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All Things Froyo

Shelbster said:
Im curious to hear why someone who wants froyo, or just flash support, isnt using a custom ROM. I'm not being critical, just curious as to the reasons. Is it warranty issues? Bugs?

I'm asking because I've been using flash and froyo for a while now and I'm happy with the results. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks
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Even though I don't own this phone, I see this question often when a phone's at the anticipated release point for something major (like Froyo).

I'd like to chime in so as to short-cut potential arguments in this particular thread (I see a lot of these talks start ok, end that way).

People choose to not go with a third-party rom for many valid reasons:
  • Warranty concerns - and going back to stock doesn't answer the mail for most folks thinking this way
  • Trust issues - for a lot of people, installing 3rd party stuff on an expensive phone based on internet say-so just doesn't cut it
  • Convenience - while pro-3rd party arguments abound, in truth there's nothing more convenient than having your phone (or PC or whatever) wake up one day and say, "Hey - time to update, it's from the maker, this will be easy-peasy."
  • Confidence in support - no one likes having problems, but there's a lot of merit in knowing that you can just walk into your local carrier store and tell 'em to fix it or eat it - without having to jump through any re-configuring so they don't question you
  • Technical issues - what's easy for one person in tech might be impossible for another - this doesn't make one smart and the other one dumb - this is just a difference in skill sets, not worth sweating about, and sometimes non-obvious to those with good tech skills

I think there's your whole list. If you're interested in exploring this further, if I were you I'd start a thread on this over at either The Lounge - Android Forums or Android Lounge - Android Forums - you'll get a better cross-sampling of responses.

If you do that, Ok to post the link here or in a Captivate root area as an invite, IMO.

PS - well - that was the whole list except for the stuff I left out, noted in the posts above! ;)

PPS - Important - I just re-read this - I didn't mean to suggest that you're not all free to discuss merits of getting Froyo by 3rd-party roms here, but I think the way I worded things sounded that way. Way sorry, my bad, no one's perfect, scraping the floor as I bow, etc.
 
EarlyMon, I understand what you are saying here. But I have no interest in "convincing" someone that I am right by flashing ROMs, or that others are wrong. I was really just trying to start a dialogue, which I think is relevant to this thread.

If it's ok with everyone, I'd prefer to keep the dialogue here, as I am only able to speak regarding Captivate froyo ROMS. Thanks
 
Shelbster said:
But I have no interest in "convincing" someone that I am right by flashing ROMs, or that others are wrong.
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I didn't read you that way and it was never my intention to imply otherwise.

I was really just trying to start a dialogue, which I think is relevant to this thread.

If it's ok with everyone, I'd prefer to keep the dialogue here, as I am only able to speak regarding Captivate froyo ROMS. Thanks
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Pls note my PPS - I wasn't trying to restrict the thread - just letting you know about options if you wanted more viewpoints.
 
iffrett said:
Hacking/rooting is not necessary for any phone. Its the same thing as buying a computer, theres no "must" to overclocking. You overclock your computer if you want to and feel like doing it while others dont mind using the stock. Either way, YES using custom roms can help, but it doesnt mean your phone is garbage and totally useless if you dont. Not everybody wants to risk messing up their phone to the point where they don't know where to begin the fix just so they can have some slight advantages.
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I'm certainly not saying the Captivate is garbage without a custom ROM. I am a big fan of the Captivate. I was only asking in reference to people who are waiting for froyo. Obviously not everyone cares about froyo.

For people who do want froyo, I was just curious why they continue to wait for an indefinite period when there is a way to get froyo now.

But I definitely understand your point about messing up the phone. My first foray into flashing had a bad result. It took me a lot of reading on xda to figure out what I did and fix it. I recommend to everyone to understand what they are doing, and what to do if there is a bad result, before flashing.
 
Just a follow up post. I was initially concerned that if I flashed a froyo ROM I would not be able to get the "official" froyo update on my phone for whatever reason.

Now, I no longer want the "official" froyo. I like not having all of the At&T bloatware and restrictions on my phone. It's my phone, I paid for it, why shouldn't I have the option to have it run the way I want.

Obviously there are warranty concerns because of this. It is easy enough to flash back to stock, but I don't know if that stock is good enough to get past the warranty concerns. But that is a conscious choice I made and do not regret. I am definitely enjoying froyo.
 
