Root dta2sd kinda working

[Mikestony]

Testing darktremors a2sd and I thought I knew what is does.
I check if it's working via TB.
What I did...
Checked internal memory before downloading 20mb of apps---300mb
Checked sd-ext memory before downloading 20 mb of apps---1.66gb
Downloaded 20 mb of apps
Checked int. memory after dwnld---271mb
Checked sd-ext memory after-----1.64gb

So, I lost approx 29mb of internal
Also lost .02gb of sd-ext memory (which is approx 20mb--correct?)

So, it appears apps are going to my ext but also to internal.
Or, am I reading that wrong?

I thought if dta2sd was functioning properly, my internal should not budge.
Ran in Term. Em...repair and reinstall but nothing changed.
Using an ext4.
No apps on sd card
Cache/dalvik running from internal...not ext..(that's the way I have it at the moment.)
Running dta2sd version 2.7.5.3 beta 4
Ran a2sd check and it says apps run from sd-ext.

Just cant figure why my internal memory drops also in addition to sd-ext??

 

[dustwun77]

Hmm, interesting.

Curious if you did 20 meg of ONE app or if that was made up of numerous apps?

Anyway, it sounds strange. Maybe someone will have an answer for you. I'll be on the road again today but I'll want to see what is up with this too.

I wonder how things would be if you just flashed this rom and had all of these apps without having to FLASH DT. Using the built in support of the rom for it. If it would be any different?

You have nothing but time, right? :smokingsomb:

 

[Mikestony]

Hmm, interesting.

Curious if you did 20 meg of ONE app or if that was made up of numerous apps?

Anyway, it sounds strange. Maybe someone will have an answer for you. I'll be on the road again today but I'll want to see what is up with this too.

I wonder how things would be if you just flashed this rom and had all of these apps without having to FLASH DT. Using the built in support of the rom for it. If it would be any different?

You have nothing but time, right? :smokingsomb:

I downloaded 5 apps totaling 19.77 mb.
When I originally flash the rom, I flashed the "with DT" option.
If I don't/can't find an answer, I do believe there will be a next release for
Decks Reloaded and when I flash that, it may change stuff.
Thanks man...happy trails

Edit: for some reason I cant figure out how to attach pix, there is no manage attachment tab anymore (?) so I linked before and after pix:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58324641/snap20120616_083103.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58324641/snap20120616_082758.png

 

[dustwun77]

Did you indicate the rom supports it natively and you flashed dt too?
I don't know if that is a good idea. Just threw that out there.

 

[Mikestony]

Did you indicate the rom supports it natively and you flashed dt too?
I don't know if that is a good idea. Just threw that out there.

No, I thought I did, but thinking about it, I flashed vipermod to change busybox, not DT...
So no.....no additional DT flash after rom flash...and I know I flashed the rom with the DT method.
Not that this whole issue is causing problems, but I was intrigued with the whole internal/sd-ext memory drop ya know?

 

[dkl1]

No, I thought I did, but thinking about it, I flashed vipermod to change busybox, not DT...
So no.....no additional DT flash after rom flash...and I know I flashed the rom with the DT method.
Not that this whole issue is causing problems, but I was intrigued with the whole internal/sd-ext memory drop ya know?

Hey Mikestony! Just tuned in here and saw your thread...

I feel bad that I'm not gonna be able to offer a lot of help since I am still on the frontside of the learning curve on much of this. But I do want to lurk along as this plays out for you as I'm certain it will help with my 'education'!

I too am having some concerns about whether my a2sd is functioning as it should or not. When my ROM was flashed, it seems I remember the set up asking if I wanted to use DT but I think I clicked no. I then dl'd the dt script and flashed it and it sure made the phone less 'lagg-y' afterwards. However, there are times that I question if my apps and such are being put on the ext of the card.

I am going to try to start a new thread and upload a screenshot of the terminal emulator screen when I do 'a2sd check' just to see if others can tell me all is ok or otherwise! Good luck to you

 

[Mikestony]

Hey Mikestony! Just tuned in here and saw your thread...

I feel bad that I'm not gonna be able to offer a lot of help since I am still on the frontside of the learning curve on much of this. But I do want to lurk along as this plays out for you as I'm certain it will help with my 'education'!

