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Battery Questions

I really wonder what people are doing.
I have been streaming npr for the last 2 hours or so over 3G and I am at 74% now.
Been off charge for the last 4 hours.
Got me.

The first day was iffy but it's improved dramatically since then with a few bump charges.
I will probably get a day out of this, easily.

Same here. I'm playing right now. I charged my battery when it was at 10% battery life. It took 2.5 hours for the green light to turn on. I'm now bump charging it (now currently on the 3rd bump charge) and I've been doing that for about another hour (this is the first time I have bump charged it more than once).

I just hope there is some way to recalibrate the battery sensor in the phone. I wonder what deleting battery stats and then performing a battery calibration will accomplish. Downloading root files now...so I'll know soon enough hopefully :D
 
24 hours on a single charge has become a decent benchmark for people with a smartphone. If you can get 2 days then you are doing great. If you can get through a business day...that has become the baseline "good enough" for most people. So do I think 13 hours and 55% battery remaining is decent...yep. Even if it is minimal use.
Most people in a major metropolitan city will not make it through the business day with these specs. Email must be checked at least every 15 minutes at minimum, most will want every 10 minutes. Essentially you must have a charger everywhere you go and it means charging several times a day, which I'm sure is great for the battery.

Explain this - why is the TB battery SMALLER than the Evo? People constantly complained about the battery life with that model... and HTC reduced the power?

Edit: Oh and for continuous use...most smartphones can only watch a maxium of 2 movies (4 hours) before their phone dies. The display is THE MOST battery draining element of this and every other smartphone.
Not close to true, no offense. Take a look at the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 -- both will play 10 hours of video. And yes, I had a 3GS and I could definitely get at least 8 hours of video without question.

So surfing the web constantly with the display always on will kill the phone quickly because the display is always on. I bet I could kill any smartphone with less than a 2000 mAh battery in less than 6 hours...it's easy to do.
How much would you like to bet that you're wrong? As I mentioned, using the iPhone (either model), you're close to that on 3G with much less power. The iPhone 4 is rated for 7 hours with a battery just under 1500mAh.

I hate to say it but as much as you and I want to love this phone but HTC laid a huge egg with the battery - and they must have known about it before launch. Perhaps some idiot said "it's virtually the same capacity as the iPhone so nobody can complain." The only metric they should have looked at is:

10 hours video
7 hours 3G Internet Surfing
... performance metrics...
 
Not close to true, no offense. Take a look at the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 -- both will play 10 hours of video. And yes, I had a 3GS and I could definitely get at least 8 hours of video without question.

I used an iPhone 3GS for 6 months. (2 of them because one died)
I never got more than a day out of my iPhones.
10 hours of video is .. not in the cards.
I never got them to last more than a day without playing videos.

The only phone that I have used that might get use like that is the Droid X.
No iPhone that I had came close to lasting the 2 days i could get out of that thing.
I don't know a soul in these parts that can get more than a day out of an iPhone 4 either.

10 hours of video is a stretch.... a mighty long one.
 
Most people in a major metropolitan city will not make it through the business day with these specs. Email must be checked at least every 15 minutes at minimum, most will want every 10 minutes. Essentially you must have a charger everywhere you go and it means charging several times a day, which I'm sure is great for the battery.

I made it today on 4G all day...moderate use...10 hours. Yesterday, WiFi only (slightly less use but not much less) 20 hours. Charging "several times a day"...sorry, don't see it. But to each their own. If it's not good enough for you, I'm not trying to convince you it is. You know your needs better than I do. It's sufficient for my needs.

Explain this - why is the TB battery SMALLER than the Evo? People constantly complained about the battery life with that model... and HTC reduced the power?

I don't know why HTC put a 1400mAh battery in here vs. the 1500mAh battery found in the EVO. I don't know why the EVO only had a 1500mAh battery instead of a larger one. But I do know that the specs were published before you bought the phone...this isn't a bait and switch tactic.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 1400mAh battery + 4G + 4.3" screen = less than stellar battery life. And that's what I'm seing...less than stellar. Not unusable, not insufficient to make it through a normal day. Again...maybe it's not enough for you...that's your call.


Not close to true, no offense. Take a look at the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 -- both will play 10 hours of video. And yes, I had a 3GS and I could definitely get at least 8 hours of video without question.

