sammyz
LG Whiz Kid
Correct.
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Correct.
Damn how did you get it to 347 I'm at 182 and deleted all apps that I could
A good way to increase RAM is Developer Options-Limit Background Processes- Change from Standard Limit default to 4 background processes.
You will notice an increase of 40 to 100 Meg of free RAM.
I suspect that software update version 77010d especially has more background processes running than 77010c and uses more RAM and battery.
plasticarmyman
Android Expert
this entire thread is pointless people...
i have mentioned this already above...
but here ya go, a verified source directly FROM GOOGLE
Managing how apps use memory - Android OS Help
but if you still want to be ignorant and free up RAM for no reason
http://www.tested.com/tech/android/923-android-task-killers-are-deadheres-what-you-should-be-doing/
there ya go
but honestly, ask yourselves...
Why do you want to free up RAM?....so it is available for other applications?...well...if you're using the phone...the RAM is going to be used...and then, when you use an app that needs the RAM, it will use the RAM it needs and Force Close any other background apps that are using the RAM that it needs...
i dunno how to explain it any better...i do not understand the fascination with wanting to have a whole bunch of free RAM, you don't want your RAM to be free, you want it to be used...if you don't use it then why the crap did you get a phone with that much RAM?
i have mentioned this already above...
but here ya go, a verified source directly FROM GOOGLE
Managing how apps use memory - Android OS Help
but if you still want to be ignorant and free up RAM for no reason
http://www.tested.com/tech/android/923-android-task-killers-are-deadheres-what-you-should-be-doing/
there ya go
but honestly, ask yourselves...
Why do you want to free up RAM?....so it is available for other applications?...well...if you're using the phone...the RAM is going to be used...and then, when you use an app that needs the RAM, it will use the RAM it needs and Force Close any other background apps that are using the RAM that it needs...
i dunno how to explain it any better...i do not understand the fascination with wanting to have a whole bunch of free RAM, you don't want your RAM to be free, you want it to be used...if you don't use it then why the crap did you get a phone with that much RAM?
KA24DERACER
Well-Known Member
I love how people keep using the "free RAM is wasted RAM" mentality. It is TOTALLY untrue.
Now yes, keeping system apps and apps that run all the time in the RAM does make the phone faster, because the phone would be very slow if everything you did (like opening the Dialer or your Contacts) had to be fetched from the internal SD card then loaded into RAM and then executed. But that does not mean that having all the available RAM paged all the time is a good thing. If all your RAM WAS taken up all the time, then EVERY single time you opened anything that wasnt in the RAM already, the phone would have to call the OOM process, select enough processes to free that amount of RAM up, and then kill them all. This would make everything that wasnt kept in RAM constantly extremely slow to load. And not only this, but anytime a program that was even in RAM already needed additional memory the same thing would have to happen, causing hangups and stuttering. Now Im not saying that you need 500Mb of free RAM all the time, but having a good chunk of free RAM available (I like 300-350Mb with all my system and necessary processes running but anywhere between 200-300 would be good) means that you can load up even a couple of resource intensive programs and not have to worry about the system running out of RAM in the middle of it.
I also love how people keep badmouthing Task Killers. Now it is true that if you use an automated task killer and you dont have apps that auto-start (like Maps for example) on an exclude list, you are doing more harm than good. BUT, if all you use them for is killing stray applications after you are done using them (I use them to kill my games and things like that so they dont stay running), then they CAN help save battery and keep your RAM usage to a minimum. There is no reason why the game I played on my lunch hour to stay running all day long.
The best thing to do is use apps (I like Rom Toolbox Pro for most of this, its a cheap, very well made app that combines like 20 paid apps into one, its a must for any rooted user) to limit things that auto-start (like youtube and others), freeze and/or uninstall bloatware (ESPECIALLY the bloatware that auto-starts and runs constantly, like MyMetro, Metro WiFi, email clients you dont use and such), and optimize your system settings. After all that, play around with the OOM settings until you are satisfied with your performance, figure out how much RAM usage it takes before your phone starts to lag and customize your OOM settings around that number.
