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ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Ah god, a lot of awful things were said about Bush in all fairness. Certainly in Europe.
Bush certainly didn't manage the economy well, but a lot of the problems were pent up from Reagan, Bush Snr. and Clinton.
lightsleeper23
Android Enthusiast
No, I'm not going to go along with this "bad things were said about Bush too, so it's a wash" nonsense. It's not the same. The amount of cruelty and hatred for Obama is on a whole other level. Some of the things I've heard people say about him, I've never heard anybody say about another human being. It's astounding.
copestag
Android Expert
only 2 possibilities here...
either you have a horrible memory
or that fair 2 sided media that you keep bragging about wasnt so even handed
plenty of worse things were said....... and most liberals will happily agree with that
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Bush was merely called an idiot, a moron, a liar, accused of masterminding 9/11, being a bad father, a draft dodger and it was said that he didn't really win in the first place and that the only reason he won was because of who his dad is. That's about all that he was accused of beyond ruining the economy and murdering thousands of American soldiers overseas just to make a buck for his buddies. Obama its kind of getting off easy imo.
lightsleeper23
Android Enthusiast
OK, you can debate about how bad Bush was insulted, there's room for that, but if you honestly think Obama is getting off easy... You're in denial. Just Google racist Obama tweets, or Obama Antichrist, or Obama Muslim terrorist, and see if those people are letting him off easy.
jhtalisman
Android Enthusiast
The bold is true.
msndrstood
Newbie
And he was a recovering (we think, who knows for sure) alcoholic and cocaine user. That is also true. Obama would never get away with any of that in his background. The only thing they can say about that is he smoked pot in college. NBD.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Yeah, he was accused many times of either masterminding 9/11 or deliberately ignoring the warnings that it would happen.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
He's getting off easy compared to Bush. That's all I'm saying.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Obama is clearly not the Antichrist nor is he a Muslim terrorist.
And it is the web, remember that.
Every stupid position will find support as well as detractors on the web. Most of those not letting him off easy do not matter in the least.
jhtalisman
Android Enthusiast
I don't think had anything to do with it other than ignoring the previous administration's warnings and attempts to capture/kill Bin Laden. He did, however, use the situation to create huge profits for his friends companies.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
He was accused of it though. That was my point. Obviously Obama isn't a Muslim terrorist, but he gets accused of it the same way Bush is accused of killing several thousand American citizens on US soil. Which is worse?
lightsleeper23
Android Enthusiast
To me, being accused of being the Antichrist and literally bringing forth hell on earth is worse than being accused of masterminding an attack killing several thousand. Obviously the end times isn't happening, and the attack did(although it wasn't masterminded by Bush)... But it's the accusations that we're talking about, not what happened in reality. One is clearly worse than the other.
But these are also fringe elements saying things this crazy about either one. You've got the mainstream on the right saying some pretty nasty things about Obama though. And the racism is VERY widespread. Even Republicans in congress refusing to work with him and four years ago declaring their one and only goal to derail all his plans and turn him into a failure so he would only be a one term president. That's pretty unprecedented if you ask me. Putting their party above the nation. Yeah it's happened to some extent in the past, always does. But not on that level.
Most people on the right declare he is the worst president to ever hold the office. About Bush I'd only go as far as to say he's the worst president in my lifetime.
But these are also fringe elements saying things this crazy about either one. You've got the mainstream on the right saying some pretty nasty things about Obama though. And the racism is VERY widespread. Even Republicans in congress refusing to work with him and four years ago declaring their one and only goal to derail all his plans and turn him into a failure so he would only be a one term president. That's pretty unprecedented if you ask me. Putting their party above the nation. Yeah it's happened to some extent in the past, always does. But not on that level.
Most people on the right declare he is the worst president to ever hold the office. About Bush I'd only go as far as to say he's the worst president in my lifetime.
sntaylor
Android Expert
If these people are so gawd awful, why do you insist on giving then two terms?
Enough people voted for, so the majority wins...don't like it run as a candidate yourself, for party if choice....why does it always have to be left or right, can't you get someone in the middle doing things for the people?
Obamacare does, from what I can gather, try to give people more, but it may not be doing so in the correct way. Clearly the full system needs reformed, but big business is to involved, and money speaks!
