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Because Psychological studies support that. Just like psychological studies show people who are sexually abused are more likely to abuse.

If you can't accept the truth, fine, but it's not my problem.

The truth? A truth is something that can not be refuted, like a fact. What psychological studies are you looking at that support that abusing a heterosexual person will sometimes make them into homosexuals? lol It's amazing how many people say that there is supportive evidence, especially of something like this, but provide nothing to show for it. At least I gave supportive evidence of the majority of the military in favor of or don't care about getting rid of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.

That is something that I've NEVER heard of before... as I'm sure with 99.9% of the other population.

It kind of reminds me of those studies that gay people are unfit to raise children because you know... straight couples do a whole hell of a lot better. :) Ask Hitler.

But obviously since you know the meaning of life, you must know everything else. I must say that those little kiddies are going to be very disappointed and confused when they're only meant to reproduce. Saving lives? Nope. Helping others in need? Nope. Doing what you can to sustain the next generation? Nope. Reproduction? Yep. That's it.
 
I didn't read to verify, but here's just some quick links that show up on google regarding the subject. When I have more time I'll dig through and post a more in-depth response.

Sexual Abuse: A Major Cause Of Homosexuality?

Research has shown that traumatic stress, including stress caused by sexual abuse, causes notable changes in brain functioning and development.[61][62] Various studies have suggested that severe child sexual abuse may have a deleterious effect on brain development. Ito et al. (1998) found "reversed hemispheric asymmetry and greater left hemisphere coherence in abused subjects;"[63] Teicher et al. (1993) found that an increased likelihood of "ictal temporal lobe epilepsy-like symptoms" in abused subjects;[64] Anderson et al. (2002) recorded abnormal transverse relaxation time in the cerebellar vermis of adults sexually abused in childhood;[65] Teicher et al. (1993) found that child sexual abuse was associated with a reduced corpus callosum area; various studies have found an association of reduced volume of the left hippocampus with child sexual abuse;[66] and Ito et al. (1993) found increased electrophysiological abnormalities in sexually abused children.[67]
Some studies indicate that sexual or physical abuse in children can lead to the overexcitation of an undeveloped limbic system.[66] Teicher et al. (1993)[64] used the "Limbic System Checklist-33" to measure ictal temporal lobe epilepsy-like symptoms in 253 adults. Reports of child sexual abuse were associated with a 49% increase to LSCL-33 scores, 11% higher than the associated increase of self-reported physical abuse. Reports of both physical and sexual abuse were associated with a 113% increase. Male and female victims were similarly affected.[64][68]
Navalta et al. (2006) found that the self-reported math Scholastic Aptitude Test scores of their sample of women with a history of repeated child sexual abuse were significantly lower than the self-reported math SAT scores of their non-abused sample. Because the abused subjects verbal SAT scores were high, they hypothesized that the low math SAT scores could "stem from a defect in hemispheric integration." They also found a strong association between short term memory impairments for all categories tested (verbal, visual, and global) and the duration of the abuse.[69]

Child sexual abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

William C. Holmes, MD, MSCE, Assistant Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, and Gail B. Slap, MD, Associate Chair of Pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, in their Dec. 2, 1998 Journal of the American Medical Association article "Sexual Abuse of Boys," stated:
"Sexual abuse of boys appears to be common, underreported, underrecognized, and undertreated...

Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused. No longitudinal studies examined the causal relationship between abuse and gender role or sexual orientation, however. Gender role nonconformity and gay or bisexual identity may precede abuse."

Can childhood sexual abuse by a person of the same sex cause homosexuality? - Born Gay - ProCon.org

As you can see from these articles, people are on both sides here, so all in all, I can say it's inconclusive, to a point. I do however lean towards the part of a possible cause, as sexual trama does cause brain damage in studies, which may or may not include homosexuality.

And yes, the meaning of life is reproduction. That's it. The yearning for more is just something we as humans need(hence the creation of religions in general), as we fear death, and don't want to believe death is really the end. I mean, if this wasn't the case, do ants, dogs, cats, lions, tigers, and bears (oh my!) all ponder the meaning of their lives? Human emotions are confusing, and downright illogical. One you factor them out of the equation, the answer is really simple, really.