Apple is known for superior battery life for video playback. You said it yourself, the iphone can get 5 hours of internet surfing but 10 hours of video playback.

We talking Apple or we talking Android?

I don't mind you disagreeing with me but I've personally confirmed...Motorola Droid, Samsung Fascinate...4 hours of video playback and the phone is dying (and that's in Airplane mode). You can say it's not true if you want...but I've seen it on more than one occasion. Ask me how long a flight from Columbus, OH to Las Vegas, NV is. Now ask me how many times I've flown it... Why do you think I got an Archos 70 with a 7" screen, much larger battery, and it's still only rated at a max of 7 hours of video playback.


How much would you like to bet that you're wrong? As I mentioned, using the iPhone (either model), you're close to that on 3G with much less power. The iPhone 4 is rated for 7 hours with a battery just under 1500mAh.

I was going to quote a previous post you made but on second though...if you don't think I could kill a fully charged iPhone in 6 hours...no offense, but I really don't care ;)

I hate to say it but as much as you and I want to love this phone but HTC laid a huge egg with the battery - and they must have known about it before launch. Perhaps some idiot said "it's virtually the same capacity as the iPhone so nobody can complain." The only metric they should have looked at is:

10 hours video
7 hours 3G Internet Surfing
... performance metrics...

Phone was reportedly delayed due to battery issues so I'm sure they knew about it. They knew when they only had room for a 1400mAh battery. Sorry, but if you are looking for a phone to do 10 hours of video, or 7 hours of 3G internet surfing...you shouldn't have bought this 4G phone.

I hate saying that to you but it's obvious you're not pleased with the battery life. That's cool. But you have options here. I wish it had an 1800mAh battery too. Hell, I wish it had a 2500mAh battery and the device was .2" slimmer. But that's not what it has and complaining about it isn't going to make it any different. "It is what it is"
 
this just keeps going in a circle lol lets just let'it be the battery sucks and there are ways to improve it if you need better battery life then just return it and wait I know your frustrated as am I about this phone but I returned and will just wait for an android phone that can meet my needs where I don't have to put a special code in or rely on a third party app to turn things off ill wait til the right phone with the right battery with the right speed to come'out I'm sure the dual core goodness will b out in april not too much longer s lets all agree to one it might fit their needs to others we were disappointed and continue to wait for companies to play catch up with battery life
 
Well said.

I'm not going to hold a gun to anyone's head and force them to like this phone.

Several threads here remind me of watching a kid fall down and scrape their knee...they act as if the louder they scream, the less it's going to hurt.

I get that some of are disappointed...I'm sorry, I truly am. But complaining about the same thing over and over, isn't going to make it "all better."
 
Some battery recent battery stats:
unplugged: 10h9m
display 61%
android system 13%
angry birds 13%
maps 5%
cell standby 5%
phone idle 4%
akmd 2%
internet 2%

Battery is at 30%
auto synch, wifi, gps, bluetooth and auto brightness is turned off. Brightness slider is set in the middle.
 
To turn 4G on and off, go to the marketplace apps and download Phone Info (it's free). It will allow you to turn 4G on and off really quickly without remembering all those numbers!


Just did a market search, and couldn't find this app. Has it been removed?
 
I was originally going to create a new thread for this post but I waited too long to make it so now that there are a ton of battery life threads I don't think it's a good idea to make another one.

Let me begin by saying I have used numerous Android devices since the OS was very new and there were very few phones on the market. As an enthusiast, understanding how smartphones work and how to tweak them is one of my primary hobbies. I buy new phones way too often :) I've learned a lot over the years and I feel I can share a lot of insight into battery life with you all to help those that are unhappy with it out.

How to improve the battery life of your Thunderbolt(Most of this applies to every Android device):

First and foremost, users need to understand that the Thunderbolt(along with other smartphones) are not really phones, they are hand held computers that have the ability to make phone calls as one of their features. Do not think of it with the simplicity you would think of regarding a phone, think of it like a computer. Just realizing this can go a long way towards helping users figure out a lot of things that are going wrong.

It is possible for a laptop to have several hours of battery life. It is also possible for that same laptop to have 30 minutes of battery life. This kind of difference in battery life in terms of percentage is possible on a smartphone as well. The amount of work you make the device do(whether you know enough about Android to know what you are making your phone do or not) has a significant impact on battery life.

