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[A.Nonymous]

The thing you and your kind forget is the majority of the people on unemployment and food stamps do so at the cost of their pride. They have lost jobs, usually that they have held for a lengthy amount of time, and have nowhere else to turn to provide for their families.

It is the minority that give these programs a bad name and example, not the majority. The majority use them for as long as needed and do not depend on them for their entire lives.

How much of that is those people's fault though? Let's be honest here, how many people here are saving for a rainy day? The "experts" say to have 3-6 mos of living expenses saved up. How many people really do that though? I'm overhearing a conversation right now where a co-worker is talking about how the end of the year sucks because his tags are due in November every year and that's the same time he has to buy Christmas presents so he never has enough money for tags. The thing is both his tags and Christmas are the same time every year. Nothing at all stops him from saving up money January through October to pay for both of them. But he doesn't. So when November rolls around and he's broke who's fault is it? Just fate that tags and Christmas are the same time? This is the same kind of guy who is likely to end up on food stamps if/when his world falls apart.

Honestly, I think we could alleviate a lot of the strain on the system if people would plan for their own future better.

 

[msndrstood]

I guess some were asleep during the 2000 election cycle and missed this news, but yes he was an alcoholic. He may not admit it to the press rather he said 'he drank too much', a rose by any other name...

The point is, the right really dismisses these personal failings in their guy but rant and rage about Obama and his birth certificate and school transcripts and demonize the man like no other. One can only surmise the difference in this case is the color of their skin, the size of their bank accounts and their party affiliation and connections.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I guess some were asleep during the 2000 election cycle and missed this news, but yes he was an alcoholic. He may not admit it to the press rather he said 'he drank too much', a rose by any other name...

The point is, the right really dismisses these personal failings in their guy but rant and rage about Obama and his birth certificate and school transcripts and demonize the man like no other. One can only surmise the difference in this case is the color of their skin, the size of their bank accounts and their party affiliation and connections.

And the left dismisses the failings of their guy and rants and rages about whomever is leading the right. It works both ways.

 

[SiempreTuna]

And the left dismisses the failings of their guy and rants and rages about whomever is leading the right. It works both ways.

The difference, however is that the left criticised Bush for things he actually did or actually was, not absurd sh*t they made up.

If you want people to take your criticisms seriously, you need to drop the tinfoil hat stuff and concentrate on reality.

When the right keeps screaming about ridiculous nonsense like death panels, birtherism, the anti-Christ etc etc who's going to take them seriously when they whisper about drone strikes? Anybody with sense stopped listening long ago.

 

[ElasticNinja]

I said before his 1939 invasion of Poland, did I not?

Yes you did, but one must recognise that Hitler's economic policy was fundamentally flawed in the sense that he simply continued an expansive spending policy once the crisis ended, and continued to borrow a lot of money - and had Germany become heavily indebted to foreign creditors.

His economic policy just happened to work. Keynesian economics only came about during the war and after it, while Hitler just had wanted to spend lots of money on the military and prestige projects.

The whole class was really impressive, from the lesson material, to the required reading. The professor was excellent as well, which is always a good thing. But what was an eye opener for me was how one could take a country, build it up, just to have it destroyed six years later. Now I do NOT agree with Hitler

 

[A.Nonymous]

The difference, however is that the left criticised Bush for things he actually did or actually was, not absurd sh*t they made up.

If you want people to take your criticisms seriously, you need to drop the tinfoil hat stuff and concentrate on reality.

When the right keeps screaming about ridiculous nonsense like death panels, birtherism, the anti-Christ etc etc who's going to take them seriously when they whisper about drone strikes? Anybody with sense stopped listening long ago.

No, a lot of the crap spewed at Bush was complete and total fiction. Look at Clinton the right beat up on him too the same way they're beating up on Obama. It's the same thing. Whomever happens to be in power the other party is going to hate them no matter what.

 

[lightsleeper23]

Right wing fantasies. What a perfect description. You've got the lunatic fringe in both parties, sure. But when you've got the mainstream on the right rambling on about death panels, birtherism, controlling the media, insistent comparisons to one of the worst mass murderers in history, etc...you know you've gone off the rails.

