They use the same tech on their laptops, and get twice the typical runtime of most Windows PCs.

What if the early prototypes were downclocked to 1.2GHz to save battery, expecting typical Android performance (Android has long had some work to do on the power management front). But as they got used to playing around and using ICS, they discovered the full 1.5GHz along with way improved power management software would be no problem. Of course, I'd also like to believe the final version uses some new Samsung 32nm wunderchip rather than the TI with the old GPU, but that's seeming less likely.

WalmartSecurity said:
The only thing that slightly bugs me is the outdated GPU. Any known way of improving graphics performance in the modding community?
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I agree about the GPU. Ok, sure, it's clocked at twice the speed of the same GPU in the Galaxy S... but it's pushing 2.4x the pixels. So this ought to seem SLOWER than last year's Samsungs. I don't get why that wouldn't be seen as a major problem on a flagship device. And of course, the SII has the MALI-400, which is already twice as fast as the SGX540 at the same clock speed... or, well, the Adreno 220 if you get your SII from T-Mobile (why do they always pull this stuff... same name, different stuff inside is just as stupid as making up different names for exactly the same device based on the carrier it goes to).

WalmartSecurity said:
EDIT: It seems like the iPhone 4 had the PowerVR SGX535, but gaming was still heavily marketed by Apple, and my experience with games on the iP4 has been nothing but positive.
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Some of it's a matter of comparisons... the Apple 3GS ran the same PowerVR SGX 535, but at a slower clock speed, and the previous iPhones were pretty pathetic. So across all iPhones, the 4 was the leader upon introduction in GPU performance. And any "HD" application was written with it in mind. In short, games were inherently well tuned to the iPhone 4.

In the Android world, it's more like the PC world... new graphically intensive games are likely to be tuned to the leading GPUs in the market, not any specific chip. The good news is that these are all faster than the nVidia Tegra 2, which was probably the reference platform for most of the last year. The bad news is, any games that's really tuned to Galaxy SII performance would be slow on the NP, if we can believe the rumors (it would basically be about as fast CPU-wise as the SII, with a slower GPU pushing 2.4x as many pixels around).

With all that said, it'll beat the piss out of my OG Droid. And since you can't pick features from a Chinese menu and get the exact device you want, I'm betting that 720p AM-OLED makes up for a whole mess of other shortcomings, for my personal needs.
 
pcj said:
From my understanding of the time zones, it will actually be the 18th in the US if it is held in Hong Kong.
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The date changes, but it's not a day. HK is 12 hours ahead of the Eastern time, 15 hours ahead of Pacific (until Daylight Savings kicks out).

Supposing they announce something at 10 am in Hong Kong, that puts it anywhere from 7 to 10 pm on the 18th for us.

cusjs said:
What is the URL to all of the vz_wired posts?
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Sorry I missed this one - go here -

Android Forums - View Profile: vz_wired

Click on the Statistics tab, first link, All posts... hope that helps!

nj02vette said:
I agree in theory......but Ti does sell the OMAP 4460 as a 1.5GHz device. Go download the datasheet for yourself. No mention at all about 1.2GHz.

For giggles, my EE coworker/friend who is also interested in the Prime called up Ti to inquire about purchasing the OMAP 4460. Got spooked by some of the delay reports. We got quoted lot prices and delivery dates. There were no issues.

Trust me, there is no problem running this chip at 1.5GHz. If there was, thier datasheets would have been updated by now. Chip has been available for months now.
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There are datasheets and there's reality. The Qualcomm 8x60 datasheet makes no mention of 1.2 GHz, but there's a quite a few Sensation and Evo 3D owners running that at stock, as shipped.

Someone was making a habit of posting all the info from TI, Samsung and Qualcomm's sites, and lots of others picked up the practice not too long ago. Today the data online for the general public shows just a general impression of things. One maker actually regressed their online by a few years because they weren't too happy with that info going to the general public - it was intended as supply-chain information only.

So. Will the 4460, if sold at 1.2, run just fine at 1.5 GHz. Highly probable. If sold at 1.2, can it necessarily be clocked above 1.5? Don't count on it - if there were yield issues in manufacturing, they could have practiced the time-honored tradition of binning.

But I'll still maintain that overclocking is in the realm of us rooters, and we are not in the majority here - not even close - so theory doesn't count for anyone except our subset of the group.

And I'll stick to my guns per my previous reasons - it'll run at 1.5 GHz out of the box, stock.