I too am having some concerns about whether my a2sd is functioning as it should or not. When my ROM was flashed, it seems I remember the set up asking if I wanted to use DT but I think I clicked no. I then dl'd the dt script and flashed it and it sure made the phone less 'lagg-y' afterwards. However, there are times that I question if my apps and such are being put on the ext of the card.

I am going to try to start a new thread and upload a screenshot of the terminal emulator screen when I do 'a2sd check' just to see if others can tell me all is ok or otherwise! Good luck to you

I remember, I remember that (you) now, yeah, wierd.
Like I said, not really causing an issue for me but it is intriguing to me.
I'm playing around with it to see if I can find an answer.
So, lurk around my friend! We all learn together.

 

[Rxpert83]

The internal storage will move. There has to be a symbolic kink on the internal to tell the phone where to look for the card. Also, a2sd gets ran when the phone boots up, so restart the phone.


Other things to try are the command
Su
A2sd reinstall

Inside of terminal emulator


Can't really go into a lot of explanation because I'm on the phone

 

[Mikestony]

The internal storage will move. There has to be a symbolic kink on the internal to tell the phone where to look for the card. Also, a2sd gets ran when the phone boots up, so restart the phone.


Other things to try are the command
Su
A2sd reinstall

Inside of terminal emulator


Can't really go into a lot of explanation because I'm on the phone

Rx,
I tried restarting phone, nothing changed. Also in TE, typed su, then a2sd reinstall...nothing changed...so.....here is what I tried...(first made nand backup!!)..this might get lengthy but it's detailed:
Let me start out by saying all my icons on my screens are widgets created by the app Folder Organizer...just remember this one fact for now.
In TB.....internal free--270, sd (a2sd) free--1.64 (eh, could be better)
Open TE--- typed su, then a2sd remove.
Lots of Force Closes...I tapped the force close button each time
It finished and rebooted automatically.
When phone turned on, went into TB...internal 36.2 free, sd (a2sd) 1.88 free
Even got the "low space" warning. I giggled. "Sure, whatever", I said.
now......
Open TE...type su, then a2sd reinstall
Got message: WARNING!! Running E2fck on a mounted file system may cause SEVERE damage!! Do you want to continue? y/n
Well, that's not a nice thing to appear at ya!
Of course I type no, duh, .....
Then again Force closes all over the cockeyed place but it moved the apps, then it rebooted itself.
When phone came on I lost all apps and widgets...nothing on home screen.
Hmmmm says I, so, I boot into recovery, and run the "fix uid mismatches"
Let it run and manually reboot.
Got apps back but no screen widgets (remember I created all those). So at this point I check storage in TB...
internal---280, sd (a2sd)--1.64...
ok...so it moved my apps but no widgets on screens. So far o.k...
Go back into TE...type su, then a2sd reinstall again.
Still no widgets--kinda figured that but thought I would try...which by now I can re-set them up...
Back into TE I go. yay.
Typed su, then a2sd cachesdreset, thought I'd run cache/dalvik from sd ext...why not? If this totally fudges it, I'll nand back right? It did its thing and rebooted automatically.
Well, no widgets but at this point I dont care.
Went into TB.....internal is now a whopping 367 mb free and sd (a2sd) went down to 1.55gb!!!!
Now that is AWESOME-LY SWEET!!
Now the only thing to do is fill my screens with my widgets.....
When that is done, I'm gonna download a big app like Miffed Birds or something like that and check internal/sd ext storage.
So, that's my story and I'm stickin to it cuz I just ate caramel corn.

 

[ocnbrze]

ok for one rxpert is correct that your internal storage will always go up and down especially as you get more apps onto the card. the symbolic link is stored on the phone and so will eat up some of the memory. and as you just found out moving dalvik cache to the card will also free up more space as well. no need really to have uninstalled a2sd. i always have trusted what tb says. if a2sd is shown in tb the you should be good to go. if it does not show then something is wrong.