Google Maps 5.0 will probably convince the stragglers to join us on the dark side. It looks like its really gimped without Froyo.

I agree with you Shelbster; I originally thought I would install cognition and then go back to the official Froyo build when it came out. Well, its been a couple of months now and I don't care when the official release happens. The only update server I need is XDA.

I still feel bad for everyone waiting though. While its fun blaming AT&T for everything, the simple fact is that Samsung is dead last in updating their phones. Hell, even Dell has updated the Streak by now. I'm sure Verizon's approval process is just as convoluted as AT&Ts and Motorola and HTC got all the Droid phones updated almost 6 months ago.
 
Maybe it's me..but it seems like many folks who flash a custom 2.2 rom seem to have a need to post how cool it is..like they are justifying their decision to move from stock..I could be wrong..but ifrett in post #175 put it quite well. The Captivate is an excellent device out of the box.

@segfault, post 181: Pls explain why google maps 5.0 is "gimped without Froyo"?
 
fldude99 said:
Maybe it's me..but it seems like many folks who flash a custom 2.2 rom seem to have a need to post how cool it is..like they are justifying their decision to move from stock..I could be wrong..but ifrett in post #175 put it quite well. The Captivate is an excellent device out of the box.

@segfault, post 181: Pls explain why google maps 5.0 is "gimped without Froyo"?
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I can only speak for myself, but I have no need to justify to anyone what I do with my phone.

I just can't understand why people complain about the wait for official froyo, when there is an alternative to waiting. Thats why I wanted to start a discussion on it. I am NOT trying to tell anyone what to do with their device. Just curious as to the reasons.

If you think the phone is great out of the box (which I have already said I agree with) that's great. The people I see complaining about the wait for froyo don't seem to me to think the phone is great out of the box.

Again, I am not trying to say I am right and non-flashers are wrong. Just trying to satisfy my curiousity.
 
Shelbster said:
Im curious to hear why someone who wants froyo, or just flash support, isnt using a custom ROM. I'm not being critical, just curious as to the reasons. Is it warranty issues? Bugs?

I'm asking because I've been using flash and froyo for a while now and I'm happy with the results. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks
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Warranty. A lot of people laugh at this, but I've had to send my Xbox back to Microsoft 3 times now because of the RROD. Sure, there's a chance if I had to pay for my second xbox that it would have been perfect, but I haven't had to pay a dime since buying my first. It's annoying to send it in and be without it for a few weeks, but they always fix it. What if my phone develops a problem a year from now? I'd rather stay within my warranty.

My phone is worth/costs about twice as much as my xbox. So voiding it's warranty is no petty situation. Even if you could hide the fact that you did it, why bother if the official option is floating just beyond the horizon?
 
The phone is fine out of the box, if you're a casual user and you just want a cool phone. If you want to learn and play with it, though, the limits put on it by AT&T get in the way. That's why I rooted, that's why I'm toying with flashing a ROM, although I'm content to wait a bit more to see if we ever do get Froyo (or get a nice surprise and just hop-skip right to Gingerbread - yea, I know, I'm delusional). I don't do it to be cool, or impress anyone, frankly, no one around me cares!
 
reinbeau said:
The phone is fine out of the box, if you're a casual user and you just want a cool phone. If you want to learn and play with it, though, the limits put on it by AT&T get in the way. That's why I rooted, that's why I'm toying with flashing a ROM, although I'm content to wait a bit more to see if we ever do get Froyo (or get a nice surprise and just hop-skip right to Gingerbread - yea, I know, I'm delusional). I don't do it to be cool, or impress anyone, frankly, no one around me cares!
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LOL, I am the same way. No matter how cool I think my phone is, all I get are yawns when I start talking about it. No one cares. Thats why its good to have a forum like this with other Captivate users.

I am really curious though why you would take the step of rooting, but hesitate when it comes to a custom ROM if you want froyo.
 
Jofaba said:
Warranty. A lot of people laugh at this, but I've had to send my Xbox back to Microsoft 3 times now because of the RROD. Sure, there's a chance if I had to pay for my second xbox that it would have been perfect, but I haven't had to pay a dime since buying my first. It's annoying to send it in and be without it for a few weeks, but they always fix it. What if my phone develops a problem a year from now? I'd rather stay within my warranty.