So is there anything conclusive to support my argument? No. Absolutely not. It's a theory, and an evolving one at that. But it is based purely on logic, and I invite anyone to try and find flaw in my argument. Any kind of emotional response is pretty much invalidated, because emotions which drive us, and make us human, also blind us to the obvious truths out there.

All that being said, please note I personally don't have any hate, dislike, or hold anything against homosexuals. I don't hold things against other people who are different, being if they are a different color, sexual preference, ethnicity, or handicapped, it is not something they choose for themselves, and it is just who they are. And we all need to try harder to push acceptance and not just mere tolerance. Despite my beliefs on the causes of homosexuality, the meaning of life, etc, you should see me as an ally and not a foe, as my arguments are once again, based on logical thinking without the barriers of emotion to get in my process of thinking.
 
You can say those quoted remarks are inconclusive, and I agree; they most certainly are inconclusive, and yet your previous postings on the matter, referring to "studies," are quite conclusive.

You chose, for some reason, to derive a conclusion from data you now say is not conclusive.
 
You can say those quoted remarks are inconclusive, and I agree; they most certainly are inconclusive, and yet your previous postings on the matter, referring to "studies," are quite conclusive.

You chose, for some reason, to derive a conclusion from data you now say is not conclusive.

When dealing with all things emotional and psychological, nothing is 100% conclusive. You can only make informed conclusions. As with everything in these regards, there will always be arguments in favor of both sides.
 
You should be VERY VERY careful where you get your "research".

The first article comes from a website called H.O.M.E. (Heterosexuals Organized for a Moral Environment). If you can't see what's wrong there, then I don't know how to help you with that. But perhaps... you should read their other wonderfully unbiased articles! For example... they're telling parents to tell their "confused child" that homosexuality is wrong and they should not give into it and it is immoral. Also in another article, they're saying that Freemasons are using their influence to impose pro-homosexual "values" to the public.

They also have another article that is titled "The Cast Against Homosexual Activity".

The second one from Wikipedia has absolutely no mention of homosexuality.

The third one has no pro-claim that is from a reputable scientific organization. The pros are coming from Christian groups and again... another one was from H.O.M.E.

Perhaps you should try to find reputable sources to base your research off of in scientific journals. I wish the general public knew how to "research" the same way that "scientists" and students in a scientific field know how. I've had years of experience in this area and have always been taught one thing from my professors... make sure that they are sources that even the board will prove as reputable, if you second guess it, throw it out.

I would recommend also to not use unpublished essays that are only found from a website that isn't peer reviewed. My board of scientists will easily dismiss it and turn you away.
 
An informed conclusion is one with proof, Iowa.

Meanwhile, let us look at something lurking in the background of all of this about abuse, especially of young boys by men:

Male kids who seem a bit less macho, aggressive and interested in girls than their peers, are more likely to be abused by older males in their families as well as the outside world.

Many young boys who discover their homosexuality later in life, will tell us about those times when they tried to learn to mimic the "other boys" and failed, or it was just too late because of rumors, and they were repeatedly beaten up or even raped.

And of course, when it comes to abuse and "gay bashing," some learned their lesson early on and went back into the closet thoroughly, even to the point of denying their gayness to themselves as well as the outside world.

But when a study comes along and polls gay men who were abused as boys, it does not ask the abusers why they jumped on the kid.

Well, the population of homosexuals in the study are much more likely to have been gay, or "looked that way" to a homophobic relative or school mate, in the first place, so obviously it will appear as a likelihood of abuse = gay in a cold, shallow study such as the ones you cite.
 
As you can see from these articles, people are on both sides here, so all in all, I can say it's inconclusive, to a point. I do however lean towards the part of a possible cause, as sexual trama does cause brain damage in studies, which may or may not include homosexuality.