 

[Mikestony]

ok for one rxpert is correct that your internal storage will always go up and down especially as you get more apps onto the card. the symbolic link is stored on the phone and so will eat up some of the memory. and as you just found out moving dalvik cache to the card will also free up more space as well. no need really to have uninstalled a2sd. i always have trusted what tb says. if a2sd is shown in tb the you should be good to go. if it does not show then something is wrong.

I was just baffled when I downloaded 5 apps totaling about 20mb and my internal went down that much.
Perhaps my post wasn't clear, I did not uninstall a2sd itself, I meant the command a2sd uninstall in Terminal Emulator.
Unless I misunderstood your statement about uninstalling a2sd. I thought you meant the un-installation of the darktremors script/app itself...sorry.
Anyhoo...I would expect to see internal go down a little but not as much as the downloaded app size...
But now I think I have cache running from sd-ext and I'm happy.
Thanks ocn and rx

Edit:ss after all done:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58324641/snap20120616_154638.png

 

[Rxpert83]

Cachesd opens up tons of space. That was gonna be my next suggestion.

Glad you got it figured out. You didn't need to uninstall a2sd but you never gain experience until you try it out.

 

[dkl1]

Isn't there a TE command line like a2sd cache2sd or similar to MOVE the cache to the card in the first place? I mean, it doesn't just move there by itself, it has to be *moved*? If this is true, I need to do that as I know I've not done so...

Somebody please set me straight

 

[Mikestony]

Isn't there a TE command line like a2sd cache2sd or similar to MOVE the cache to the card in the first place? I mean, it doesn't just move there by itself, it has to be *moved*? If this is true, I need to do that as I know I've not done so...

Somebody please set me straight

I ran the command "cachesdreset" in TE because my cache/dalvik was on internal and like Rxpert said, I got about 50mb more internal memory.
I just about giggled like a little girl when I saw that.
I ran that command because it didn't go there by itself, now I do believe, but I'm not sure, if cache will continue to go to my sd ext or if I have to run that command every now and then.

 

[dkl1]

I ran the command "cachesdreset" in TE because my cache/dalvik was on internal and like Rxpert said, I got about 50mb more internal memory.
I just about giggled like a little girl when I saw that.
I ran that command because it didn't go there by itself, now I do believe, but I'm not sure, if cache will continue to go to my sd ext or if I have to run that command every now and then.

Hmmmmm - I just may have to do this!...

Also - when I partitioned mine, I set the Swap at 32mb and have since learned (or read) that it's not necessary to have a value >"0"? Do you know anything about this? How might I GO BACK and change it to "0"?

 

[Mikestony]

Hmmmmm - I just may have to do this!...

Also - when I partitioned mine, I set the Swap at 32mb and have since learned (or read) that it's not necessary to have a value >"0"? Do you know anything about this? How might I GO BACK and change it to "0"?

Don't worry about it....I think you will be fine
Mine is at "0" and am considering changing it to 32 like you have, but right now I aint worried about it.

 

[Mikestony]

Here's what comes up in TE when I type, "su" (enter), then "a2sd check":
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58324641/New Text Document.txt

I now think I do not have to run that cache command anymore.
Anyone agree or disagree?
Some of that gibber jabber doesn't make sense to me.

 

[dkl1]

I ran the command "cachesdreset" in TE because my cache/dalvik was on internal and like Rxpert said, I got about 50mb more internal memory.
I just about giggled like a little girl when I saw that.
I ran that command because it didn't go there by itself, now I do believe, but I'm not sure, if cache will continue to go to my sd ext or if I have to run that command every now and then.

:::crap:::

Shoulda left well enough alone!

I ran the a2sd cachesdreset command and after it rebooted, I get a message "application is not installed on your phone" for Gmail, TB, Swing-by-Swing (golf gps app) and probably some others as well. Now what?

 

[Rxpert83]

Isn't there a TE command line like a2sd cache2sd or similar to MOVE the cache to the card in the first place? I mean, it doesn't just move there by itself, it has to be *moved*? If this is true, I need to do that as I know I've not done so...

Somebody please set me straight

su
a2SD cachesd

will move the cache to the SD card

Hmmmmm - I just may have to do this!...