And nothing's more fun than pointing and laughing at mods, so - here ya go! :) ;) :D

Cheers, and a late goooooooooooooood morning, Vietnam!

Shout out to Jimmy - Welcome to the forums!
 
zulucap said:
The only camera shots we've seen so far have been on Picasa where they auto reduce the resolution to around 3.0 MP. As far as I know, we have not yet seen any photos taken with this phone at their full resolution yet so I'm not going to start panicking until I do.

Though I would say this latest pic looks at least as good if not better than anything my DInc could take with it's 8MP camera.
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The 3.0MP has very little to nothing to do with the noise in the picture. I can set my DSLR and a photo of that size will absolutely blow away any camera phone at an 8mp setting.

Megapixels are a selling point and very little more unless you are trying to blow it up life size lol.
 
dr01d3tte said:
I vote that we create a separate lounge thread. The next few weeks are going to be nothing but us all p*ssing away hours of chatter.
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That's a great idea, scary Stitch!

A lounge, where all can come and go as they please, play games, and pis$ away the time we're left waiting instead of being productive at work.

I like it!
:)

Edit: Is anyone else afraid that, at the end of this thing, our thread will have the highest unemployment rate in the forums?
 
red66charger said:
I still don't believe this has anything to do with the announcement delay. JMHO.
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Agreed. As I recall, the initial official announcements that cancelled the Oct. 11th event just said they didn't think it was the right time. Then rumors came in that it was out of respect for Mr. Jobs, then Google and Samsung amended their "statements" to confirm those rumors. Now...several days later and still nothing. If they were ready to go, it'd have it rescheduled by now. This is top priority for these companies, they'd make it happen. And if the Hong Kong rumors are true, they'd have announced that by now, too, because they want this out and they want the media to notice. No point in setting a new date and then just sitting on it silently. Something's up, I don't know what it is. But if they don't give me something soon I think I'll have to go with the RAZR, just because my OG Droid can't hang in there forever.
 
HanSolo said:
That's a great idea, scary Stitch!

A lounge, where all can come and go as they please, play games, and pis$ away the time we're left waiting instead of being productive at work.

I like it!
:)

Edit: Is anyone else afraid that, at the end of this thing, our thread will have the highest unemployment rate in the forums?
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LMAO at your edit!

Han, your first order of business in a lounge thread is to create a poll for a new avatar for me :)
 
r4yN said:
exactly... samsung fixed the missing LTE-support of the original exynos 4210 [seen in the Galaxy Note], so why the hell do they have to use a so much weaker SoC ?

just one little mistake: samsund exynos 4210 isn't 40nm, it's 45nm, too

Samsung (System on Chip) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Hmmm... I must have been reading a bogus article then. Some say 40nm and others say 45nm. More say 45nm though. Unfortunately Samsungs own tech page for the 4210 does not list the size =(

Samsung Exynos 4212, SoC dual-core 32 nm | Electronic-Gadgets.info

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dr01d3tte said:
I vote that we create a separate lounge thread. The next few weeks are going to be nothing but us all p*ssing away hours of chatter.
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I'm up for it.

Lots of the other threads in this forum have launched expressly because people are frustrated with the noise not directly about specs, speculations and latest rumors.

Plus, everyone can share their wit with the entire Android community and who knows, make new friends and influence people over the Prime! :)

And while I work in the semiconductor industry, I recognize that not everyone is a chiphead. I keep wondering if the more engineering-type posts don't need their own thread - I imagine that to many, we sound like we're discussing how many angels can dance on the tip of a pin.

It's our forums, so it's your forums - you cats organize yourselves as you like, and staff will help organize, that's what we're here for! :)

Well - that and Prime specs, speculations and rumors. ;)
 
tbrindisi said:
Hmmm... I must have been reading a bogus article then. Some say 40nm and others say 45nm. More say 45nm though. Unfortunately Samsungs own tech page for the 4210 does not list the size =(

Samsung Exynos 4212, SoC dual-core 32 nm | Electronic-Gadgets.info

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"to the generation previous year, realized at 40 nm"
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hm ok, none of us is 100% right, but i guess we both agree on this:

the NP would be a absolute BEAST if it comes with the exynos 4212 (32nm) !


as there haven't been any leaks / official infos about the GSM-NP (for Europe) and the SGS2 LTE HD is supposed to come with it, i think it's not impossible...
 
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