If anyone mentions racism, which IS rampant for a FACT, the right screams and cries and accuses you of calling all republicans racist, and saying anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist. I've never once said ALL republicans were racist. Never once. But the racism is HUGE out there. It is pervasive. Is it my fault most of the racists are conservative? I'm sure if you looked really hard you could find one or two liberal racists. But, by definition of being a liberal, they're probably not racist. Its not my fault most racists are on the right wing. Does that mean ALL republicans are racist? No.

And this whole controlling the media thing is so ludicrous I can't even believe it's being discussed. The "media" consists of every national news network, all the local news programs, and any number of thousands of newspapers, magazines, and online news sites. And they absolutely can and do print and say whatever they want. FACT! This crazy lady going around making accusations that CNN takes bribes to not air certain stories has not one single shred of evidence, compelling or otherwise.

And even IF it was true, that is not CONTROLLING the "media". That would be one single news outlet CHOOSING to take a bribe and not airing a story. Not being forced, CHOOSING to take the bribe. And that doesn't stop any of the other many, many, news outlets from airing a story. And what a stupid proposition anyways. An administration taking the huge risk of trying to bribe one single news outlet to not air certain stories? When any other outlet can just go ahead and cover it. Where's the reward for that risk? Its idiotic.

Just because you disagree with what 90% of news outlets report, that's not evidence that they're being controlled. If anything it's evidence that you might be wrong.

 

[A.Nonymous]

The mainstream right isn't rambling about death panels and birtherism, etc..... The lunatic fringe is for sure, but they're lunatics. While I wouldn't go so far as to say the left controls the media, it's a fact that it slants left. Some outlets are way, way worse than others.

 

[lightsleeper23]

The mainstream right isn't rambling about death panels and birtherism, etc..... The lunatic fringe is for sure, but they're lunatics. While I wouldn't go so far as to say the left controls the media, it's a fact that it slants left. Some outlets are way, way worse than others.

There's a lot of mainstream conservatives talking about death panels and birtherism. Fox new was all over both of those, at least until Obama released his birth certificate. But you've still got members of congress talking birther nonsense. Donald Trump, who I think qualifies as a lunatic now but many others don't, is still going on about that and Obamas college records. He's very respected by the HEADS of the republican party! You've got the certifiably insane Ted Nugent invited to the state of the union speech! What's wrong with these people that they're showing so much respect to these lunatics and giving them press and credibility? If the mainstream republican party doesn't want to be associated with this nonsense they need to work on distancing themselves from the lunatics, not embracing them.

Look at Romney's campaign. He was the nominee for president, you can't get more mainstream than that. Then there was the guy talking about pregnancy from rape is something god intended to happen...does Romney distance himself from that guy? Does he so much as ignore him? No, he embraces the guy and endorses him! Yeah, that wasn't about Obama, but it goes to show the republican party has a serious issue with embracing its lunatic fringe. I'd say it's starting to take over.

 

[ItnStln511]

The problem is at the end of the day both parties are run by their fringe elements. There are candidates who come along who are in the middle, but they get no support because, culturally, people think they can only vote for one of the two parties. So one extreme or the other is always in power.

Like I said, I do not agree 100

Funny how those who get all of their talking points from Fox Fake News and right wing wacko radio and blogs like to call others the "low information voters".

As I have said previously, I do not get my news from Fox News.

If a station's 1%er owner doesn't want it aired, it doesn't get aired.

True!

Between Obama getting more and more people to live off the government and rampant voter fraud

No wonder obama got reelected!

rampant voter fraud that is never prosecuted, even when people openly admit to commiting fraud and voting multiple times, it is never prosecuted.

Why is this? It must be because they were democrat votes.

And we had hundreds of thousands of military members (who are hugely anti Obama) who never received their absentee ballots to vote while they were deployed.

I remember reading about that back in November. I believe that there were a lot of votes from Ohio which were

 

[Gmash]

Please, please nominate Rand Paul. He's as crazy as his daddy.

And is someone seriously trying to say Obama's re-election was due to voter fraud? Really?