My phone is worth/costs about twice as much as my xbox. So voiding it's warranty is no petty situation. Even if you could hide the fact that you did it, why bother if the official option is floating just beyond the horizon?
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I'm not laughing at this. I think the warranty issue is certainly a valid one. I made a decision that I was willing to take the chance. I am hopeful that flashing back to stock will allow me to use the warranty if needed. Flashing back to stock is a simple process. If I am right, great. If I am wrong, at least I made an educated decision.
 
@ Shelbster

>>> I am really curious though why you would take the step of rooting, but hesitate when it comes to a custom ROM if you want froyo.

Although you asked this of Ann, for me it's an easy answer. Rooting was pretty much a no-brainer, even before the one-click options were available, e.g., z4root. Five quick steps. Just about risk-free. The decision was made for me knowing that I needed to effect a complete backup with TiBu or MyBackup Pro - a prerequisite to doing other things, like futzing with custom ROMs.

>>> Re: warranty, it has never been of concern. A reset back to stock and voila! I never lost a bit of sleep over concerns whether the corporate store or anyone else would "inspect" the device or know that it was ever rooted.
 
Shelbster said:
LOL, I am the same way. No matter how cool I think my phone is, all I get are yawns when I start talking about it. No one cares. Thats why its good to have a forum like this with other Captivate users.

I am really curious though why you would take the step of rooting, but hesitate when it comes to a custom ROM if you want froyo.
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I haven't flashed yet because no matter what anyone says, the custom ROMs are betas, at best, if not alphas. I've got my eye on a couple, but they're too fluid - I can't spend all my time backing up, wiping and flashing. Rooting isn't just for flashing, however, there are several useful programs that required root. It really isn't a big deal, to root the phone, it was easy as pie.

As for worrying about AT&T finding out, I really don't care. It irks me that they cripple the phone the way they do. Gets my rebel back right up in the air
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I'm going to bite the bullet and flash Cog 2.3b6 sometime in the next few days, unless a decent Nexus S-sourced Gingerbread ROM appears first over at XDA. From all I've read this version of Cog appears to be the most stable. I did consider voodoo as a stand-alone lag fix, but CapFAQ scared me away from it. At least with a full flash I can always thoroughly clean things out by flashing back to whatever. I don't care much about any new eye candy - it's the lags that have become intolerable.
 
Buddha64 said:
The thing about it being 'just beyond the horizon' is that the horizon is always out of reach, so things beyond it as well.
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Well said! But supposedly Samsung has said "by the end of the year", which is just two weeks away, so I will give them at least that much time further.
 
There's a few simple reasons I haven't flashed a custom ROM of Froyo. And they've mostly been pointed out, then rebuffed by saying "you can flash back to stock".

Well, I'm on Rogers in Canada, and reflashing back to stock isn't anywhere as clear cut as it is for most everyone else.

The main reason I don't flash a custom ROM is warranty, especially with all the problems people with Bell's Samsung Vibrant have had with 2.2

I'm of a "wait and see" mindset and being paranoid about my phone.
 
The only thing I know for sure is the more time passes, the more I want to distance myself from relying on Samsung for anything. They're so far removed from their customers as to almost create an us vs. them mentality. So, other than the technical aspects of entertaining a custom ROM, it's become a matter of principle.
 
I've seen September, October, November, and December release dates and now, first quarter of 2011.

One thing that's been overlooked is that the recipe for Cog 2.3b6 has been time-tested, whereas the official Froyo will be "raw" when released - if history is any indication. That's another way of saying that users will be beta testers, and needed fixes will be a long time coming, if ever.

Negative? No.

Realistic? Yes.
 
Jack45 said:
I'm going to bite the bullet and flash Cog 2.3b6 sometime in the next few days, unless a decent Nexus S-sourced Gingerbread ROM appears first over at XDA. From all I've read this version of Cog appears to be the most stable. I did consider voodoo as a stand-alone lag fix, but CapFAQ scared me away from it. At least with a full flash I can always thoroughly clean things out by flashing back to whatever. I don't care much about any new eye candy - it's the lags that have become intolerable.
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Have you considered Assonance? I haven't followed Cog because I kept seeing people with issues - then again, it may be so popular that there would be a wider base to read about problems (most seem to be self-induced). Let me know when you do it and report on how it goes!
 
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