This line here is probably the most important in this entire post: People unknowingly making the phone do a huge amount of work is the cause of poor battery life.

Let's talk apps. Android runs apps(programs), Android can multitask. Apps have several "states" they can be in. A lot of people do not know this.

An app can be in the foreground running full on. This one is easy to tell since it is pretty obvious since the app is on the screen and you are using the app.

An app can be in the background, running full on, ready to be resumed. This happens when you press the home button to leave an app. This allows you to leave a game and resume playing it at the exact same spot in the same level that you left it at. For this to work, the phone has to keep the application alive and more or less running fully and using all of the resources it would normally need(CPU, Ram, etc..).

And finally, there is sleep mode. This happens when you exit an app using the back button on your phone or you exit the app using the exit button within the app if there is one. When an app is in sleep mode, it should consume virtually zero battery. I will repeat: When an app is in sleep mode it should not consume battery(Exceptions can be things that periodically sync such as Facebook or Weather apps). An app in sleep mode merely sits idle, within ram, it consumes no CPU resources or anything that could slow the phone down.(Having 50 apps in sleep mode on your phone will not affect performance. People tend to freak out when they open a task killer up and see all of this stuff, it's not something to worry about.) The reason "exited" apps stay in memory instead of just being "closed" completely is so that if you decide to use the app again in the future, the app is already in ram so loading it will be much quicker. RAM is a lot faster than storage memory.(If you want to test this difference yourself, reboot your phone, open the camera app. That is how long it takes to open the app from storage. Then hit back, then open the camera app again. That is how long it takes to load the same app from RAM) Windows 7 actually does the exact same thing, but it does a good job of hiding it from the user. Android doesn't try to hide it, but unfortunately doesn't make it clear what is actually going on, which causes the confusion.

Confusing the last two states I mentioned is where a significant amount of battery life issues come from. If you exit an app using the home button, your app will still consume battery in the background until you reboot the phone or resume the app and exit the proper way. Not being aware of how exiting an app determines the mode it is in, is why people use task killers.

The main thing to take away from this section is that you use Home to leave an app if you need to do something else and plan to resume the other app shortly. If you use 30 different apps throughout the day and exit from them all using the home button, your battery life is going to suck. If you are done with the app entirely for now, exit the app through its menus or get to the main menu of the app and then press the Back button on your phone.

The next few section is just a bunch of little things for helping battery life that altogether can make a decent difference.

Screen brightness on auto is not battery efficient. I suggest turning it on manual and setting it to about 1/3rd brightness and leaving it there.

Turn off phone vibration for anything but phone calls(Could do phone calls too but I need it on since I have my phone on silent a lot). Each time your phone vibrates, it has to run a mechanical motor. It may seem insignificant at first, however, over the course of the day, the phone running that motor every time you hit a button or type a button on the keyboard really adds up.

Turn off unimportant syncs, consider changing your usage habits to accommodate. The phone by default has some silly syncs enabled(News, Stocks, Weather). Personally I suggest shutting these off completely. I understand leaving the Weather one on if you are a big fan of the widget. I personally turn them all off. When I want to check weather, I open a weather app that refreshes only when I open the app. I don't have Facebook set to sync at all either. When I want to check Facebook, I open the app.

How many of you use Google Talk? If you do not use Google Talk, open the app, go to settings, uncheck automatically sign in. Then hit back, menu, sign out. One less thing to send and receive data for no reason. This is a little one a lot of people omit when trying to squeeze battery out of their phone.

Wireless settings: Unless you are using Bluetooth or Wifi currently, turn them off. Having Wifi enabled only saves battery life if you are actively using it instead of 3G. Having it enabled while the phone is asleep consumes battery. This is because the radio is constantly broadcasting and checking for wifi connectivity. Same deal with Bluetooth. Turn it on when you use it, off when you are finished. GPS you can leave on. Its "sleep" mode does not consume battery because it does not have to constantly check for a signal. It actually waits until something needs GPS to actually run.

Location aware stuff: This is primarily about the web browser but some other apps may apply. I disable the location aware setting for the web browser. This is so that the phone doesn't turn on the GPS and establish a connection every time I open the browser up. Over time having this off vs on can be a pretty reasonable difference in battery consumption.