The mainstream press is so scared of being accused of being liberal, they bend over backwards not to be.

 

[chrlswltrs]

Please, please nominate Rand Paul. He's as crazy as his daddy.

And is someone seriously trying to say Obama's re-election was due to voter fraud? Really?

The mainstream press is so scared of being accused of being liberal, they bend over backwards not to be.

We desperately need someone who is "crazy" enough to stand up for freedom and liberty instead of the current constant erosion of our freedom and growth of the government.

Yes, voter fraud, millions of people that vote for a living, and the military not being allowed to vote is the only reason Obama was elected.

If they weren't liberal they would be all over Obama for being guilty of dereliction of duty as Commander in Chief for Bengazi. They would be all over the government working hard to give education benefits to ILLEGAL aliens while at the same time stopping tuition assistance for the military. Obama spending millions for golf trips with Tiger Woods while canceling tours for citizens of OUR white house. Obama raising taxes on every working person in the country immediately after lying and saying no one but "the wealthy" would see any tax increases. I would keep going, but you obviously don't care about facts anyways....

 

[lightsleeper23]

We desperately need someone who is "crazy" enough to stand up for freedom and liberty instead of the current constant erosion of our freedom and growth of the government.

Yes, voter fraud, millions of people that vote for a living, and the military not being allowed to vote is the only reason Obama was elected.

If they weren't liberal they would be all over Obama for being guilty of dereliction of duty as Commander in Chief for Bengazi. They would be all over the government working hard to give education benefits to ILLEGAL aliens while at the same time stopping tuition assistance for the military. Obama spending millions for golf trips with Tiger Woods while canceling tours for citizens of OUR white house. Obama raising taxes on every working person in the country immediately after lying and saying no one but "the wealthy" would see any tax increases. I would keep going, but you obviously don't care about facts anyways....

Military not being allowed to vote huh? Please provide evidence for this. All the research I've done into this subject has brought forth nothing but a fake article from a satire news blog. There is no evidence whatsoever that this is true.

In fact, Republicans are the ones working hard in many states to suppress the vote. Changing voting laws to where it would be harder for minorities to vote. Shortening early voting days and hours. Things that tend to benefit the democratic party. Not to mention the gerrymandering of districts to make each one vastly republican. And these are things that are verifiable easily.

 

[sntaylor]

I really am interested in these aliens you keep mentioning...... Can an alien be illegal, not like they would have a passport if they are from another world!

Oh you mean immigrants.....maybe say that then, especially as I'm sure many of them will actually be refugees, who sought refuge legally....if someone is in the country illegally, then they are unable to gain benefits, these people are the ones likely working for a pittance in restaurants etc, keeping away from any kind of government scheme etc for fear of deportation!

 

[chrlswltrs]

I really am interested in these aliens you keep mentioning...... Can an alien be illegal, not like they would have a passport if they are from another world!

Oh you mean immigrants.....maybe say that then, especially as I'm sure many of them will actually be refugees, who sought refuge legally....if someone is in the country illegally, then they are unable to gain benefits, these people are the ones likely working for a pittance in restaurants etc, keeping away from any kind of government scheme etc for fear of deportation!

Illegal aliens are people from other countries that sneak into the country and then try to live here. The get jobs illegally, do not pay taxes, vote illegally, mooch off the system here by collecting benefits (yes the system is broken). There is a legal way to move here, but these are people that do not want to do things legally. Our system is so broken they actually receive more benefits (welfare, food stamps, education benefits, housing assistance, free medical, etc) by being here illegally than using the legal method of immigration.

I have absolutely nothing against people that go through the legal process to move here and work or become citizens. I have friends and co workers that have moved here from Iraq, Iran, and Mexico. They went through the proper process, legally got a job, and do the right thing.

It is the people that choose to bypass the legal system and mooch off our system, then vote illegally so they don't lose their benefits that hurt everyone. People in your country may not be able to receive anything if they are in the country illegally, but here they are rewarded for being here illegally.


