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Droid X Vs. Incredible

Droid X actually self-destructs if you try to mod it

I'm not sure if this was mentioned (I didn't feel like scrolling through the thread), but the Droid-X apparently has a software component that will fully brick the phone if the bootloader is tampered with.

This fact alone completely eliminates the Droid X from the competition for me.

that article got updated as was said in the thread i started on it. the chip is there to kill it, but it was on the original droid too. motorola doesn't enable it apparently.
 
Switched over to the X after using the Incredible for over two weeks. X is so much better. It feels solid instead of cheap, it gets better reception, takes better pictures, runs 3D games better, has way more storage space for apps, call quality is better, and the battery life is MUCH better. I am most pleased with it.
 
Switched over to the X after using the Incredible for over two weeks. X is so much better. It feels solid instead of cheap, it gets better reception, takes better pictures, runs 3D games better, has way more storage space for apps, call quality is better, and the battery life is MUCH better. I am most pleased with it.

Unfortunately, you are wrong in most aspects - especially according to reviews that note Incredible is faster than the X, software runs better.

Sorry to ruin your honey moon - last time I checked, Motorola CRIPPLED your phone.

Here, I'll let the Motorola Rep detail it out for you:

 
Unfortunately, you are wrong in most aspects - especially according to reviews that note Incredible is faster than the X, software runs better.

Sorry to ruin your honey moon - last time I checked, Motorola CRIPPLED your phone.

Here, I'll let the Motorola Rep detail it out for you:

“We understand there is a community of developers interested in going beyond Android application development and experimenting with Android system development and re-flashing phones. For these developers, we highly recommend obtaining either a Google ADP1 developer phone or a Nexus One, both of which are intended for these purposes. At this time, Motorola Android-based handsets are intended for use by consumers and Android application developers, and we have currently chosen not to go into the business of providing fully unlocked developer phones.
…Securing the software on our handsets, thereby preventing a non-Motorola ROM image from being loaded, has been our common practice for many years. This practice is driven by a number of different business factors. When we do deviate from our normal practice, such as we did with the DROID, there is a specific business reason for doing so. We understand this can result in some confusion, and apologize for any frustration. ”


Custom ROMs and Motorola's Android Handsets - MOTODEV Discussion Boards




Your forum will tell you more about it too:



http://androidforums.com/motorola-d...roid-x-encrypted-bootloader-efuse-thread.html

First of all, I'm not wrong with anything I posted. Did you not read where I said that I owned both devices? Not only was everything I posted tested by me(and not by you), but it is backed up by every review you can find that objectively covers the topics. The Droid X is a better built device, gets better reception, makes better calls, takes better pictures, has better battery life, and is a much more powerful device. I've verified this all myself, but it's not like I had to. All of this is no secret and is common knowledge. I was merely reflecting the information with my own findings.

A key mistake you are making is confusing the frame rate of the UI the Droid X uses with performance. The Sense UI does run at a higher frame rate than the Motorola modified version of Android at the moment, there is no arguing that. That said, this says nothing for actual performance; what does is benchmarks and real world tests.

Droid X absolutely destroys the Incredible in processor power, they aren't even remotely in the same league. The X is more powerful than the Incredible by a gap larger than the Incredible is over the original Droid, by a larger gap than the iPhone 4 is over the 3GS. Every single benchmark app that runs on Android proves it. Benchmark pi, Quadrant, etc.. Trying to argue that the Incredible is more powerful than the X is like trying to argue that if you drop an apple in mid air that it will not fall despite people showing you otherwise countless times; don't bother. The entire Snapdragon platform is notorious for having garbage 3D capabilities, even the original Moto Droid runs 3D games better than the Droid Incredible.

And why did you quote my post and talk about pretty much nothing but the boot loader? Where did I say "Oh yeah and the X is super easy to root!" Did you read anything I typed at all?

In a nutshell: You really don't have even a remote understanding of what you're talking about. You attacked my post because you are emotionally attached to the Incredible and can't stand the fact that something is better than it. Become educated in the topic before you attack a post that is factually correct. Nobody cares to hear that you personally disagree with facts so keep it to yourself.
 
@dguy

Last I checked the responsiveness on the home screen and fluidity is a real-world test. All your benchmarks mean nothing. Sure, the Droid X is a powerful phone, but as I've said in my posts previously little to no applications take advantage of the processing power right now besides benchmarking and some 3D games.

As far as call quality and reception: care to point out any reviews that mention this? I've tested both and the receptions were the same on the Inc and Droid X....

The Droid X's home interface is slugish, the software itself is slugish. I want a smooth experience with my phone, not one that the Droid X has...which is a poor one.
 