Now yes, keeping system apps and apps that run all the time in the RAM does make the phone faster, because the phone would be very slow if everything you did (like opening the Dialer or your Contacts) had to be fetched from the internal SD card then loaded into RAM and then executed. But that does not mean that having all the available RAM paged all the time is a good thing. If all your RAM WAS taken up all the time, then EVERY single time you opened anything that wasnt in the RAM already, the phone would have to call the OOM process, select enough processes to free that amount of RAM up, and then kill them all. This would make everything that wasnt kept in RAM constantly extremely slow to load. And not only this, but anytime a program that was even in RAM already needed additional memory the same thing would have to happen, causing hangups and stuttering. Now Im not saying that you need 500Mb of free RAM all the time, but having a good chunk of free RAM available (I like 300-350Mb with all my system and necessary processes running but anywhere between 200-300 would be good) means that you can load up even a couple of resource intensive programs and not have to worry about the system running out of RAM in the middle of it.
I also love how people keep badmouthing Task Killers. Now it is true that if you use an automated task killer and you dont have apps that auto-start (like Maps for example) on an exclude list, you are doing more harm than good. BUT, if all you use them for is killing stray applications after you are done using them (I use them to kill my games and things like that so they dont stay running), then they CAN help save battery and keep your RAM usage to a minimum. There is no reason why the game I played on my lunch hour to stay running all day long.
The best thing to do is use apps (I like Rom Toolbox Pro for most of this, its a cheap, very well made app that combines like 20 paid apps into one, its a must for any rooted user) to limit things that auto-start (like youtube and others), freeze and/or uninstall bloatware (ESPECIALLY the bloatware that auto-starts and runs constantly, like MyMetro, Metro WiFi, email clients you dont use and such), and optimize your system settings. After all that, play around with the OOM settings until you are satisfied with your performance, figure out how much RAM usage it takes before your phone starts to lag and customize your OOM settings around that number.
Okay- I understand that RAM is less important than many think in an Android Device.
But lets talk about Apps.
I just restarted my unrooted Motion and there are 10 Apps running,
and 19 ( ! ) cached Apps running.
So are there some good ways to limit all these
cached processes (like Google Maps running just because I had "location" on and something called "social +" etc.
1) Is a cached App an App running in background ?
and
2) Are these cached Apps especially unnecessary ones wasting battery and slowing Internet Performance down somewhat?
I sometimes limit background processes to 4 but this reverts back 'Standard Limit' on restart-is this intentional or a Software error ?
So generally what do you guys think about background Apps and efficiency etc.
AND -how to tell which are essential and which are not?
Also- you mentioned clearing the RAM cache once a week-
is there a way to do this on a Stock Motion or do you recommend ann App for this?
Thanks.
But lets talk about Apps.
I just restarted my unrooted Motion and there are 10 Apps running,
and 19 ( ! ) cached Apps running.
So are there some good ways to limit all these
cached processes (like Google Maps running just because I had "location" on and something called "social +" etc.
1) Is a cached App an App running in background ?
and
2) Are these cached Apps especially unnecessary ones wasting battery and slowing Internet Performance down somewhat?
I sometimes limit background processes to 4 but this reverts back 'Standard Limit' on restart-is this intentional or a Software error ?
So generally what do you guys think about background Apps and efficiency etc.
AND -how to tell which are essential and which are not?
Also- you mentioned clearing the RAM cache once a week-
is there a way to do this on a Stock Motion or do you recommend ann App for this?
Thanks.
plasticarmyman
Android Expert
i'm sorry, but you are uneducated in how Android works. Task killers and Ram optimizers have been badmouthed by the exact people who develop and design Android. I don't care what your personal experiences are, it is solid proven fact that Task Killers are outdated if you have anything 2.2+ and RAM optimizers are absolutely pointless if you follow many of the simple guides out there on how to configure your OOM settings. Also, ICS will automatically kill background processes....just because a process shows up in Recent Apps doesn't mean it is running in the background.
Free RAM is indeed not wasted RAM, but trying to keep a constant amount free is indeed going to waste that RAM and have your phone only thinking it has 500MB instead of 1GB.
You make valid points, which are more valid when using an actual computer rather than an Android phone, but sorry...you need to read up some more.
sammyz
LG Whiz Kid
+1
Stop trying to free RAM. It's a thing of the past. It will never be needed on any PC/phone ever again. RAM "freerers" are outdated due to newer software that knows how to use the ram better. By "freeing" ram, the ram is not used by anything at all. This means ram is not being used, thus wasted RAM. When you leave the RAM "full", all the ram is being used and if another app needs ram, then an app not currently being used will be shut down so the new opened app can replace the "blocks" of ram that was used.
