Droid X Vs. Incredible

[Ryobi]

The link for that test? The ones I seen the X passed with flying colors. The Droid? Its very hard to make it lose bars, decibels, a signal.

Users on here that had the Inc and EVO said they get better reception. I get better reception than my Droid that had a Froyo baseband that gave me better reception than when I was running 2.1

I actually never seen an Inc have that test done to it yet. I seen other HTC phones, but not that one.

And the performance hit is more than likely this new Blur. Look at the lock screen for the X and the Inc. The Inc has a Sense UI lock screen, the X uses vanilla Android's lock screen.



Not better hardware?

The gpu on the orig Droid is better than the Inc's. The X has the same one, but its clocked higher....load and run HR Battle 3D, Google Maps on both phones and see if theres a difference.

Noise cancellation mic vs. none on the Inc.

3 mics for very good audio when video recording vs none on the Inc.

The cpu on the X is 45nm vs. 65nm on the Inc. Look around, u already see threads about excellent battery life on the X vs. the Inc.

X uses LPDDR2 memory vs. LPDDR1 on the Inc. Thats like upgrading the RAM in a PC.

Thats not better hardware? Then please tell me what is. What "feels faster" is Sense UI vs. Blur, vanilla Android. (see what I mentioned about the lock screens above. The X is more of a mix of vanilla Android than phones running Sense UI) Launcher Pro and ADW already proved what smooth home screen scrolling comes from.

lol, the screen on the Inc is over saturated. That doesnt smoke an accurate screen. It means ppl that like natural colors will prefer the X, ppl that like un natural colors will like the Inc. And the Inc screen is no where sharper than the X's

The Inc screen has "vibrancy" from being over saturated, deep blacks for having a monster contrast ratio.

X has hardware advantages over the Inc, Inc has software advantages over the X.

Yea, you can blow all the smoke you want and I know about those specs, but its all about how the hardware meshes with the software. And for every battery post that says great, I'll show you one that says poor.

And the screen on the x compared to the Inc? You can't tell me what my eyes see. Bigger ain't necessarily better..and in this case it definitely isn't.

 

[jroc]

Edited. If u quoted me already , just disregard it. I'm tired....lol

 

[adrynalyne]

Hardware doesn't matter if the software doesn't notably advantage from it.

Fact. Not fiction, not specs, not opinions. I can build the fastest computer out there, but if it doesnt run the OS any better than a machine with half the hardware specs, then it was just bragging rights and the measuring of my e-peen.

We can argue specs all day long but if the user experience blows, it doesn't really matter, does it.

 

[jamor]

Time for a group hug. We will call it the "XInc" (pronounced like Zinc).

Everybody in - don't be shy!

Wait so who is going to take the picture, the X or the Inc? Oh crap here we go again.

 

[jayjay1122]

Time for a group hug. We will call it the "XInc" (pronounced like Zinc).

Everybody in - don't be shy!

Wait so who is going to take the picture, the X or the Inc? Oh crap here we go again.

LOL!! and I really did!

 

[jroc]

Hardware doesn't matter if the software doesn't notably advantage from it.

Fact. Not fiction, not specs, not opinions. I can build the fastest computer out there, but if it doesnt run the OS any better than a machine with half the hardware specs, then it was just bragging rights and the measuring of my e-peen.

We can argue specs all day long but if the user experience blows, it doesn't really matter, does it.

Ok, fine. So when the dual core phones come out most ppl wont wanna get em huh. Cuz there's no guarantee Sense UI will slow it down or not.

Did u the read Anandtech review. What performance difference is so bad? Cpu speed is a wash, Gpu....thats another story. If u talking about "not taken advantage of the hardware" for home screen scrolling, loading web pages....thats not all ppl do on phones.

Play some games, run some memory extensive, cpu extensive apps and see if the software will outweigh the hardware. The read, write on the X is monster. Thats why the Quadrant score is so high. Even with the horrible Blur running.

It took some ppl to hack the Galaxy S to address the memory issue and make the phone faster. Can that same hack be done on the Inc.? Even if it can, u would have to hack a phone to outperform another stock.

To say the X doesnt have hardware advantages over the Inc is crazy. Thats fact. No matter what OS u run. Answer this: What can be tweaked, replaced more on a phone, hardware or software? Better yet, as a non root user......?

And blows, sucks, is all relative. Again, tell that to former Inc and EVO users who are happy for switching....especially the ones that said yea Sense UI is better but........