@dguy

Last I checked the responsiveness on the home screen and fluidity is a real-world test. All your benchmarks mean nothing. Sure, the Droid X is a powerful phone, but as I've said in my posts previously little to no applications take advantage of the processing power right now besides benchmarking and some 3D games.

As far as call quality and reception: care to point out any reviews that mention this? I've tested both and the receptions were the same on the Inc and Droid X....

The Droid X's home interface is slugish, the software itself is slugish. I want a smooth experience with my phone, not one that the Droid X has...which is a poor one.


user reviews is what matters- and a lot are coming in on how slugish the X is as well as slower the the Dinc.
 
Spent about 2 hours this morning with both my Inc and a brand new X side by side.

DISCLAIMER - THIS IS PURELY A SAMPLE OF ONE! (But it's the one of each that I had, so that's what I've got to go off of...). I'm not a tech blogger or industry researcher, just a dude with a couple of phones in hand with the freedom to pick whichever suits ME best...

Signal Strength - Exactly equal. They were within 1-2 db of one another both in a strong signal location (-61 to -64) and a weak signal area (-95 to -99).

Screen Clarity - watched a few HD trailers via youtube simultaneously, side by side... (Avatar in particular looks incredible). The X obviously wins on size, but the colors/vibrancy were outstanding on the Inc. Text clarity seemed to be a wash, honestly. BOTH were fantastic! But I was really impressed with the deep blues of the Inc versus the washed out pale blues on the X. The explosions/fires were on par with the differences between watching my 720p HDTV versus my 1080i.

Speed - This perplexes me. The X was stock outta the box, had a little lag/choppyness when switching screens, etc. My Inc has a full load of installed apps and widgets, all running with GDE on top of it. Was smoother/faster both on screen scrolling and opening of apps (to include network apps such as Youtube and the market, as well as on board apps such as Robodefense once we installed it). The X just didn't seem to take as full advantage of the hardware in terms of speed.

3G - While both phones were sitting within 2 foot of one another, the Inc's 3g network speeds were MUCH faster. Streaming a high def youtube vid, for example, would require me to pause it on the Inc for as much as 5-7 seconds in order to let the X catch up so that we could compare them simultaneously. On 2 different vids (Avatar trailer and a random trunk monkey video), the X would pause to buffer. Only an instant, but it was there...

Size - Wow, the numbers don't really represent the size difference. The X felt HUGE! Even with my Inc sporting a 2150 battery, it was far sleeker and much easier to handle/navigate one handed.

My personal impression - despite my wife considering getting an X and trading me for my Inc, NO JOY! Ain't gonna happen. I was seriously considering this based on my love for multimedia and the size of the X's display, but you couldn't pay me to switch at this point.

I don't expect this to change anyone else's opinion. I'll freely admit that I had a bit of X envy going on in the lead-up to release - but I've got none at all left now as far as the actual device. My only real dismay is for our lack of accessories.

I am in the almost same boat as you without the DX to physically try out. My wife's Env Touch is getting on her last nerve and she wants to upgrade. I already upgraded to the Inc so I could easily get her to get the DX and swap. But in reading about it and what it offers no thanks. The Inc is the right size for me, Sense UI is spot on for me compared to the vids I have seen about the new Moto UI and the missing optical trackpad seals the deal... yeah no thanks.
 
user reviews is what matters- and a lot are coming in on how slugish the X is as well as slower the the Dinc.

And alot are saying its not sluggish and as fast or faster, so where does that mean?

Try it out for yourself and decide for yourself. Launcher Pro and ADW already proved how much home screen scrolling is tied to the launchers.
 
And alot are saying its not sluggish and as fast or faster, so where does that mean?

Try it out for yourself and decide for yourself. Launcher Pro and ADW already proved how much home screen scrolling is tied to the launchers.

I did stop in today... compared the two(Dinc and X)side by side. like i said, i have till Sat to trade in my Dinc and after about 15-20min i walked back out with my Dinc. about the only thing i liked about the X was its screen(size only)...
 
Yeah, I don't get why they left off a trackpad/trackball/dpad. Not matter how big the screen it, it's just painfully irritating trying to select small links/etc without it.
 
Lost my Incredible last weekend... Oh man that stinks! Asurian said it might be a month before they get me a new one so the guy at the VZ store said he would try and make an emergency replacement claim for me and hand me an X today. I messed with it for about a half an hour at the store, handed it back to him and asked for a loaner phone till my Inc comes in.

I like my Incredible WAY more. The size, the clarity/colors on the screen, the feel... everything about it is better to me than the X. Don't get me wrong, the X is a fine machine, and if I had a purse to carry it in I might have been more tempted.
 
