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I think custom roms are going to only be for obsolete phones by this time next year. Manufactures are going to keep locking these down. I hope they don't go HTC's route and try preventing root that much but custom roms aren't a big loss. You can usually theme and customize via apps to do anything you want your phone to do. Just can't have a peeing (lack of a better word) contest about who can overclock their 1ghz PHONE more. I read someone else saying it in another thread I believe that every manufacturer now has a set of instructions on how to beat the hackers. Get used to it. We fought and we lost lol
 
I think custom roms are going to only be for obsolete phones by this time next year. Manufactures are going to keep locking these down. I hope they don't go HTC's route and try preventing root that much but custom roms aren't a big loss. You can usually theme and customize via apps to do anything you want your phone to do. Just can't have a peeing (lack of a better word) contest about who can overclock their 1ghz PHONE more. I read someone else saying it in another thread I believe that every manufacturer now has a set of instructions on how to beat the hackers. Get used to it. We fought and we lost lol

Have you ever used any custom roms before. Like real roms, e.g. cyanogenmod?
 
the main feature i am missing out due to the locked bootloader is the ability to oc/underclock.

currently cannot OC Droid X.
 
No. What am I missing? Maybe i'll try it out on my wifes dinc.

quite a lot actually. Low voltage roms that save massive battery life, overclocking, custom kernels that allow a dev to basically build an OS from scratch. truly being able to remove blur. Run a true 100 percent vanilla rom, or bring elements of other UIs like sense
 
While I concede that what we can't do with the DX because of the locked bootloader isn't anything so significant that anyone should be considering mobile phone suicide or anything dramatic like that, I'm personally pissed off at Motorola (and HTC if they begin locking down all their new phones just like they did with the G2) for what they've done with these phones because to me it goes against the spirit of Android.

I also concede that 95% of the population probably does not give a hoot about theming, over clocking, blurless OS's or anything else mentioned on here. But those 95% are the one's that jumped on board the title wave that was Android when it was exploding. They grabbed an Android because it was the 'it' phone. But what made it the 'it' phone was the fact that it was an iPhone stripped of everything that people hated about iPhones, that were customizable... unlike iPhones! It was the anti-iPhone, and everyone who wanted to like the iPhone but just couldn't because of all their built in limits finally had exactly what they had been waiting for. So voting with their wallets the masses told the mobile phone industry that 'THIS' is what we want. And in the 2nd quarter of 2010 Android became the leading smartphone OS sold in the US, accounting for more than 1 of every 3 smartphones sold on the market.

And now they (mainly Moto, but also HTC or so it seems) are taking all of that progress and basically turning it into an iPhone right before our very eyes, and hardly anyone is even batting an eyelash because the people buying Androids today don't really even understand why they are buying this OS. Look through just about any of these forums on this site (save for maybe the Nexus forum) and they are all littered with people who have little to no appreciation for the fact that it's (supposed to be) an open source OS... I can almost guarantee if you were to give a pop quiz on this site less than 50% of the population even knows the definition of open source.

So they aren't going to put up any sort of a fight when the manufacturers lock down their phones, which for all intents and purposes turns them into Apple devices. No the masses will just shrug their shoulders and say, "who cares, they are still great phones". Well sure they are, I'm sure iPhones are great phones (don't personally know, never tinkered with one)... my Blackberry was a great phone, I didn't switch over to Android because my Curve sucked, it was because Android was the antithesis of the iPhone, a product born of a general consensus that we the consumer should have the freedom to do with our phones what we want to do with them just like we do with our computers... especially since we're paying as much as a basic computer costs (only most consumers hang on to their computer longer than a year or two before throwing it away and buying a completely brand new one)!!!

Yes it's my opinion (and only my opinion) that Motorola and HTC are in effect killing the entire philosophy behind Android. And the only way to regain that glimmer of hope of keeping it alive is to find a phone (or even more preferably a MANUFACTURER) who stays the course with the 'OPEN' part of open source. The only way to make certain that it stays open is to vote with our wallets. But the fate of this technology lays square in the hands of the consumer.

