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Discuss all Moto Droid Razr/Maxx HD rumors/release date/speculation/news

I just find it hard to believe Moto goes without a phablet challenging device of any sort. Particularly when SIII is now kinda a small phablet rather than the size of a traditional smartphone.

Everything leaked on the RAZR HD just make it seem not so grand compared to something like the SIII or Note II.. Particularly where you have all the nifty Wacom things that are starting to look more and more useful with NoteII better digitizer and software. I thought the digitizer on a smartphone thing seemed like a total gimmick with the Note, but with Note II and the extra capability and uses, it's STARTING to look like something more compelling. Little bit of gimmick left I suppose.

Well, Moto hasn't been that big on making huge phones in the past. They've usually been about "look how thin it is" and not "this could replace your tv".

As far as September 5th is concerned, I don't think the edge to edge display will show up there. That looks like it will show up in London two weeks later. The invite says it all.

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Well, Moto hasn't been that big on making huge phones in the past. They've usually been about "look how thin it is" and not "this could replace your tv".

As far as September 5th is concerned, I don't think the edge to edge display will show up there. That looks like it will show up in London two weeks later. The invite says it all.

Well, the S3 is WAY thin as it is. Need to compare it to the RAZR. I am thinking it is as thin if not actually thinner and has a larger battery.
I was actually wanting the HD, but the more I play with the S3 and more I hear about the HD the less likely I am to get it. S3 bootloader is unlocked on Verizon now so there are no any real limitations for it.
 
I had the SIII for 1 month and it broke on one drop. Something my RAZR never did after multiple drops.
I switched back over to the RAZR, and actually was so happy I did. Motorola interface is so much better to use. The corporate email on the Samsung is a joke and looks like its for a toy, not a corporate user. And I hate the physical button on the Samsung, which lags about 2 seconds.

I'm ready for the RAZR HD, because a great screen is all it really needs for me.
 
Great screen...amen! Glad it's not going to be AMOLED (I hope).
 
I had the SIII for 1 month and it broke on one drop. Something my RAZR never did after multiple drops.
I switched back over to the RAZR, and actually was so happy I did. Motorola interface is so much better to use. The corporate email on the Samsung is a joke and looks like its for a toy, not a corporate user. And I hate the physical button on the Samsung, which lags about 2 seconds.

I'm ready for the RAZR HD, because a great screen is all it really needs for me.

One drop breaks can happen to any phone. My wife has dropped and broken her MAXX twice. Told her next time it will be a full price replacement since she already has 2 Assurion claims for the year. Dog has gotten entangled in my charger cord 3 times pulling it off the end table twice onto a tile floor and once off the dresser (puppyitis, she's only 3 months old and 45lbs and lots of clumsy legs :D). No breakage yet to mine, and I keep mine naked . Touchwiz sucks, but since I'm running CyanogenMod 10 (Jelly bean) I don't have to worry about that :cool:.
I tend to lean towards Motorola phones, but the HD is really gonna have to knock my socks off to get me to get it. For me the S3 has been a decent phone, but I don't need corporate mail since I'm retired at the ripe age of 48.
 
Well, the S3 is WAY thin as it is. Need to compare it to the RAZR. I am thinking it is as thin if not actually thinner and has a larger battery.
I was actually wanting the HD, but the more I play with the S3 and more I hear about the HD the less likely I am to get it. S3 bootloader is unlocked on Verizon now so there are no any real limitations for it.

Signal strength is a major limiter for the S3 vs motorola phones. I went to my local verizon store where I found there is weak 4g. The S3 barely pickedup 4g signal though. None of the galaxy nexus phones could get it at all, but mine got it long enough for 1 speed test in the parking lot. The motorola phones got signal about 8-16x stronger on 4g and 16x stronger on 3g as well. 3g on most phones showed -62 dbm, while the samsung phones showed -75dbm, and on 4g got -105 dbm on 4g on motorola droid razr, and -117 dbm on the s3. Now -117dbm shouldn't be an unusable signal, it is about equivalent to -95dbm on 3g, due to differences in RSSI and RSRP, the methods of signal strength measurement for the two technologies, but -117 is weak enough to drop out of 4g oddly enough.
 
