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Droid X 2.3 update

bigshotproducer said:
You all see this from P3?





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Good evening: This just in - DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TAKE THE 4.5.596 update if you want to stay rooted. Dont do it.

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Gingerbreak 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 are not working. Also rules have changed - YOU WILL NEED TO BE ON FROYO (2.3.340) to get the update.

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OR YOU CAN WAIT FOR TBH to get you a solution.

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Does this mean to stay rooted NOW? Or, does this mean we accept the OTA, that's it, we won't be able to root our phones ever again and forget about using Z4root?
 
GSX said:
Does this mean to stay rooted NOW? Or, does this mean we accept the OTA, that's it, we won't be able to root our phones ever again and forget about using Z4root?
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z4Root has never worked on GB and never will.

I think he means if you want to stay rooted for the time being stay on one of the rooted leaks. Until someone comes out with a rooted safe version of the official OTA. Also they will want to verify when the OTA comes out that you are still able to SBF.

Personally i think the credibility of P3's ninja ...has taken a slight hit with this.
 
Hrethgir said:
Actually, on Froyo, the update would pop up and ask if you wanted it, but it had a timer on it, and if you didn't decline it during that time, it would start downloading automatically. I know when I put my DX into my locker at the end of my first break, it was on Eclair, and when I came out for my second break, it was over halfway done downloading Froyo. After it downloaded, it asked if I wanted to install it and had the timer again. I just accepted it and figured I would finish it up.
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I was in Vegas and had my DX set for my alarm to get up at 5 am to make our flight home. Unfortunately, it did the autoupdate during the night and it didn't take, leaving me on the boot screen, and killing my alarm. We missed our flight costing us $800 for an extra night and flights..... so at least for me it DID try to auto update and it cost me dearly. My own fault for not having a wakeup call for the hotel too, but I've never had an issue with my DX alarm not going off before or after this.
 
While I am looking forward to GB and appreciate the comments from those who have shared what they found on the leaked versions, I'm going to wait until there is a verified, working root for the OTA before I accept the upgrade. I'm now too used to a rooted, overclocked/undervolted, wireless-tetherable hotspot that fits in my pocket. While Froyo 2.2.1 isn't perfect, it does the job pretty well all things considered, including the current crop of competition.

My Droid X in its current configuration is awesome, so much better than any phone I've had, tried or looked at. And big thanks to everyone who has had positive ideas/suggestions to share here (Steven58, that includes you!) :D
 
Per this article:

Are the Days of Rooting Android Phones Coming to an End? - Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog


  1. March 2011: Verizon and another major carrier seem to be tracking rooted phones by seeing who has not accepted updates. They also seem to be doing this as of right now, meaning you could be on their list if you have a rooted device. New builds for phones will include a tracking code which if removed, could potentially leave your phone lifeless without data or voice access. The overall goal here is for carriers to lock down devices tighter than ever, but then provide 1-2 dev devices each year for those of us that wish to actually enjoy our phones.
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Will delaying taking the update put you on Verizon's sh!t list? What might the ramifications of being discovered as rooted be?
 
Impossible that there will be reprisals from Verizon for delaying taking the ota. Why? I'm still meeting people at the gym, who never took the 2.2.1 update! I have to show them how!

If they did take action against this group, they'd be snaring the rooted and the electronically ignorant. Not good business strategy!
 
Probably the only real reason they care about people rooting is the free hotspot capability while rooted. I doubt that not accepting an update is putting anyone on a shitlist either.
 
What matters is the TOS. If it says you must run a specific firmware or that the phone you bought and paid full tax on is not yours then I see a problem. At worst they would cancel my contract. I'm still on 2.3.9. At that point I would buy whatever the latest Nexus is and buy a pay as you go sim. Over/under clocking and occasional tether are the only things I need root for. VZW gouges for their service considering that Metro charges half for unlimited everything. VZW world service offerings are a joke, not that the phones work anywhere. Tethering 2gig for $20/mo when I only need it once every few months is a joke.

The Galaxy S is a perfectly good phone with good battery life and build.
 
they can't do anything legally against you for being rooted...your ability to root is protected under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
 
yeah after reading some of the comments at DL its probably just a freak thing. Plus someone brought up a good point it's probably just because the servers themselves are busy because of the update going out to the Xoom.
 
Metfanant said:
they can't do anything legally against you for being rooted...your ability to root is protected under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
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I believe what you say to be 100% true. I'm looking at AT&T and how they busted people for using unauthorized tethering. I believe they were sniffing the packets and then sent warnings to those who were tethering without paying telling them to stop or get charged. Nobody broke the law but they may have violated their TOS.