And I'm afraid there just won't be enough of them out there today who actually care either way what happens to Android. :(
 
I think custom roms are going to only be for obsolete phones by this time next year. Manufactures are going to keep locking these down. I hope they don't go HTC's route and try preventing root that much but custom roms aren't a big loss. You can usually theme and customize via apps to do anything you want your phone to do. Just can't have a peeing (lack of a better word) contest about who can overclock their 1ghz PHONE more. I read someone else saying it in another thread I believe that every manufacturer now has a set of instructions on how to beat the hackers. Get used to it. We fought and we lost lol

No need to give up so early, once you've been around Android a little longer you will see that devs will not abandon the attempt to root a phone. Obviously some will get fed up and move onto another project, I have to say birdman deserves nothing but everyone here's respect for what he's done, but in the long run other devs will keep trying to crack the DX and every other phone that comes out for a long time. People that buy Android phones are not like people that buy an i*hone, we are not going to settle with what the OEM thinks we need, we will keep trying to improve upon what they put out.

Trust me when I say that we will never see the day where all the devs give up because the "manufacturer beat the hackers", it won't happen, not every OEM wants to treat the community like were living in nazi germany, or buying apple products.
 
quite a lot actually. Low voltage roms that save massive battery life, overclocking, custom kernels that allow a dev to basically build an OS from scratch. truly being able to remove blur. Run a true 100 percent vanilla rom, or bring elements of other UIs like sense

Low voltage roms might be cool. And that miui Rom looks neat. But I don't understand the point in taking a step backwards to be able to make a phone run as good as the dx with a smaller screen and often little bugs here and there. other than messing with the processor speed, are there many other options that custom Rom phones can do that can't be done with the roms the dx has and a theme? It can look and run exactly like a vanilla android (yes I had one and prefer a skin). It just doesn't seem worth it to me. And I know that's just my opinion.
 
It seems like a lot of the companies are leaning towards locking down their phone (i.e. T-mobile G2)...T-Mobile sneaks "rootkit" into G2 phones - reinstalls locked-down OS after jailbreaking - Boing Boing

G2 doesn't have rootkit, it's just the same old NAND lock

The assumptions about the G2 "rootkit" were wrong. Its just the normal locked nand that all htc devices have. Seems once the kernel source get released it will get completely rooted.

I was going to get a fascinate but I decided to wait a little longer. With the merge coming soon and whispers of an Evo like phone coming after that I am going to wait until early november at least.

For those asking why jump ship I am going to get a new phone when there is something more compelling. I have 2 upgrades available and I have a $132 verizon gift card on the way from trading in an Eris. (Still cant believe they give that much for an eris.) I plan on holding onto my X in case someone unlocks the bootloader at some point but I want something that I can put other roms on. The lack of ability to run things like cyanogenmod and miui is frustrating.
 
No need to give up so early, once you've been around Android a little longer you will see that devs will not abandon the attempt to root a phone. Obviously some will get fed up and move onto another project, I have to say birdman deserves nothing but everyone here's respect for what he's done, but in the long run other devs will keep trying to crack the DX and every other phone that comes out for a long time. People that buy Android phones are not like people that buy an i*hone, we are not going to settle with what the OEM thinks we need, we will keep trying to improve upon what they put out.

Trust me when I say that we will never see the day where all the devs give up because the "manufacturer beat the hackers", it won't happen, not every OEM wants to treat the community like were living in nazi germany, or buying apple products.

Lol nice reference calling manufactures that lock down their phones Nazis. But its obvious that they are taking a step toward locking them down more and more. To protect their investments they have to, or so ppl say. But I think if this dev community is such a small group that they don't worry about pleasing us, then how many phones are being written off due to us? I just don't think they're going to slow down.
 
While I concede that what we can't do with the DX because of the locked bootloader isn't anything so significant that anyone should be considering mobile phone suicide or anything dramatic like that, I'm personally pissed off at Motorola (and HTC if they begin locking down all their new phones just like they did with the G2) for what they've done with these phones because to me it goes against the spirit of Android.

I also concede that 95% of the population probably does not give a hoot about theming, over clocking, blurless OS's or anything else mentioned on here. But those 95% are the one's that jumped on board the title wave that was Android when it was exploding. They grabbed an Android because it was the 'it' phone. But what made it the 'it' phone was the fact that it was an iPhone stripped of everything that people hated about iPhones, that were customizable... unlike iPhones! It was the anti-iPhone, and everyone who wanted to like the iPhone but just couldn't because of all their built in limits finally had exactly what they had been waiting for. So voting with their wallets the masses told the mobile phone industry that 'THIS' is what we want. And in the 2nd quarter of 2010 Android became the leading smartphone OS sold in the US, accounting for more than 1 of every 3 smartphones sold on the market.