Also - when I partitioned mine, I set the Swap at 32mb and have since learned (or read) that it's not necessary to have a value >"0"? Do you know anything about this? How might I GO BACK and change it to "0"?

Most ROMS/kernels do not support swap. So it isnt required to have one. Having it at 32 isnt going to hurt anything... its just not going to be used.

Getting rif of it would require re-partitioning the SD card... which probably isn't worth it.

Here's what comes up in TE when I type, "su" (enter), then "a2sd check":
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58324641/New Text Document.txt

I now think I do not have to run that cache command anymore.
Anyone agree or disagree?
Some of that gibber jabber doesn't make sense to me.

Looks like you have data on the internal partition. I don't think that's normal but I can't check.

Although honestly, a2SD is supposed to be a "set it and forget it" type of thing guys. As long as you've opened up space on the internal portion of the device you've achieved what the point of a2SD is.

 

[dkl1]

:::crap:::

Shoulda left well enough alone!

I ran the a2sd cachesdreset command and after it rebooted, I get a message "application is not installed on your phone" for Gmail, TB, Swing-by-Swing (golf gps app) and probably some others as well. Now what?

Anybody???

TB and my Gmail accts are NOT on my phoen OR sdcard! How can this be?

From Manage Applications, when I try to "Add Accout" the only options are Twitter and Corporate - huh?

I have no market/Google play either???

 

[Mikestony]

Anybody???

TB and my Gmail accts are NOT on my phoen OR sdcard! How can this be?

From Manage Applications, when I try to "Add Accout" the only options are Twitter and Corporate - huh?

I have no market/Google play either???

Hang in there buddy. Ill be back to computer in 1 hour. Driving now

 

[dkl1]

Hang in there buddy. Ill be back to computer in 1 hour. Driving now

Keep yer eyes on the ROAD!!!...

TB is back but I still have no contacts or Gmail...

Maybe it'll just take time to sync it all back?

Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread!!

 

[Mikestony]

Keep yer eyes on the ROAD!!!...

TB is back but I still have no contacts or Gmail...

Maybe it'll just take time to sync it all back?

Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread!!

Well, you're on Decks Reloaded right? You installed without DT but you flashed it afterwords....right?
Try this, and it wont hurt to try this. Boot into recovery, find the "fix uid mismatch" or it might say "fix user permissions" and run it.
The reason I say this, is because I lost all my apps after a command.
But you only lost some?
Perhaps before you do this gmail and contacts (if stored on your gmail account) will re-sync.

Edit: while you are in recovery might as well clear cache and dalvik cache

 

[dkl1]

Well, you're on Decks Reloaded right? You installed without DT but you flashed it afterwords....right?
Try this, and it wont hurt to try this. Boot into recovery, find the "fix uid mismatch" or it might say "fix user permissions" and run it.
The reason I say this, is because I lost all my apps after a command.
But you only lost some?
Perhaps before you do this gmail and contacts (if stored on your gmail account) will re-sync.

Edit: while you are in recovery might as well clear cache and dalvik cache

Well, I pulled the battery and that did it! When it booted up it had that little android dude that you touch with your finger, then it has you sign in to google and so on...

So I'm good now! No more messing with it for a while!

Thanks :smokingsomb:

PS: Happy fathers day (if appropriate, of course!)

 

[argedion]

For Future Reference Something to keep in mind.

When you download an app and it installs It installs in INTERNAL MEMORY. Android does this.
When you reboot DTa2sd will move the app to EXTERNAL MEMORY the issue is that at times during the reboot process the dalvic cache is loaded an it tells the system the Memory and what is left in memory so usually a reboot and a wipe of dalvic and cache will get everything back as it should be.
So even though DT leaves only a symbolic link the Dalvic Cache, the cache loads its data into Live memory as the Android System does not expect anything to change with these from a simple reboot. This is why dalvic cache is not normally erased in a stock setting. It saves times on the routines that it takes to load all of the information into live memory so if it has a data base with all that info in already and nothing should have changes because of a reboot then the system can report accurately the Memory Usage. a2sd is not an expected program and its routines are not know to the ROM. The ROM see's the Symbolic link as the actual program and does not realize that it is not stored in INTERNAL memory. This is the concept of a2sd.