If Verizon cops the same attitude, then perhaps by not taking an update you pop up on their radar for further consideration. I haven't heard of them doing that. Verizon is the biggest nickel & diming company out there so it wouldn't surprise me if they went down that path.

The bottom line for me is I don't know. At the moment I'm completely stock and once Gingerbread hits and it becomes rootable (hopefully), I'll go back to rooted. The potential for getting caught is a risk, however small, which folks should be aware of.
 
RichSz said:
I believe what you say to be 100% true. I'm looking at AT&T and how they busted people for using unauthorized tethering. I believe they were sniffing the packets and then sent warnings to those who were tethering without paying telling them to stop or get charged. Nobody broke the law but they may have violated their TOS.

If Verizon cops the same attitude, then perhaps by not taking an update you pop up on their radar for further consideration. I haven't heard of them doing that. Verizon is the biggest nickel & diming company out there so it wouldn't surprise me if they went down that path.

The bottom line for me is I don't know. At the moment I'm completely stock and once Gingerbread hits and it becomes rootable (hopefully), I'll go back to rooted. The potential for getting caught is a risk, however small, which folks should be aware of.
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rooting and tethering is a whole different argument though...the tethering topic has really been beaten to death...and there are places to discuss that...

but at the end of the day....

rooting is legal...unauthorized tethering not only breaks your TOS, but is a theft of services...and likely could be prosecuted if the carrier felt the need to do so...
 
GB seems to spy on tethering services now too. Not sure what else it spies on. Gingerbread leaves a foul taste in my mouth!
 
I agree that tethering is violation of tos. Theft of service might be a stretch. After all we are paying for the data that flows. If you don't want to use vzw text messaging and use google send texts, is that theft of service? If you use google nav and don't pay for vz nav, is that theft of service? If you surf the net but stream the output to another device like a tv via hdmi, is that theft? Not.trying to argue, just point out the ambiguity.
 
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I agree that tethering is violation of tos. Theft of service might be a stretch. After all we are paying for the data that flows. If you don't want to use vzw text messaging and use google send texts, is that theft of service? If you use google nav and don't pay for vz nav, is that theft of service? If you surf the net but stream the output to another device like a tv via hdmi, is that theft? Not.trying to argue, just point out the ambiguity.
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again...you will notice in your data plan that your data only applies to authorized devices on your plan...sending texts, using Google Maps, or the HDMI port is still your device using data...

tethering allows unauthorized devices to access Verizon's network...that is the difference
 
How about you download a file to your phone and then copy it to your laptop over a usb cable. Would that be theft of service then as it is just what tethering does packet by packet instead of file by file?

This is where opinion and gray areas start to mix and people have to decide for themselves what the legal aspect is vs. contractual. Therefore, I say that you are right and I am wrong. Either way they can charge people for tethering if they can and that is a liability.
 
Lars said:
How about you download a file to your phone and then copy it to your laptop over a usb cable. Would that be theft of service then as it is just what tethering does packet by packet instead of file by file?

This is where opinion and gray areas start to mix and people have to decide for themselves what the legal aspect is vs. contractual. Therefore, I say that you are right and I am wrong. Either way they can charge people for tethering if they can and that is a liability.
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The USB file transfer comparison isn't even close to the same thing ...you're not using VZWs bandwidth or services to do it...with tethering you are...
 
The scenario was, you need a file on your laptop that is on the internet. Maybe a movie or video.
Scenario 1: You tether the phone to the laptop and the phone relays the file packets using a wifi tether app to the laptop. "Illegal"
Scenario 2: You download the file to the phone, then you connect the phone to the laptop and transfer the file to the laptop. "Illegal or not?"

It is the same result so I see gray areas. Early wired ISPs struggled with this dilema too. People would have one computer on dialup internet and then use ICS in windows. For a brief time the ISPs tried to make that not allowed and then realized that everyone and their router was doing it. They gave in to reason and started selling home gateways themselves.

Wireless providers haven't come around. Their $29 data plan costs them pennys in actual cost but just like the gps debacle and VZ nav, they will fleece what they can. It's a shame that Gingerbread is actually helping them go backwards in this respect. My fear is that google's delicious deserts are starting to spoil with the help of locked bootloaders, htc's RO partitions and kernals that "auto heal" themselves on boot.
 
A family is walking on the train tracks and they don't see a train speeding up behind them. You can flick a switch to divert the train to a side track but it will run over an old man walking on that track. What do you do?

Same family, track and train but now you are standing on a bridge overhead with the old man. You can stop the train by pushing the man off the bridge onto the tracks. What do you do now?

Different, but the same outcome, hence the same.
 
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