Stop trying to free RAM. It's a thing of the past. It will never be needed on any PC/phone ever again. RAM "freerers" are outdated due to newer software that knows how to use the ram better. By "freeing" ram, the ram is not used by anything at all. This means ram is not being used, thus wasted RAM. When you leave the RAM "full", all the ram is being used and if another app needs ram, then an app not currently being used will be shut down so the new opened app can replace the "blocks" of ram that was used.
KA24DERACER
Well-Known Member
Im wasnt trying to insult you or your advice or anything. And Im not advocating having an auto task killer kill everything every ten minutes. But the fact is, EVERY phone Ive ever used ran better when there was at least a certain amount of RAM free. it was different for every phone but with all of them there was a point at which the phone would lag incredibly. Take my girlfriends Samsung Infuse. If you tried to just run Veggie Samurai (at idle there was usually about 80-120Mb of RAM free), it would lag horribly, but if you used the system included memory clearer before hand (which would make it about 250Mb of RAM free), it ran beautifully. Even on my motion, Ive noticed that games run ALOT better when I have at least 200+ Mb of RAM free before I run them.
Theres two things you have to remember about this issue that people never consider or mention when talking about task killers or keeping RAM free through managing running apps. One is that its a very resource intensive action calling up the OOM process, the system has to go through EVERY running service and choose the right ones to kill based on where the service is located on the process hierarchy list and how much RAM the service is using. This can cause lots of lag both when starting up an app, and in the middle of the app if it starts to need more ram than is available.
Another thing is that even if it is a background app or service, any app that is running in the background is going to take up SOME CPU power. It might not be alot (although for Maps and Swype and some others it can be quite a bit even if they are not being actively used) and on newer phones with powerful dual cores it might not be as important, but its still something.
Again Im not advocating setting an auto task killer to kill everything on the phone every ten minutes, but I still believe (and my experiences have shown me) that smart use of a task killer, along with stopping many apps that auto-start can greatly increase the smoothness of an android phone.
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Nash Enders
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I've had the same experience here. I've read all about how Android 2.2+ doesn't need task killers, and maybe on a theoretical level it doesn't. However, my actual experience is that task killers have made my devices run smoother and my battery last longer. Some people don't believe me when I've said that, but I've posted screenshots of my battery discharge durations.
I don't have the task killer constantly running and auto-killing. But I will use a one-click manual kill and it's helped a lot. I still have my Optimus M and it still runs like brand new.
On my Motion the new software update 77010d uses more RAM than 77010c.
The RAM itself may not be significant itself but there seem to be more Apps and
background Apps running which gradually build up and
use more battery and slightly slow load times.
There's some slop and inefficiency compared tp 77010c .
Hopefully 77010e when it is released will address this but I haven't had much luck with LG , Customer Service - they don't know who writes the software
The RAM itself may not be significant itself but there seem to be more Apps and
background Apps running which gradually build up and
use more battery and slightly slow load times.
There's some slop and inefficiency compared tp 77010c .
Hopefully 77010e when it is released will address this but I haven't had much luck with LG , Customer Service - they don't know who writes the software
Nintendo1889
Android Enthusiast
I want the phone to always be responsive. I just rooted mine, and i haven't done any oom edits. I want words with friends to run once a day (rather than ALL THE FREAKING TIME ZYNGA!). joyn I'll run on demand (why is it a cached background app even though I disabled its service and WiFi calling?). Ill enable it when im traveling and there's no coverage), yet it's always a cached background app. I don't want avg running all the time, just scan once a day and when I install apps (it doesn't seem to run all the time, except on startup). Why is slacker radio always running? Is it safe to freeze software update or does google play use it?
The CPU tweak of rom toolbox does seem to give a performance boost.
PlayfulGod
Extreme Android User
If you are having to free up ram on any newer device something is horrible wrong with the device or what you have on it one. 
And the only need for a AV on a mobile device is if you're installing pirated or untrusted apps from places other than amazon and the Play Store.
And the only need for a AV on a mobile device is if you're installing pirated or untrusted apps from places other than amazon and the Play Store.