And now they (mainly Moto, but also HTC or so it seems) are taking all of that progress and basically turning it into an iPhone right before our very eyes, and hardly anyone is even batting an eyelash because the people buying Androids today don't really even understand why they are buying this OS. Look through just about any of these forums on this site (save for maybe the Nexus forum) and they are all littered with people who have little to no appreciation for the fact that it's (supposed to be) an open source OS... I can almost guarantee if you were to give a pop quiz on this site less than 50% of the population even knows the definition of open source.

So they aren't going to put up any sort of a fight when the manufacturers lock down their phones, which for all intents and purposes turns them into Apple devices. No the masses will just shrug their shoulders and say, "who cares, they are still great phones". Well sure they are, I'm sure iPhones are great phones (don't personally know, never tinkered with one)... my Blackberry was a great phone, I didn't switch over to Android because my Curve sucked, it was because Android was the antithesis of the iPhone, a product born of a general consensus that we the consumer should have the freedom to do with our phones what we want to do with them just like we do with our computers... especially since we're paying as much as a basic computer costs (only most consumers hang on to their computer longer than a year or two before throwing it away and buying a completely brand new one)!!!

Yes it's my opinion (and only my opinion) that Motorola and HTC are in effect killing the entire philosophy behind Android. And the only way to regain that glimmer of hope of keeping it alive is to find a phone (or even more preferably a MANUFACTURER) who stays the course with the 'OPEN' part of open source. The only way to make certain that it stays open is to vote with our wallets. But the fate of this technology lays square in the hands of the consumer.

And I'm afraid there just won't be enough of them out there today who actually care either way what happens to Android. :(

Truly all great points about open source... but in the spirit of open source, aren't these manufacturers allowed to do whatever they want with they want to do with it without complaint from the community?

No one is stopping you, or a manufacturer from creating a completely unlocked pre-rooted device running stock android... or from putting your own tweaks on it (Bing).

The fact is... Motorola is not the source and never claimed to be open... Google is.

Would everyone be so upset if the OG Droid was locked too? We probably wouldnt be having this convo
 
What is the benefit of a custom kernel? I honestly have no clue about what can be gained here...

I would probably say the same, IF I didnt own the Eris running Conap's custom CFS kernel and Kaos' Froyo ROM. The Eris is fast (overclocked to 710mhz with solid stability and NO force closes), battery efficient, and running 2.2 far better than the official 2.1 and 1.5 releases.

I want a Dx, but my experience with the Eris (with a custom ROM making it the best phone I've ever had), has kept me from buying the X. And yet, I still obsessively read the Dx root forums !
 
Same here, there are too many things about the X that I like to go back to the Incredible. I'd feel like I'm downgrading.

I might get one as an extra. I really like the Dinc but the X is a better "phone" and does everything better than the Dinc IMO. It would make a fun toy though. But you can get a Fascinate for almost the same as a Inc and it would make a good toy and a better gaming device. Hmmmmm
 
I might get one as an extra. I really like the Dinc but the X is a better "phone" and does everything better than the Dinc IMO. It would make a fun toy though. But you can get a Fascinate for almost the same as a Inc and it would make a good toy and a better gaming device. Hmmmmm

If I'll get another phone just to mod it, next thing I'll get would be divorce :)
 
No one else cares for the method to downgrade the bootloader? I'm on the leak but some might want to downgrade from the OTA.
 
Supposedly the Saygus Vphone will be coming out on VZW here sometime soon? Its about the most developer friendly phone out there. Comes pre-rooted and all

Damn how fat is that phone? Looking at the videos of that thing it looks about an inch thick.
 
They never released it. And as of right now there is really no point to downgrade from OTA to leak, since bootloader was not hacked. The only advantage leak has over OTA is full .sbf vs system only .sbf
 
No one else cares for the method to downgrade the bootloader? I'm on the leak but some might want to downgrade from the OTA.

You can downgrade the bootloader but that does not make it so you can flash the 2.1 sbf file. The keys are not changed by changing the bootloader.

Birdman did say something in a tweet about being able to get back to 2.1 from the OTA but I think it was something to do with a nandroid. Im not sure what the method was but I dont think it had anything to do with the bootloader.
 
If I'll get another phone just to mod it, next thing I'll get would be divorce :)

Apparently you are unaware of Man Law #123,321,555 section b Rev 921.32
"Man" will never tell wife about secret modding phone or any other secret phone.
 
Oh, you don't have to tell..... If you're spending all evenings day by day playing with phone, wife will figure that out on her own :)
 
Oh, you don't have to tell..... If you're spending all evenings day by day playing with phone, wife will figure that out on her own :)

just tell her that you are trying to get your phone to have the best possible voice quality so you can hear her lovely voice better. Then duck because something will probably be flying at your head.
 
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