It feels solid instead of cheap,

I don't know why some people insist on saying that the Dinc feels "cheap". It doesn't. I've had it for two weeks now and, while it is definitely lighter than the Droid ( and Droid X I guess) it by no means feels cheap.
 
On;y thing cheap about the DI is that battery door, that eventually ends up creaking.


But, the Moto Droid didn't feel cheap, and yet, remember the battery doors falling off fiasco?
 
The Sense UI does run at a higher frame rate than the Motorola modified version of Android at the moment, there is no arguing that. That said, this says nothing for actual performance; what does is benchmarks and real world tests.


are you familiar with self-contradiction? perhaps oxymoron? Even if what you say is true, it doesn't matter a lick what a benchmark shows if day-to-day usability is inferior to that of the Incredible. You said it yourself: the damn thing lags. Every review I've read has recommended the EVO or Incredible over it. Motorola messed up bad.

The video recording comparison over at Gizmodo is also highly discouraging. Though, Gizmodo suggested that a software update could improve that feature dramatically, as it did with the original Droid, apparently.



well, looks like your point may be moot anyway, though the great disparity between the X and the droid and incredibles may suggest the devices tested have Froyo already, but not the X's.
 
I guess this is the part that really gets me. anybody who has seen their constant, non stop coverage of the Iphone antenna problem and how bad it is couldn't possibly think that gizmodo is biased towards Apple. here are just links that they posted today

Apple's Brewing Shitstorm


Download iOS 4.0.1 Now: It "Improves" the iPhone's Bar Signal Display


Woz's iPhone 4 Antenna Solution: Double Fisting


US Senator Hammers iPhone 4 Antenna Problem In Letter to Steve Jobs


Top Apple Engineer Warned Jobs About iPhone 4 Antenna Problems

My point in my previous post wasn't whether or not they were apple fans reviewing android phones, but the quality of their reviews. The reviews just weren't up to par with other equal tech blogs. It could be because the reviewers are iPhone fans, or it could just be because they're lazy.

Negative press toward Apple doesn't really prove anything either. I said earlier I was an apple fan, and I follow many apple blogs faithfully. ALL of them are pretty much reporting on the flaws of the iPhone 4 with the same intensity as regular tech blogs...and they're for apple fans! The antenna issue is a HUGE thing right now and anyone not reporting on it would be remiss in their duties.
 
I went at lunch time today to check the Morola Droid X and compare it with my Dinc. I left with my Dinc happier than ever. :)
 
alright so at the end of the day with the x (after a week and a half with the dinc) i can safely say im pretty damn happy with my decision to switch

battery life (even on the first day after the first charge vs a week of tinkering to get the settings perfectly on the dinc) just destroys the dinc, and the call quality is much better. id say that outweighs the fact that this motoblur shit is horrible.

that said, i feel that paying 35 bucks was pretty reasonable to switch. i wouldnt pay any more than 50 (if that). the dinc is a great phone

obviously if you hate the bigger size, theres no point in even reading this thread. the phones are similar enough that you should be more than happy with the dinc.

also, if youre into rooting or romming or whatever that shit is, you clearly want the dinc too

still, as just a phone for the layman that doesnt wear skinny jeans, id say the x is definitely superior

edit: also, that gizmodo review, if anything, feels biased against motorola (presumably for locking the phone), not biased towards apple (no idea where that came from)
 
well, looks like your point may be moot anyway, though the great disparity between the X and the droid and incredibles may suggest the devices tested have Froyo already, but not the X's. .
You can achieve higher scores than the x's with 2.1.
 
well, looks like your point may be moot anyway, though the great disparity between the X and the droid and incredibles may suggest the devices tested have Froyo already, but not the X's.

Its impossible to get that high on LinPack with an orig Droid running 2.1, even one running 2.2. I think some of those scores with 2.1 were using emulators, or something most folks dont know about just to post high LinPack numbers. Whatever it was it wasnt stock. Its something going on, I just dont know what...lol

We seen actual video evidence of the Nexus 1 with 2.2 posting high Linpack numbers, so thats believable. The Inc. with 2.2 would put up high numbers too.
 
I'm fully lost in which phone I want.

I had myself all set on the Incredible until a Verizon guy showed me the X. I have an X on hold, but I'm still not sure. The screen was amazing. Side-by-side, the two seemed very similar, outside of the screen size.

I don't want to hem and haw for long as I know how long it will take to get an Incredible if I go in that direction.

I think I'll have to stop in there again with jeans on to see how it feels in there.

I'm awful with decisions like these. The Incredible has been what I've wanted -- and if the dang things had been in stock, I'd have already purchased on. But now this X... argh!
Perhaps by the time you are done considering the two and deciding the Dinc will be available in store:-}
 
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