Here is a very recent example of laws being passed to benefit ILLEGAL immigrants at the same time the same benefits are being cancelled for those that have earned them by serving in our military: www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/army-marine-corps-cancel-their-tuition-assistance-programs-but-illegal-aliens-to-receive-financial-aid/

 

[ItnStln511]

There are no 'death panels' in HC. That's just absurd nonsense. It's absolutely beyond comprehension that anyone can believe such utter inane garbage. Really: grow up.

Please see the (edited for length and content) quote from Bob Maxey. If you fail to see the items as

 

[ItnStln511]

Yes, voter fraud, millions of people that vote for a living, and the military not being allowed to vote is the only reason Obama was elected.

That probably played a large hand in it. I believe that the US needs to reform their voting practice, as the current one is too broken.

If they weren't liberal they would be all over Obama for being guilty of dereliction of duty as Commander in Chief for Bengazi. They would be all over the government working hard to give education benefits to ILLEGAL aliens while at the same time stopping tuition assistance for the military. Obama spending millions for golf trips with Tiger Woods while canceling tours for citizens of OUR white house. Obama raising taxes on every working person in the country immediately after lying and saying no one but "the wealthy" would see any tax increases. I would keep going, but you obviously don't care about facts anyways....

If only obama were a Republican, then he would have been impeached!

Military not being allowed to vote huh? Please provide evidence for this.

I will, once I find the link. The article I read was about a specific state. While they were allowed to vote, their ballots were all

 

[chrlswltrs]

That probably played a large hand in it. I believe that the US needs to reform their voting practice, as the current one is too broken.

If only obama were a Republican, then he would have been impeached!


I will, once I find the link. The article I read was about a specific state. While they were allowed to vote, their ballots were all “lost.”

You mean like requiring a photo ID to vote? What is wrong with this?


Some people don’t understand the definition of “illegal,” I guess.

Isn’t that a joke! You would think that INS would be using those “advantages” to find and deport those who are here illegally.

And please learn to speak English! I was in WalMart buying some motor oil last week. The cashier spoke no English at all.

Do you honestly think that any other country would put up with illegals voting?

They have better benefits than I do!

Please don’t get me started on the way that veterans are being treated…I could go on and on.

If an ID were required people that are here illegally wouldn't be able to vote illegally so that they could keep getting their benefits. That is why Democrats jump up and cry foul every time common sense voting reforms are tried to pass. They need those illegal votes to get elected because they don't quite have enough people who vote for a living to get elected. Give it a few more years though... Then they might allow voting reform when they have enough professional voters.

Actually in other countries, like Mexico, illegal immigrants are arrested, jailed, and deported after serving several years in jail, not rewarded for breaking the law.

INS can't arrest people just for being here illegally. Apparently those laws don't matter. They can't arrest anyone until they commit other crimes. Then they only stay in jail until the Obama administration lets them out because of "budget cuts".

It is SICKENING that there are more out of work and homeless veterans than ILLEGAL aliens.

 

[Gmash]

We desperately need someone who is "crazy" enough to stand up for freedom and liberty instead of the current constant erosion of our freedom and growth of the government.

Yes, voter fraud, millions of people that vote for a living, and the military not being allowed to vote is the only reason Obama was elected.

If they weren't liberal they would be all over Obama for being guilty of dereliction of duty as Commander in Chief for Bengazi. They would be all over the government working hard to give education benefits to ILLEGAL aliens while at the same time stopping tuition assistance for the military. Obama spending millions for golf trips with Tiger Woods while canceling tours for citizens of OUR white house. Obama raising taxes on every working person in the country immediately after lying and saying no one but "the wealthy" would see any tax increases. I would keep going, but you obviously don't care about facts anyways....

Facts? I'm still waiting to hear some. All I see are some lame innuendos that reek of grasping at straws.

Bengazi is a non story that was over reported if anything. You guys can keep trying to make a scandal out of it, but there's nothing there. The whole embassy was a CIA cover operation, of course they are going to be vague with information. What's the scandal? That they asked for a couple more security guys and didn't get them? Do you really think that's the kind of decision that comes across the desk of the President of the United States. Clinging to this story is desperation.