Now, I wish I wouldnt have edited my post...lol

 

[adrynalyne]

Ok, fine. So when the dual core phones come out most ppl wont wanna get em huh. Cuz there's no guarantee Sense UI will slow it down or not.

Did u the read Anandtech review. What performance difference is so bad? Cpu speed is a wash, Gpu....thats another story. If u talking about "not taken advantage of the hardware" for home screen scrolling, loading web pages....thats not all ppl do on phones.

Play some games, run some memory extensive, cpu extensive apps and see if the software will outweigh the hardware. The read, write on the X is monster. Thats why the Quadrant score is so high. Even with the horrible Blur running.

It took some ppl to hack the Galaxy S to address the memory issue and make the phone faster. Can that same hack be done on the Inc.? Even if it can, u would have to hack a phone to outperform another stock.

To say the X doesnt have hardware advantages over the Inc is crazy. Thats fact. No matter what OS u run. Answer this: What can be tweaked, replaced more on a phone, hardware or software? Better yet, as a non root user......?

And blows, sucks, is all relative. Again, tell that to former Inc and EVO users who are happy for switching....especially the ones that said yea Sense UI is better but........

Now, I wish I wouldnt have edited my post...lol

LOL...if a phone doesn't run better with dual cores, no I won't. I don't care if its powered by a nuclear reactor, if I can't see a difference in performance, I will spend my money on something else.

If someone is buying something just because of its specs...well a fool and his money are soon parted.

As for the GPU...yeeha, is better. Guess what? A PSP has better graphics, a longer battery and a bigger game selection.

Use that argument when Google decides to leave the dark ages and use the GPU to push the UI. That time is not now. Right now, its CPU driven, and the CPUs are neck and neck in performance.

 

[parrel]

As for the GPU...yeeha, is better. Guess what? A PSP has better graphics, a longer battery and a bigger game selection.

So instead of just conceding the point that the X has a better GPU which "technically" means better specs, you bring up a handheld gaming device for comparison? My laptop has better specs and more playable games than the X, DINC, and PSP combined, AND I can make phone calls on it.... but that doesn't mean I want to carry it around wherever I go.

I honestly believe if new age smartphones had attachable or slide out thumbsticks and physical buttons the PSP would cease to exist

 

[adrynalyne]

I never denied it not having a better GPU. What I said was that its only used in games. I am not buying a handheld gaming device, I am buying a phone. These machines don't have the battery to be playing games all the time. If you spend most of your time playing games on the phone, yes, the X is better for you. Heck the Droid is.

If this is how you judge your phones however, maybe you need to evaluate getting a handheld gaming device.

Don't make an argument for what isn't there. the GPU is a wasted device in Android right now, unless you are a gamer. I can buy two PS3s for the price of a phone. I am not going to be foolish enough to buy it for games primarily, especially since gaming still is nowhere near iPhone quality yet. By the time it is, both Froyo and the current hardware phones (including the X) will be ancient history.

I honestly believe if new age smartphones had attachable or slide out thumbsticks and physical buttons the PSP would cease to exist

I bet you do.

 

[MutantCheese]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[jroc]

"We Are Tha World......We Are Tha Children......"

The Inc is the better phone and the X is a POS. I wish I had an Inc.

 

[DroidX user]

you guys are hilarious, i cant believe how much people are bitching about the size of the x. is it just to justify that you bought an inc and it is already outdated? i bought one too. i love it, best phone i have ever owned. but the reality is the x is better period. not just subjectively but it has better hardware. and the part that is subjective is size which is funny because it is not that much bigger. it is .39" taller, .28" wider, .8" thinner and a whopping .82 oz heavier. you guys are acting like it just wont fit in a car much less any pants pockets. you guys are ignoring the facts.

Pros:
cooler running, more energy efficient processor
better 3D performance due to better use of processor
HDMI out
screen size (for me)
screen technology (for me) i love the amoled but it sux outside.
16gb card

Cons:
screen size (for some)
screen technology (for some)

some good links:
HTC hopes to be done with Android 2.2 Froyo updates before Christmas Unwired View

Is The iPhone 4's LCD the Best? | PCMag.com

YouTube - Droid X benchmark tests

i have large hands and this is the fastest phone on 2.1

 

[DroidX user]

Most people here must have woman sized hands

 

[jbdan]

Most people here must have woman sized hands

Actually my hands are fairly big. I don't think it is so much that people can't use it with one hand. I think it's more along the lines of....this is a cell phone and in this day and age the X is very large. It's not so big that it's clunky it's just stretching the bounds of today's cellphone size imo. Some people like myself see it as holding a small tablet up to your ear maybe? For internet, organizer, texting, heck even gaming it is a great size. A phone....idk.