Most of you probably already do this but push the power button to put your phone into sleep mode before you put your phone away. The screen is by far the largest consumer of power on the device. The minute or two you save each time adds up over the course of a long day.

Live wallpapers consume additional battery life.

Unless you really care about it, disable geotags when using the camera.

That's about all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure I am forgetting some more stuff. Being aware of all of this can really help get the most out of the device. I hope it helps some people.
 
I used an iPhone 3GS for 6 months. (2 of them because one died)
I never got more than a day out of my iPhones.
10 hours of video is .. not in the cards.
I never got them to last more than a day without playing videos.
Not true. I tested everything - the problem I had with the iPhone was not that the Video didn't last -- it did for at least 8-9 hours, no question. I tested it. The problem was that Steve Jobs thinks that you should always be connected and it drains the battery. For example, if you just want to look at email the iPhone OS will check for new email every time. No way to turn that off and send/receive manually. Frustrating. Still, there is no question that I could get 4-4.5 hours of 3G Internet usage too. Supposedly that is up at least an hour or two with the iPhone 4. However, combining (a) Internet usage given the above, and (b) talk time, and (c) mp3 playing during the commute, I was just able to get through a full day but not without worrying about the battery all the time. The problem here is that (1) the Thunderbolt battery is even smaller than the iPhone 4 and the Evo, and (2) it's not nearly as efficient.

I don't know a soul in these parts that can get more than a day out of an iPhone 4 either. 10 hours of video is a stretch.... a mighty long one.
As I said, not a stretch to get 9 hours at all. I've tested it. The problem is the data connection. Once again, TB has smallest battery around, not energy efficient and 4G is known to suck the life out of the battery. I personally think someone intended (a) that it will limit 4G usage, and (b) every owner will be forced to buy the huge, non-contoured extended battery. I haven't seen it yet as it was ordered but I've been told that it's not like the Incredible and poorly designed for this phone. I love the phone otherwise but hopefully enough people will give VZW he77 about the specs being off on this phone in so many regards that they will have to do something about it.
 
Good write up, thanks! I do have one thing to add however.

Wireless settings: Unless you are using Bluetooth or Wifi currently, turn them off. Having Wifi enabled only saves battery life if you are actively using it instead of 3G. Having it enabled while the phone is asleep consumes battery. This is because the radio is constantly broadcasting and checking for wifi connectivity. Same deal with Bluetooth. Turn it on when you use it, off when you are finished. GPS you can leave on. Its "sleep" mode does not consume battery because it does not have to constantly check for a signal. It actually waits until something needs GPS to actually run.

WiFi has been using considerably less battery than 4G does in my experience. If you disable WiFi and you are in a 4G area, you will not see battery savings...in fact, you will see more battery consumption. And honestly, I have not noticed a significant difference with being connected to WiFi vs. 3G with previous devices. If you are not on WiFi and do not have WiFi available then you want to make sure WiFi is turned off cause it's unnecessarily polling wireless signals every 15 seconds (one of the first things ROM devs do is change that setting from 15 seconds to 60-120 seconds).
 
Wifi is more battery efficient than either 3G or 4G, by a pretty considerable amount. Having it on when idle doesn't consume a lot, but it does consume some. I may have worded it not as clearly as I should have, but I do believe we are on the same page. If you are in an area where you have the option to use wifi, you should always be using it. If you are not using the Wifi function it is better to turn it off. The savings are not significant, but they are there.
 
I am looking into buying an extra battery for my thunderbolt and found some on eBay. Some obviously look like crap, but found a few that might not be. Would like some feedback before I buy.

USA - Seller $25 (w/ charger)
NEW Thunderbolt Battery+Travel Charger F Verizon HTC - eBay (item 180629169320 end time Mar-22-11 12:08:46 PDT)

OEM?? $25 ( no charger)
OEM Replacement Battery Verizon HTC Thunderbolt BD42100 - eBay (item 360345358396 end time Apr-18-11 12:42:14 PDT)

Can't tell what the true mAh is $15
New CELL PHONE Battery For HTC THUNDERBOLT 4G VERIZON - eBay (item 180634234826 end time Apr-01-11 11:48:40 PDT)

The rest I found were all Chinese 3 batteries plus charger for $12 which is obviously too good to be true.