Enough people voted for, so the majority wins...don't like it run as a candidate yourself, for party if choice....why does it always have to be left or right, can't you get someone in the middle doing things for the people?
Obamacare does, from what I can gather, try to give people more, but it may not be doing so in the correct way. Clearly the full system needs reformed, but big business is to involved, and money speaks!
ItnStln511
Android Enthusiast
I said before his 1939 invasion of Poland, did I not?
The whole class was really impressive, from the lesson material, to the required reading. The professor was excellent as well, which is always a good thing. But what was an eye opener for me was how one could take a country, build it up, just to have it destroyed six years later. Now I do NOT agree with Hitler
ItnStln511
Android Enthusiast
I didn't give him either term.
Did you not see the part where when he won his second term he did not have the popular vote at that time? Did you not hear of the voter fraud issues in both 2008 and 2012?
I am NOT against affordable health care. What I am against is health care at the expense of my tax money. Also, you're right. It does need to be reformed. Did anyone who voted on the obamacare issue read the whole bill? I am only asking because I don't know.
lightsleeper23
Android Enthusiast
Your post is full of so much insanity its not even worth responding to every one of your ludicrous attacks. I refuse to carry on a conversation with a person who insists on comparing our president with Adolf Hitler.
I could, and have, addressed every one of those issues. The fact that you keep insisting on repeating the same drivel renders conversation with you useless. I will debate a person about issues that are unclear enough to debate. I will not however entertain the inane ramblings of an individual who is obviously lost in his own world.
I could, and have, addressed every one of those issues. The fact that you keep insisting on repeating the same drivel renders conversation with you useless. I will debate a person about issues that are unclear enough to debate. I will not however entertain the inane ramblings of an individual who is obviously lost in his own world.
ItnStln511
Android Enthusiast
I'm not the one doing the comparing, others have. I am just repeating it, which is based on facts. And no, you haven't addressed all of the issues I've brought up. Insane ramblings? Please! That would be the bs you try to pass off as facts. Lost in my own world? Whatever. You can keep on believing the crap that the liberals keep feeding you, as you're not worth my time, as all you can do is call me a "racist." Like every other democrat, you're a hypocrite. You can talk bad about Republicans all day long, but once someone says something bad about obama, you call them a liar, a racist, and insane. You are in denial there.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
The problem is at the end of the day both parties are run by their fringe elements. There are candidates who come along who are in the middle, but they get no support because, culturally, people think they can only vote for one of the two parties. So one extreme or the other is always in power.
Gmash
Extreme Android User
Ah, the Liberal Media, the eternal boogeyman and crutch for the right. Too bad the media hasn't been liberal for probably 30 years. Funny how those who get all of their talking points from Fox Fake News and right wing wacko radio and blogs like to call others the "low information voters". Does that make you the "fake information voters"? Perhaps if it's so hard to to find information that conforms to your narrow point of view, you just might consider that you are wrong.
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
Indeed. I've worked for radio and TV stations, and have a pretty good idea of how much money it takes to build and run one. Needless to say, it's a whole lot more than poor and oppressed people can afford. If a station's 1%er owner doesn't want it aired, it doesn't get aired.
I've also "worked" at low power community radio stations of the kind that a modestly wealthy community could afford to own and operate. IME I never had an audience at any given time that I couldn't count on the fingers of one hand.
That's reality, folks!
chrlswltrs
Extreme Android User
Between Obama getting more and more people to live off the government and rampant voter fraud that is never prosecuted, even when people openly admit to commiting fraud and voting multiple times, it is never prosecuted. And we had hundreds of thousands of military members (who are hugely anti Obama) who never received their absentee ballots to vote while they were deployed.
Hopefully someone like Rand Paul runs next time and can overcome the odds of voter fraud and government dependent people and actually undo a lot of the damage Obama has done, is going, and is going to do.
The system does need to be reformed, but punishing thousands to help a few is not the answer. And the other thing people need to remember is NOTHING IS FREE.
jhtalisman
Android Enthusiast
The thing you and your kind forget is the majority of the people on unemployment and food stamps do so at the cost of their pride. They have lost jobs, usually that they have held for a lengthy amount of time, and have nowhere else to turn to provide for their families.
It is the minority that give these programs a bad name and example, not the majority. The majority use them for as long as needed and do not depend on them for their entire lives.