I like Android period.

 

[adrynalyne]

i have large hands and this is the fastest phone on 2.1 for Verizon.

Fixed that for ya. It's def. not the fastest 2.1 phone out there.

 

[parrel]

Don't make an argument for what isn't there. the GPU is a wasted device in Android right now, unless you are a gamer.

It is my understanding that Flash 10 supports GPU acceleration, and the fact our phones have a GPU is one of the only reasons Flash may end up working smoothly.

I don't really understand your point. You're saying it's a phone, not a gaming device..... but it isn't designed to be JUST a phone. If I wanted JUST a phone I could get something much cheaper with MUCH better battery life. These are pocket computers, and one of their main selling points is multimedia. Why do you think the DINC has such a nice screen? So it can show off phone numbers more clearly?

All these new phones are replacement devices meant to merge phone/gaming/pda/tv into a portable entertainment solution. Nothing in these phones is unnecessary or wasted, and your comments make me wonder why you ever cared about smartphones at all.

 

[adrynalyne]

It is my understanding that Flash 10 supports GPU acceleration, and the fact our phones have a GPU is one of the only reasons Flash may end up working smoothly.

I've heard reports both ways....regardless of what the media specs say.

Whats not to understand? I am saying if the OS doesn't advantage from better hardware specs that the point is moot. If its only for games, then its only better for gamers. At that point, real gamers aren't going to make a phone their primary gaming device, so once again the point is moot. What sense does it make to buy a 600 dollar gaming device thats inferior in every way to one a third of its price?

It makes far more sense to skip a phone if the specs aren't that much difference in REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE. I would be more willing to consider a Galaxy S class phone or better.

and your comments make me wonder why you ever cared about smartphones at all.

You don't know who I am or what I am about. Stop guessing while you are behind.

 

[FrozenIpaq]

I've heard reports both ways....regardless of what the media specs say.

Whats not to understand? I am saying if the OS doesn't advantage from better hardware specs that the point is moot. If its only for games, then its only better for gamers. At that point, real gamers aren't going to make a phone their primary gaming device, so once again the point is moot. It makes far more sense to skip a phone if the specs aren't that much difference in REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE. I would be more willing to consider a Galaxy S class phone or better.



You don't know who I am or what I am about. Stop guessing while you are behind.

That attitude of yours "You don't know who I am or what I am about" is getting really annoying...there's no need for that kind of attitude here.

His argument on flash being gpu accelerated is a valid point, although the difference between a the Dinc and the Droid X for flash (with GPU supported) is probably very small itself.

The whole GPU argument is pretty pointless; and so is the CPU argument these days: what do we need the extra processing power for on our phone? Rendering web pages sure, but that's about it in my book.

 

[adrynalyne]

That attitude of yours "You don't know who I am or what I am about" is getting really annoying...there's no need for that kind of attitude here.

His argument on flash being gpu accelerated is a valid point, although the difference between a the Dinc and the Droid X for flash (with GPU supported) is probably very small itself.

The whole GPU argument is pretty pointless; and so is the CPU argument these days: what do we need the extra processing power for on our phone? Rendering web pages sure, but that's about it in my book.

What attitude? Its true. The poster thinks he knows what I am thinking when clearly he does not.

I think you can ask plenty of posters here that do know me that I certainly have no attitude.

 

[jayjay1122]

It is my understanding that Flash 10 supports GPU acceleration, and the fact our phones have a GPU is one of the only reasons Flash may end up working smoothly.

I don't really understand your point. You're saying it's a phone, not a gaming device..... but it isn't designed to be JUST a phone. If I wanted JUST a phone I could get something much cheaper with MUCH better battery life. These are pocket computers, and one of their main selling points is multimedia. Why do you think the DINC has such a nice screen? So it can show off phone numbers more clearly?

All these new phones are replacement devices meant to merge phone/gaming/pda/tv into a portable entertainment solution. Nothing in these phones is unnecessary or wasted, and your comments make me wonder why you ever cared about smartphones at all.

What is the intended purpose of a smartphone?
What features of that phone are "convenience items"?
Do you really base your smartphone purchase on gaming and cameras when there are dedicated devices for those purposes?