Signal strength is a major limiter for the S3 vs motorola phones. I went to my local verizon store where I found there is weak 4g. The S3 barely pickedup 4g signal though. None of the galaxy nexus phones could get it at all, but mine got it long enough for 1 speed test in the parking lot. The motorola phones got signal about 8-16x stronger on 4g and 16x stronger on 3g as well. 3g on most phones showed -62 dbm, while the samsung phones showed -75dbm, and on 4g got -105 dbm on 4g on motorola droid razr, and -117 dbm on the s3. Now -117dbm shouldn't be an unusable signal, it is about equivalent to -95dbm on 3g, due to differences in RSSI and RSRP, the methods of signal strength measurement for the two technologies, but -117 is weak enough to drop out of 4g oddly enough.

Signal was one of the major reasons I dropped the Nexus for the Razr Maxx. I was constantly having connection issues and call issues. The signal on my Razr Maxx has been rock solid though. I was in Rocky Mountain National Park today and actually had 4g (-105 dBm) all the way up to 7k feet. It dropped down to 3g (-107 dBm) at 10k feet and didn't lose signal until we hit 11k. My Nexus would lose signal completely at a little over 5k.
 
Signal was one of the major reasons I dropped the Nexus for the Razr Maxx. I was constantly having connection issues and call issues. The signal on my Razr Maxx has been rock solid though. I was in Rocky Mountain National Park today and actually had 4g (-105 dBm) all the way up to 7k feet. It dropped down to 3g (-107 dBm) at 10k feet and didn't lose signal until we hit 11k. My Nexus would lose signal completely at a little over 5k.

Yes, same here. I returned my SIII for poor signal also. I compared side by side my wifes Razr maxx to the S3 and there was a HUGE difference.
Maxx 2-3 bar 4G, NO DATA at all on S3 in the same exact location.
That and the screen being dim, and the No BT with headphone jack plugged in.

Don't post about poor signals in the S3 forum as they will chew you head off saying it's the best and you obviously have a bad phone or live in a fringe area. It certainly isn't the phone.
 
Don't post about poor signals in the S3 forum as they will chew you head off saying it's the best and you obviously have a bad phone or live in a fringe area. It certainly isn't the phone.


That seems to be a common response from certain Samsung enthusiasts. It's partly why user feedback is getting harder to rely on for advice. Same story with GNex...months of denial. I really like some of the bells and whistles on Samsung devices, but...
 
That seems to be a common response from certain Samsung enthusiasts. It's partly why user feedback is getting harder to rely on for advice. Same story with GNex...months of denial. I really like some of the bells and whistles on Samsung devices, but...

Ya, I don't get it. I understand these are very expensive phones and who would want to look down on their purchase. People just shoot you over "your" opinions like you are a fool.

I didn't like the screen being very dim:
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This pic was against my DX and the S3. I have looked at 4 different S3 and all were exactly the same.
Wow, post this on the S3 forum and they slaughtered it.
1) It's plenty bright at 50%
2) Defective S3 (after looking at 4 different ones)
3) You don't need it that bright
4) you didn't change all the setting to the max (base/internet/color) etc.
5) bla bla bla

It was my opinion with a photo to back it up...but the S3 is the greatest thing to man kind.

I'm ready for the RHD....or Note II. Supposedly it's a bit brighter than the Note 1.
 
I've had a SIII for a month now, and its certainly a dim screen. I think factory does it on purpose to extend the battery life (battery life is good btw). But its really hard to see outdoors. I set it on bright 100% all the time and it was never really bright.
 
Ya, I don't get it. I understand these are very expensive phones and who would want to look down on their purchase. People just shoot you over "your" opinions like you are a fool.


I once said that a BlackBerry was everything I ever wanted in a smartphone, but that was before I knew what a smartphone could do. With many users this is a similar situation. You can't know about something if you are blind to it. That blindness can come from not knowing any better or rather not having enough experience to know better. You can't make a list of the things you don't know because you don't know what you don't know. That blindness can also come from being over shinyed.

The first type of blindness is more or less just being ignorant to something. I was blind in this way with the reception on the Galaxy Nexus. I'd never really experienced 4G before so I wasn't aware that I was having reception issues until I had another phone to compare. Once I was using the Razr Maxx I could easily see that the Nexus had issues. This is also a common blindness for people when it comes to owning their first or second Android device. Without having too much experience they don't know the difference between something working properly and something that isn't. Many could assume that all Android phones have problem X because they are experiencing it. This causes a bit of denial and a shrug of the shoulders with regards to problem X until they possibly get a phone that does not have this problem.