What I will say about this is that neither I nor my girlfriend have ever suffered any type of physical or sexual abuse. We didn't go through any sort of psychological trauma either. From what I have read here, neither have any of the other gay members of this site.

I view most of the studies like this as little more than survey taking. I can take as many surveys as you like to prove that the overwhelming majority of people in this country don't eat meat of any kind. Depending on where I gather my information, how many participants there are, what questions I ask and how many different ways I want to manipulate my statistical data I could prove that the entire US has gone vegetarian. We all know it to be false simply by looking at the drive through of a McDonald's, but I could make it look really good on paper for you. I could also do one about strippers with daddy issues and college degrees that would be just as inaccurate.

I can't argue that abuse doesn't do anything to the brain because that is true, but I can argue that it doesn't "make" someone gay. Maybe gay people are more likely to be abused or maybe they are more open to talking about it.
 
I must say you guys sure know how to destroy even the most gayest of threads here in Android Forums. Sheesh. How the hell did it go from a happy go lucky gay pride parade with a google gay android t-shirt to above all else a psychological discussion involving homosexual, child abuse, among other things.

I want this to get back on track folks. make another separate discussion if you guys feel like it to discuss those points, but don't ruin this thread. I will start deleting posts if I have to.

As for the original topic, OTD is contacting Ericka to see if she has any leads on those shirts, in the mean time, I re-designed the original image to make it more clearer as well as create a female version of it also for the ladies. lol


Clearer version 1 (Males with flag)

Clearer version 2 (Males with banner)

New female version with flag

New female version with banner

TS out
 
What I will say about this is that neither I nor my girlfriend have ever suffered any type of physical or sexual abuse. We didn't go through any sort of psychological trauma either. From what I have read here, neither have any of the other gay members of this site.

I view most of the studies like this as little more than survey taking. I can take as many surveys as you like to prove that the overwhelming majority of people in this country don't eat meat of any kind. Depending on where I gather my information, how many participants there are, what questions I ask and how many different ways I want to manipulate my statistical data I could prove that the entire US has gone vegetarian. We all know it to be false simply by looking at the drive through of a McDonald's, but I could make it look really good on paper for you. I could also do one about strippers with daddy issues and college degrees that would be just as inaccurate.

I can't argue that abuse doesn't do anything to the brain because that is true, but I can argue that it doesn't "make" someone gay. Maybe gay people are more likely to be abused or maybe they are more open to talking about it.

Whoa, I think your getting what I'm saying wrong. I never said it was a leading cause of homosexuality, (which I think is something completely different, to be honest.) I just believe child abuse of the sexual nature from homosexuals, can lead to homosexuality, just like heterosexual child abuse can lead to the abused becoming an abuser. (More likely)

You should be VERY VERY careful where you get your "research".

The first article comes from a website called H.O.M.E. (Heterosexuals Organized for a Moral Environment). If you can't see what's wrong there, then I don't know how to help you with that. But perhaps... you should read their other wonderfully unbiased articles! For example... they're telling parents to tell their "confused child" that homosexuality is wrong and they should not give into it and it is immoral. Also in another article, they're saying that Freemasons are using their influence to impose pro-homosexual "values" to the public.

They also have another article that is titled "The Cast Against Homosexual Activity".

The second one from Wikipedia has absolutely no mention of homosexuality.

The third one has no pro-claim that is from a reputable scientific organization. The pros are coming from Christian groups and again... another one was from H.O.M.E.

Like I said, I really didn't read them thoroughly.

An informed conclusion is one with proof, Iowa.

I'm inclined to disagree. An informed conclusion would be closer to an educated guess.

One with substantial proof would be a finite conclusion =D. Semantics, I know. Just another thing we look at differently.
 
Whoa, I think your getting what I'm saying wrong. I never said it was a leading cause of homosexuality, (which I think is something completely different, to be honest.) I just believe child abuse of the sexual nature from homosexuals, can lead to homosexuality, just like heterosexual child abuse can lead to the abused becoming an abuser. (More likely)

Are you comparing that sexual abuse from a homosexual leads to homosexuality and that sexual abuse from a heterosexual just leads to being an abuser? Why isn't that sexual abuse from a homosexual will lead that person to have a greater chance of being an abuser? Is there any evidence that sexual abuse from a heterosexual will lead to the child being an abuser of heterosexual people simply because his or her abuser was heterosexual?
 