Opinions vary, but in my mind, smartphones were born from being able to get voice and data on a portable device for the business traveler. Have they morphed into much more than that? Sure, but these items we are discussing are for convenience (for now).

 

[jamor]

i have large hands and this is the fastest phone on 2.1

Most people here must have woman sized hands

Had to make a secondary account to bash the Incredible users?

You are a COWARD. Sure wouldn't want to go into battle with a sissy like you.

 

[parrel]

What attitude? Its true. The poster thinks he knows what I am thinking when clearly he does not.

When did I say I knew what you were thinking? I said I wondered, but I never claimed to know anything more than the point it seems you're trying to make. I just find it strange that you talk about how pointless gaming on android is compared to a true gaming device, but in the same paragraph you talk about how far ahead gaming on the iPhone is.

The point I'm trying to make is that a lot of people do play games on their DINC and X, and for them the GPU is important. The smartphone market is where all the innovation for computing is happening right now, and it won't be long until gaming is a serious selling point (just like on the iPhone). And no one is saying you have to choose between a $600-700 phone or one to two true gaming devices, and I'm not making the claim that people are choosing a phone OVER a gaming device. What I'm saying is obviously everyone here already has the phone, why not want it do more of the things you like to do so you don't have to carry other devices around with you?

I'm seriously not trying to offend you, I just personally believe that since I've ALREADY spent $700 on a phone, I'd like it to do as much as possible, and it would be pretty sad if gaming wasn't an option because engineers decided to leave out a GPU simply because it doesn't make your home screens scroll any faster.

 

[adrynalyne]

Well see, we are saying the same thing though.

Sure, the X is better for gaming. There is no denying that. But for everything else, its completely a wash. Maybe I am bad about wording it, but thats all I have been saying all along.

I only commented on the iPhone to convey the message that by the time gaming is at a good place on Android, we will most likely have moved on to at least a next generation or even later Android device. While the hardware may be pushing the edge of the envelope, the OS and devs certainly are not. Not yet.

 

[parrel]

Opinions vary, but in my mind, smartphones were born from being able to get voice and data on a portable device for the business traveler. Have they morphed into much more than that? Sure, but these items we are discussing are for convenience (for now).

Smartphones (much like everything) were born out of necessity and convenience. To me, there is no difference between wanting a portable solution for your business documents and contacts than there is for your games and movies. It's convenience. And yes, I know a smartphone doesn't do EVERYTHING as well as the the parent device each part was tailored after. If I want really good pictures, I'll take a camera, if I want a better gaming experience I'll take a portable gaming device, and if I want to watch movies I could bring a laptop... but not having to bring all these things is where the idea of the PDA/smartphone came from. And while it may not do all these things better, I still appreciate the fact that it does them at all.

None of it is pointless, or all of it is pointless..

 

[jayjay1122]

Smartphones (much like everything) were born out of necessity and convenience. To me, there is no difference between wanting a portable solution for your business documents and contacts than there is for your games and movies.

And that is totally cool! and that is why the X is better for you. But that is you...what myself and others are saying is that aspect does not appeal to us really, if at all. And if one phone performs better at what we need it for, than the minuscule "specs differences" are kind of pointless.

It's convenience. And yes, I know a smartphone doesn't do EVERYTHING as well as the the parent device each part was tailored after. If I want really good pictures, I'll take a camera, if I want a better gaming experience I'll take a portable gaming device, and if I want to watch movies I could bring a laptop... but not having to bring all these things is where the idea of the PDA/smartphone came from. And while it may not do all these things better, I still appreciate the fact that it does them at all.

See, this is simply where we have to agree to disagree! I have been using Smartphones for many years and from the beginning they were about voice and data in one package. I highly doubt that the designers of early Palms and Blackberry's had gaming and movies in mind when they designed those devices.

None of it is pointless, or all of it is pointless..

Really? Its all or nothing?

The point is (and I honestly don't think anyone thinks you are being obnoxious) is that you seem (yes I may be totally off by that) to be talking about a segment of users (gamers) as the intended demographic of these phones. What myself and others are saying is that gaming or taking pictures on a phone are ancillary benefits of the technology and while nice and convenient, if the rest of the phone does not perform as well, its pointless.

Sorry I kind of hacked up your post a little bit!!

EDIT: And now since I have become a complete hypocrite and continued to post in this thread when I said it was pointless, this will be my last comment here!!