The second type of blindness is typically a form of denial. Just like little John's mother refusing to see that her son is on drugs, people refuse to see that their high priced piece of tech has issues. After all it is just as much their baby. The latest and greatest has to be perfect, right? The people reporting these problems have to have a defective phone, right? There are so many people that love this phone it can't be having these problems.

The truth is that all tech has problems. Some are willing to overlook the problems that they have due to other features. I tried this with the Nexus, but couldn't take it after a while. Some problems are also geographical. I experienced this with the Fascinate. It worked great in Atlanta, but performed very poorly in Colorado. Some problems are user error.

As I've said a few times, I will probably never own another Samsung product while I am on Verizon's network. I've seen issues with every one that I've owned. This doesn't mean that I think Samsung makes a bad product though. I just don't think they work for me or my location.

In the end, if someone isn't having a problem with their device due to blindness or simply because they really have something that is 100% for them all you can do is smile and wish them the best. To me, it is really like arguing with someone who tells me that the iPhone is better than my Razr Maxx or that Motorola phones suck because of locked bootloaders. I don't want an iPhone and I'm happy with stock so neither of those matter to me right now. Like we always tell people, if you have the right phone for you, then everything is good.
 
^Amazing post OTD..... I learned somewhat by mistake that all phones aren't created equal. I was about to leave Verizon in 2008 or 2009 cuz I thought their service was getting bad.....turns out it was my phone. Have been a big Motorola fan ever since.

I just seen a video of the RAZR M and it looks like the screen goes all the way to the bezel. On my RAZR, there is a thick black border before the bezel.

I assume this is edge to edge. Now...can a phone manufacture make the bezel smaller, like the razor thin LED TV's? Sometimes it looks like the picture is floating in the air.
 
The first type of blindness is more or less just being ignorant to something. I was blind in this way with the reception on the Galaxy Nexus. I'd never really experienced 4G before so I wasn't aware that I was having reception issues until I had another phone to compare. Once I was using the Razr Maxx I could easily see that the Nexus had issues.

Adding to that (and related) many satisfied GNex owners don't live in 4G areas. So they weigh in on how they aren't having issues when there's really no correlation to the problems I was having with it.

The Motorola/Intel "Edge" event in London on 9/18 is VERY intriguing. :D
 
I have a galaxy nexus right now. Compared to my droid X it definitely picks up signal more weakly. Sometimes it will see 2 bars but isn't able to connect for some reason. Also won't pick up 4G where my brother's droid 3 will. Motorola will definitely be my next phone
 
Sorry for not really knowing how things like this usually happen, but I don't really watch new phone releases unless I happen to be due for a new one. Except for a brief misguided employer induced stint with a Blackberry, I've owned nothing but Motorola mobile phones starting with my bag-phone over 20 years ago. I have my sights on the razr HD. I currently carry a Bionic which is fine but carries like a small brick.

My question is...do we expect the announcement tomorrow to be: a) get down to your local verizon store on Friday and get your new RHD, or b) here's a peek at the new RHD, preorders will start in October and you should see them around Thanksgiving?
 
Sorry for not really knowing how things like this usually happen, but I don't really watch new phone releases unless I happen to be due for a new one. Except for a brief misguided employer induced stint with a Blackberry, I've owned nothing but Motorola mobile phones starting with my bag-phone over 20 years ago. I have my sights on the razr HD. I currently carry a Bionic which is fine but carries like a small brick.

My question is...do we expect the announcement tomorrow to be: a) get down to your local verizon store on Friday and get your new RHD, or b) here's a peek at the new RHD, preorders will start in October and you should see them around Thanksgiving?

Definitely not (a). Yes to some form of (b). Supposed to be available in October, based on rumors, which gives them time to train people and test things. Oh and promote the HD as the next iKiller. ;)
 
Adding to that (and related) many satisfied GNex owners don't live in 4G areas. So they weigh in on how they aren't having issues when there's really no correlation to the problems I was having with it.

The Motorola/Intel "Edge" event in London on 9/18 is VERY intriguing. :D

Hah. 3G is a bigger GNex issue than 4g in my experience.
 