I am thinking about getting the battery from the first one (USA Seller)

Feedback is appreciated thanks!
 
Guess I've gotten really lucky. Off the charger at 7:30am. A 5 minute phone call, 25ish texts, 20 minutes web, installed a few apps, a tango test call, 7 emails, 4g on the whole time and its 8:17pm and i still have 55% battery.
what are your sync and brightness settings?
 
Standby can consume a lot of your battery. Gmail is constantly syncing, apps are syncing data, weather, newsfeeds, etc. The market searches for updates to your installed applications, polling WiFi signals, etc. Standby isn't standby like it was on old flip phones.

You think a DroidX really gets 220 hours of standby time? It doesn't. That is cellular standby time and cellular standby time only. If you had your data turned off (completely off...no 3G, no 4G, no 1X data)...no apps syncing, screen always off...then, and only then, would you see high standby times like that.

220 hours is over 9 days. Go find someone with a Droid X that gets 9 days...Scratch that, go find someone with a Droid X that gets 3 days out of one charge on a stock battery :) You won't...because no one with a smart uses their phone for just voice.

24 hours on a single charge has become a decent benchmark for people with a smartphone. If you can get 2 days then you are doing great. If you can get through a business day...that has become the baseline "good enough" for most people.

So do I think 13 hours and 55% battery remaining is decent...yep. Even if it is minimal use.

Edit: Oh and for continuous use...most smartphones can only watch a maxium of 2 movies (4 hours) before their phone dies. The display is THE MOST battery draining element of this and every other smartphone. So surfing the web constantly with the display always on will kill the phone quickly because the display is always on. I bet I could kill any smartphone with less than a 2000 mAh battery in less than 6 hours...it's easy to do.

Just a counter point. OG Droid was my old phone, I could let it sit for two weeks with just occasional wifi use :D :D

My DX can last two days, but not with anything like tango or fring running. It seems like there's a ton of Thunderbolt users getting amazing battery life! The few others must be running ATK's and leaving up apps that use gps when they don't need to be up, which is 100% their fault!
 
bump charging your phone makes a BIG difference! at least it has for me. i was angry every time i unplugged phone and saw it drop to 95% or lower in a couple minutes.
after i bumped it for the first time i was amazed how long it took for it to go back up to 100%. it truly makes the battery last longer! :)
 
bump charging your phone makes a BIG difference! at least it has for me. i was angry every time i unplugged phone and saw it drop to 95% or lower in a couple minutes.
after i bumped it for the first time i was amazed how long it took for it to go back up to 100%. it truly makes the battery last longer! :)

Software will usually calibrate. Say the nominal shutoff is 7.2 volts, charger gets it barely to 7.2, software sees this at the peak nom, drops the voltage fairly quickly and it reports 95%.

Bump it a few times, and you might get to 7.4v, and it could be a solid 7.4v for a while. Nothing wrong with this with modern lithium batteries. At least you don't have to discharge to a certain degree like with older nimh batteries!

Actually there's a whole charging field on these batteries, you can bump them much more but at the risk of the pack getting puffy or exploding!
 
Software will usually calibrate. Say the nominal shutoff is 7.2 volts, charger gets it barely to 7.2, software sees this at the peak nom, drops the voltage fairly quickly and it reports 95%.

Bump it a few times, and you might get to 7.4v, and it could be a solid 7.4v for a while. Nothing wrong with this with modern lithium batteries. At least you don't have to discharge to a certain degree like with older nimh batteries!

Actually there's a whole charging field on these batteries, you can bump them much more but at the risk of the pack getting puffy or exploding!

:eek:
 
I am getting around a day now.
I used the phone for literally 3 hours straight watching youtube videos of guys running around towns with train horns in their car scaring the crap out of people. :D

I spent about 30-40 minutes on the phone before that.

I read about this T-Mobile buyout for about 40 minutes then read the forums with the phandroid app.

it's @ 11% and whining to be charged.
It's been unplugged since last night and I am creeping up on the 24 hour mark with moderate use.
All 3G btw....

I can live with this battery life.
Nowhere as good as the Droid X but it's getting about halfway there.
 
I want to buy a high grade, and efficient battery for my Thunderbolt. Also I don't want to buy the extended battery for this phone because it's just way too bulky and unappealing. Does anyone know of a brand that's known for it's great batteries?
 
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