Are you comparing that sexual abuse from a homosexual leads to homosexuality and that sexual abuse from a heterosexual just leads to being an abuser? Why isn't that sexual abuse from a homosexual will lead that person to have a greater chance of being an abuser? Is there any evidence that sexual abuse from a heterosexual will lead to the child being an abuser of heterosexual people simply because his or her abuser was heterosexual?

Ugh, your taking it the wrong way too! I think any abused have a higher chance of becoming an abuser.
 
Whoa, I think your getting what I'm saying wrong. I never said it was a leading cause of homosexuality, (which I think is something completely different, to be honest.) I just believe child abuse of the sexual nature from homosexuals, can lead to homosexuality, just like heterosexual child abuse can lead to the abused becoming an abuser. (More likely)

Yeah, I was getting that from the links you posted and not what you were saying. I agree with Vihzel, you need to be much more careful about where you get your information. H.O.M.E. is a pretty messed up organization and I feel bad for anyone that ends up getting involved with them.

I must say you guys sure know how to destroy even the most gayest of threads here in Android Forums. Sheesh. How the hell did it go from a happy go lucky gay pride parade with a google gay android t-shirt to above all else a psychological discussion involving homosexual, child abuse, among other things.

I want this to get back on track folks. make another separate discussion if you guys feel like it to discuss those points, but don't ruin this thread. I will start deleting posts if I have to.

As for the original topic, OTD is contacting Ericka to see if she has any leads on those shirts, in the mean time, I re-designed the original image to make it more clearer as well as create a female version of it also for the ladies. lol


Clearer version 1 (Males with flag)

Clearer version 2 (Males with banner)

New female version with flag

New female version with banner

TS out

I agree 100% TS. No need for any other negativity in this thread. The topic has gay in the title and the discussion should remain gay as in happy. :D


Ooh! I like the girly droids. They are so cute!

If the name for the droid is Andy or Mike (not sure if that was decided) what are the names of gay droids or the girl droids for that matter?

Andy and Mike

Andrea and Michelle?
 
Ugh, your taking it the wrong way too! I think any abused have a higher chance of becoming an abuser.

It's just that your parallelism was awkward.

Abuse by homosexual -> Higher chance of becoming homosexual
Abuse by heterosexual -> Higher chance of being an abuser

Shouldn't it be...

Abuse by homosexual -> Higher chance of becoming homosexual
Abuse by heterosexual -> Higher chance of becoming heterosexual

Again... it was just weird to read.
 
It's just that your parallelism was awkward.

Abuse by homosexual -> Higher chance of becoming homosexual
Abuse by heterosexual -> Higher chance of being an abuser

Shouldn't it be...

Abuse by homosexual -> Higher chance of becoming homosexual
Abuse by heterosexual -> Higher chance of becoming heterosexual

Again... it was just weird to read.

My apologies. I'm sort of rushing my posts.
 
I agree 100% TS. No need for any other negativity in this thread. The topic has gay in the title and the discussion should remain gay as in happy. :D


Ooh! I like the girly droids. They are so cute!

If the name for the droid is Andy or Mike (not sure if that was decided) what are the names of gay droids or the girl droids for that matter?

Andy and Mike

Andrea and Michelle?

Agreed. :D

I think it's Android Andy... so it would be Android Andrea, but that doesn't really sound nice. I like Android Ally for a girl.
 
At least times have changed dramatically since then.

Yes, but it's still not enough. While twospirits' story is tragic and horrible, it still happens. When I go into the Air Force and its found out that I am bisexual, I will still get kicked out. I did some research and the US military is still kicking out over 500 people DISHONORABLY per year.

Plus, a dishonorably discharge has got to be incredibly difficult to recover from when it comes to getting a job.
 
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