That pic up above showing the Moto and Sammy together is NOT a fair comparison of the normal GS3. In the poster's defense, a demo unit at a local VZW had showed the same issue, but VZW staff factory reset the device and the issue went away.

The only objective thing I can say ATM is I prefer NO fixed navigation and battery. The GS3 has more user display space and battery options. Besides that, no way of knowing anything else until it actually releases. Seems obvious it will be a great device- if you do not mind the fixed nav bar and battery.
 
Verizon forced me into the Sammy SIII by threatening to take away my unlimited service. I'm coming from a DroidX and my impression of the Samsung SIII is MEH! The screen is too dim to see well on a cloudy day much less a sunny day. THere is no doubt the auto brightness setting keeps it very dim to save the battery. I don't like the Tduche Wiz and of course, VZ locks it all down so you're basically stuck with it. I'm praying Sammy unleashes Jelly Bean because it's much better than ICS, but we all know that Samsung is a sloth, so we probably won't get JB for good long time. THe build quality is nowhere near compatible to Moto. I'm not gonna go into a fully anal comparison, but I'll just say I might sell the S III and put up some more dough and buy the Razr HD id it's a winner. Unfortunately, the Sammy's price is gonna plummet once the new Razr is released.
 
That pic up above showing the Moto and Sammy together is NOT a fair comparison of the normal GS3. In the poster's defense, a demo unit at a local VZW had showed the same issue, but VZW staff factory reset the device and the issue went away.

The only objective thing I can say ATM is I prefer NO fixed navigation and battery. The GS3 has more user display space and battery options. Besides that, no way of knowing anything else until it actually releases. Seems obvious it will be a great device- if you do not mind the fixed nav bar and battery.

Yep, no one that owns a S3 will dissmiss their purchase...
That is why that is a photo from the 4th "different" one I've tested.
1) T-mobile
2) Mine (returned)
3) ATT
4) VZW at two different stores.

Now who is next to tell me I didn't have everything set to max?
 
Verizon forced me into the Sammy SIII by threatening to take away my unlimited service. I'm coming from a DroidX and my impression of the Samsung SIII is MEH! The screen is too dim to see well on a cloudy day much less a sunny day. THere is no doubt the auto brightness setting keeps it very dim to save the battery. I don't like the Tduche Wiz and of course, VZ locks it all down so you're basically stuck with it. I'm praying Sammy unleashes Jelly Bean because it's much better than ICS, but we all know that Samsung is a sloth, so we probably won't get JB for good long time. THe build quality is nowhere near compatible to Moto. I'm not gonna go into a fully anal comparison, but I'll just say I might sell the S III and put up some more dough and buy the Razr HD id it's a winner. Unfortunately, the Sammy's price is gonna plummet once the new Razr is released.


Ya, I understand the whole unlimited data thing. That is why I got the S3 to replace my DX. I returned it. Next phone Note 2 or RHD will be full retail so it will have to be a dam good phone to get my $600-$750 cash!
 

Yeah. Droid-Life had these also. Confused why the M has the edge to edge display that rivals any other phone, but the HD is just a decent reduction in bezel from the huge OG RAZR?? This picture marginalizes the difference a bit also as I think the HD is downsized in it to look a bit more similar in size to the M than it really is.

It almost makes the M the more attractive device if it doesn't have some surprise shortcoming with it's camera or something compared to the HD. Particularly when the HD will probably carry a lot steeper price.

BTW, MS/Nokia really seem to be targeting Google/Moto today. The Lumia 920 and 820 are not wildly different in targets to these two devices. From a hardware perspective I think I actually prefer the Nokia's if there aren't any grand surprises with these two. The Nokia polarized screen and optically stabilized camera are trump cards for it's hardware in my opinion as close as the rest are. Add Nokia's better map/nav tech than google and a possibility WP8 steps up in not yet fully understood way and Moto has some real competition here if Nokia can get these on all the major networks. Nokia already just as well respected for voice and reception capability as Moto has ever been also. Really do think if MS/Nokia start to erode Android market share these devices are going to hurt Motorola more than anyone else. The large Samsungs are just targeting other people and they have WP8 also in larger screened SIII derivative version than these Nokia's which are sized more with Moto.
 
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