Rand Paul, the guy spent 13 hours grandstanding about "Obama is going to send a Hellfire missile down your chimney for that unpaid parking ticket you forgot about". Even John McCain told him to stfu and basically called him a nutjob.

If you really think Obama stole the election through voter fraud, you have truly jumped the shark, and I really can't comment on such a crazy notion. Even crybaby Romney isn't trying to claim that one.

Growth of the government? Public sector jobs are way down. All of the job creation has been in the private sector. (one reason unemployment has been slow to come down.)

The golf thing really isn't worth commenting about, but Bush spent way more time on vacation and playing golf than Obama has. (fact. easy to check.)

 

[lightsleeper23]

Democrats don't have enough voters to win without "illegal aliens"? That's just flat out not true. It is estimated that there are anywhere from 10s of thousand, or even hundreds of thousand undocumented immigrants on the voter rolls. Now, even if every one casted a vote and it was counted, Obama won by over 5 million votes. He Won. Get over it and stop crying foul. This is not the case of Bush in 2000, where people cried foul rightfully. Its a verifiable fact, many more people voted for Obama than Romney. Get. Over. It. Elect a better candidate next time.

Oh, not to mention, not ALL undocumented immigrants are democrats. There are many Latin Americans that are conservative. how many of those illegal votes are going for republicans?

 

[Gmash]

Also, it's not true that illegals don't pay taxes. Some work "under the table", but most still have taxes withheld, without having the rights to claim social security and unemployment. (though they do get use of our schools and emergency rooms, so I'm not that upset for them.) They also pay sales taxes, gas tax, etc.

 

[chrlswltrs]

Also, it's not true that illegals don't pay taxes. Some work "under the table", but most still have taxes withheld, without having the rights to claim social security and unemployment. (though they do get use of our schools and emergency rooms, so I'm not that upset for them.) They also pay sales taxes, gas tax, etc.

Please explain. When someone who is legally allowed to work in this country is hired they fill out a W-4 form for the IRS. This is so that taxes can be withheld. Illegal aliens do not have a SSN or Tax ID number, so they can not complete a W-4, so please explain how they pay income tax.

Yes, they have to pay sales tax which is a state tax. They do not pay federal taxes even though they mooch education, healthcare, welfare, food stamps, and housing benefits (some state some federal benefits)

 

[Gmash]

Please explain. When someone who is legally allowed to work in this country is hired they fill out a W-4 form for the IRS. This is so that taxes can be withheld. Illegal aliens do not have a SSN or Tax ID number, so they can not complete a W-4, so please explain how they pay income tax.

Yes, they have to pay sales tax which is a state tax. They do not pay federal taxes even though they mooch education, healthcare, welfare, food stamps, and housing benefits (some state some federal benefits)

It might be surprising, but we have a huge amount of illegal Mexicans here in Ohio, and the city I live in its actually spending money to welcome more. Genius, right? There were some Mexican grocery stores that got busted for selling fake documents and social security numbers they could use for employment. I assume many were stolen numbers. I know that my brother works at a place where half of the employees can't speak English, and I know they are having taxes taken out. Honestly, I don't know all of the details on how they get away with it, but I know all of these huge factories are not just paying people under the table.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

To me gun ownership should be, and with the fact criminals and mental health patients are not legally allowed them, is a privilege, while universal health care should be the right people are fighting for!

It gets down to what you think the relationship should be between government and the governed.

Over there in the UK, you are subjects. Here in the U.S. we are citizens.

You're essentially slaves to your government. You let your government tell you what to do, and you do it; and you expect your government to take care of you.

Here, in the U.S., government exists to serve us, the people, and not the other way around, as over there in the UK; and we expect to be able to take care of ourselves without relying on our nanny-state government too take care of us.


Really, this all gets down to the exact reason why, more than two centuries ago, my ancestors kicked your ancestors' asses out of our country. It seems that every so often, one of you brits feels a need to tell us how to run our country, and in so doing, reminds us why it is we kicked you out of our country in the first place.

 

[Thechidz]

it comes down to selfish republicans and our corrupt healthcare system that don't want to lose their gravy train